Another nut bar has his say on gun control

[pikergolf]

Don't read if you don't want to go crazy.
It's easier to read in the linked article.
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/opin...ion-in-canada/

Most Canadians are shocked to hear that Canada has the fourth highest level of gun violence amongst OECD nations. A revealing comparison is with Japan, which has an absolute ban on firearms. Japan reports an average of 0.005 firearm homicides per 100,000 people per year. Canada, by the same measure, averages 0.48, nearly 100 times that of Japan. The United States, at 3.65, is at almost 730 times the Japanese statistic.

The carnage of shootings in Toronto, Fredericton, Quebec City and Montreal’s Ahuntsic-Cartierville are painful examples of gun violence’s tragic effects. In the wake of these incidents, the common reaction is “thoughts and prayers.” Thoughts and prayers aren’t enough. Our objective must be to eradicate gun violence by addressing its primary cause: the ease of access to guns. We must criminalize possession of all firearms in Canada.

This is a justifiably pragmatic policy recommendation, not an overreaction. There are some clear exceptions: licensed hunters, gun clubs, sports shooters and law enforcement. Barring these, there is absolutely no justifiable reason for an individual to be carrying a firearm.

Toronto has already witnessed 50 per cent more shootings in 2018 than the whole of 2014.

Some incorrectly suggest that banning firearms will not reduce overall levels of violence. The sheer numbers of guns available enables these crimes to occur. Canada has the second-highest rate of gun possession in the developed world at 34.7 guns per-100-people, compared to the U.K.’s 5.03.

Attempts have been made to reduce gun violence through legislation. First there was the gun registry system, which the then Conservative government abolished in 2011. This year, Public Safety Minister Ralph Goodale has proposed Bill C-71, which extends background checks and requires vendor registries. Toronto Mayor John Tory has proposed a complete ban on handguns in the city. And last week the federal government announced it is dedicating $86-million over the next five years on measures to tackle gun violence. These proposals are constructive, but we need to be bold and go further.

The problem of illegal gun possession is compounded by the problem of illicit firearms trade from the U.S. In 2016, law enforcement confiscated more than 25,000 illegal firearms and out of which, 20,000 were non-restricted. These are weapons that do not need to be registered. A law-enforcement officer cannot just confiscate these firearms unless they were found through a specific investigation; there is no assumption of guilt. With a complete criminalization on possession, there would be. Current proposals do not address this problem and only burden the RCMP.

Criminalizing possession of all guns has not been seriously considered by our government for fear of political backlash from the electorate. However, according to a recent Ekos poll, 69 per cent of Canadians believe in a “strict ban” on guns in urban areas. Those supporting gun bans do not belong to one side of the political spectrum. 86 per cent of Liberal respondents, 56 per cent of Conservative respondents and 75 per cent of NDP respondents supported the ban.

To effectively criminalize the possession of all firearms, we at the Mosaic Institute have three recommendations:
Classify any gun not listed as Non-Restricted, Restricted or Prohibited as Restricted. Currently, any gun not listed is classified as Non-Restricted in the Canadian Criminal Code. This essentially legalizes undocumented firearm possessions. This should be added as an amendment to Bill C-71.
Creating a special buyback fund for firearms. Australia in 1996 instituted a buyback program through the National Firearms Agreement. This initiative bought over 650,000 firearms for approximately US$230-million, removing them permanently from circulation. There was a dramatic reduction in gun violence after the buyback scheme.
Ratification of the United Nation Firearms Protocol. Canada has signed but not ratified the protocol which seeks to control the illicit arms trade. Out of the 125 countries, only 10 have not ratified.
The shooter in Toronto’s Danforth neighbourhood this past summer used a gun which might have been sourced from the United States. This is indicative of a broader problem of illicit gun-flow from the U.S., which is not a party to the UN Protocol. And so less likely to prioritize mitigation of illicit gun trafficking.

There is the usual opposition from the small but vocal gun lobby, claiming that this is an “unnecessary response” to gun violence and that banning guns is unjustified “civil disarmament”. Criminalization of possession is civil disarmament, they argue, but amidst growing public concern, increasing fatalities and rampant trafficking, it is our moral imperative to push for criminalizing possession. Anything less would be a compromise on protecting lives, and that is unjustifiable.

[Bushrat]

Originally Posted by pikergolf

This initiative bought over 650,000 firearms for approximately US$230-million,

Equals $353 per gun if the average gun is worth $1000. What about optics, accessories, reloading equipment, shooting rests, safes, etc etc., that are useless without the gun.

[Jack Hardin]

Originally Posted by Bushrat

Equals $353 per gun if the average gun is worth $1000. What about optics, accessories, reloading equipment, shooting rests, safes, etc etc., that are useless without the gun.

Exactly!

[DiabeticKripple]

It’s pretty easy to figure out that if you ban guns, gun violence will drop.

Just like if you ban cars, car accidents will drop.

What the anti’s don’t understand is that the overall murder and violent crime rates actually go up when guns are banned. These people just move on to the next means, as seen in England with their knife and acid attacks

[Trochu]

Originally Posted by DiabeticKripple

It’s pretty easy to figure out that if you ban guns, gun violence will drop.

Just like if you ban cars, car accidents will drop.

What the anti’s don’t understand is that the overall murder and violent crime rates actually go up when guns are banned. These people just move on to the next means, as seen in England with their knife and acid attacks

I really don't understand why people are so fixated on "gun violence" as opposed to violence. It seems its a much greater crime if four people are shot as opposed to four people being knifed.

[Rastus]

Originally Posted by DiabeticKripple

It’s pretty easy to figure out that if you ban guns, gun violence will drop.

Just like if you ban cars, car accidents will drop.

The anti's use cars but they don't use guns, so if you want to protect something, you just ban it. DUH!!!
But there is more people killed by cars then by guns!!!!!
But what do I know.

[Twisted Canuck]

We need to ban fentanyl. It kills way more people than guns. Because that will work.

Another stupid article by handwringers.

The government can't 'buy back' any guns, it didn't possess or sell them in the first place. It's confiscation with an inadequate 'sorry about that cheque' paid to you with your own tax dollars. Stupid.

And guns don't commit violence, they are inanimate. People commit violence. The antis use words and semantics to spin the story. Just like the whole abortion debate. You aren't 'pro life' you are anti choice...and so forth.

The one thing they have dead wrong is the 'relatively small' and insignificant gun lobby. There are over 2 million licensed gun owners in Canada, that span all the official political parties for how they vote, and gun ownership is on the rise. Don't think the pols are unaware of it, and are concerned about backlash to ill conceived policy.

[Big Grey Wolf]

We need heavier locks on our gun safes, they seem to just jump out buy themselves and cause major gun crimes in cities. Bad Bad Gun!

[Big Sky]

Note: It may seem like I'm quoting Pikergolf, but I'm actually quoting his quoting. My comments are directed at the article.

Originally Posted by pikergolf

Criminalizing possession of all guns has not been seriously considered by our government..........

If you don't have a PAL/RPAL it is already illegal to possess firearms. Criminals do not care about PALs and other silly rules. The rules that lawful gun owners follow don't inhibit criminals one bit.

Originally Posted by pikergolf

The shooter in Toronto’s Danforth neighbourhood this past summer ........

....obtained his gun illegally. IIRC the gun was stolen in a B&E and was obtained from a gang source. I'm pretty sure that a gun ban would not have impeded him.

A crackdown on gangs would be beneficial.
Huge fines for using a firearm while committing a crime will help. (gotta sell your house to pay the fine.......sucks to be you.)
Stricter sentencing/longer jail terms for using a firearm while committing a crime will help.

[Big Sky]

Sounds like this guy was on the Danielle Smith show. Gonna give it a listen later today.

November 12 Criminalize Gun Ownership

https://globalnews.ca/calgary/program/danielle-smith

[KegRiver]

Originally Posted by Trochu

I really don't understand why people are so fixated on "gun violence" as opposed to violence. It seems its a much greater crime if four people are shot as opposed to four people being knifed.

Do you read newspapers, or watch TV news?

How did we wind up with a Nazi sympathizer running the country and then his drama teacher son in the same job ?

I don't much like Donald Trump but one thing he has right, the media are the enemy of democracy.

And people are lazy. They let the media decide what to think, when to think it and what to do about it.

[barsik]

how do the liberals, socialists, communists,and other dictatorships explain the very low firearm crime rate of Switzerland? asking for a friend.

[ReconWilly]

Originally Posted by KegRiver

Do you read newspapers, or watch TV news?

How did we wind up with a Nazi sympathizer running the country and then his drama teacher son in the same job ?

I don't much like Donald Trump but one thing he has right, the media are the enemy of democracy.

And people are lazy. They let the media decide what to think, when to think it and what to do about it.

Fact.

[bat119]

[Mavrick]

On a positive note, 5 people I encourage to get their gun license started to receive them last week, and 3 already bought firearms. Five more than the 2 million we had last week. I was surprised when I started getting people to try shooting how many always wanted to try and get involved in the sport, but didn’t have anyone to started them out. Let the anti’s write and do polls, we need to strengthen our numbers, at least that’s what I found.

[mountainman]

This Armenian/Canadian who works at the Mosaic Institute can pound sand. He can provide what ever stats he wants from the United Nations. But not being from Canada as well as living and working in downtown Toronto does not give him a true perspective of living across this great country. Hmm, criminalize the law abiding citizens, and take away their rights, but don't talk about how to tackle the vermin who terrorize city streets and neighborhoods with illegal guns. This sounds like liberal logic to me. As absurd as this sounds...it really concerns me. We can't give an inch to this lunatic and his fellow lefties. I certainly don't need this globalist telling me what to do, what I can own, where I can shoot, how to lock up my guns or how to live.

[HighlandHeart]

Originally Posted by Trochu

I really don't understand why people are so fixated on "gun violence" as opposed to violence. It seems its a much greater crime if four people are shot as opposed to four people being knifed.

If violence could be politicized as much as gun violence then people would be fixated on it too.

[ReconWilly]

Originally Posted by Trochu

I really don't understand why people are so fixated on "gun violence" as opposed to violence. It seems its a much greater crime if four people are shot as opposed to four people being knifed.

A militia armed with knife's is no serious opposition to a tyrannical government, guns in citizen's hand's are the only thing separating us from all out tyranny.

Once the citizen's guns are gone the rest of your private property and privacy are next.

[^v^Tinda wolf^v^]

Now they’re throwing in statistics from other country’s with totally different cultures as a plea, give me a break. This problem is fueled by drugs and money in my opinion. Canada needs to strengthen its borders and inspect the drug mules who walk through the airport daily a lot better.

Hypothetically speaking, what if the government banned all our guns and say an asteroid or Russia nuked the southern half of the states? Canada’s proud flag waving citizens will now be unarmed and over run in one month by pants dragging American honkeys with more guns and ammo than our government has on supply. I mean they can’t even keep enough pot in supply let alone enough government man power to keep millions of half burnt gun touting honkeys out.

Country’s need good people with guns.

[Twisted Canuck]

Originally Posted by ^v^Tinda wolf^v^

Now they’re throwing in statistics from other country’s with totally different cultures as a plea, give me a break. This problem is fueled by drugs and money in my opinion. Canada needs to strengthen its borders and inspect the drug mules who walk through the airport daily a lot better.

Hypothetically speaking, what if the government banned all our guns and say an asteroid or Russia nuked the southern half of the states? Canada’s proud flag waving citizens will now be unarmed and over run in one month by pants dragging American honkeys with more guns and ammo than our government has on supply. I mean they can’t even keep enough pot in supply let alone enough government man power to keep millions of half burnt gun touting honkeys out.

Country’s need good people with guns.

Is this a legit reply? It really doesn't come off as terribly sane, rational, probable, or dare I say, Sober...?

[^v^Tinda wolf^v^]

Originally Posted by Twisted Canuck

Is this a legit reply? It really doesn't come off as terribly sane, rational, probable, or dare I say, Sober...?

It’s not that far out of left field, Canada’s army isn't that big. Since when have you ever known me to be rational? I’m offended you were expecting me to be lol.

[Twisted Canuck]

Originally Posted by ^v^Tinda wolf^v^

It’s not that far out of left field, Canada’s army isn't that big. Since when have you ever known me to be rational? I’m offended you were expecting me to be lol.

Well the condition of the Canadian Forces may not suffice to repel an invasion...but the bit about nukes, asteroids, and pant dragging honkeys seemed a bit suspect.....

[jrowan]

Well this guy clearly doesn't know the existing laws. The classification system does not simply list firearms by name, carrying restricted and prohibited firearms in public is already prohibited via the transportation rules and most people do not walk around with an unloaded non restricted firearm since someone would definitely call the cops and you could loose your guns to some other non firearm specific charge.

[bat119]

Cukier's clucking again

As the federal Liberals mull a ban on handguns and assault weapons, the Coalition for Gun Control has launched a national campaign to put their feet to the fire.
Easy to start a national campaign when you have the publicly funded propaganda media on your side.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toron...8140200017915#

They seem to ignore the fact in the past two weeks a total of 45 handguns were seized at the border in just two incidents. How many got through?

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/hamil...rest-1.4904232

The other was 25 handguns found in a woman's gas tank by Ottawa

[BCSteel]

Originally Posted by Mavrick

On a positive note, 5 people I encourage to get their gun license started to receive them last week, and 3 already bought firearms. Five more than the 2 million we had last week. I was surprised when I started getting people to try shooting how many always wanted to try and get involved in the sport, but didn’t have anyone to started them out. Let the anti’s write and do polls, we need to strengthen our numbers, at least that’s what I found.

That's also what I try and do. Seems like one of the more effective ways to fight back.

[Reaver]

They want to use up Japan as an example of a "good society" because they have a such low gun violence. But what they don't say is that they have extremely low numbers of violence across the board, not just because they don't have the means to commit violence with a gun.

But if they want to compare violent crime stats based on ethnicity, we can dig those numbers up.

[32-40win]

A fella from Toronto is saying the Cineplex theaters there, are running CCGC ads before movies now, along with the CCGC putting up billboard ads. Mark Holland is pushing the CCGC line, and central storage.

[bat119]

Originally Posted by 32-40win

A fella from Toronto is saying the Cineplex theaters there, are running CCGC ads before movies now, along with the CCGC putting up billboard ads. Mark Holland is pushing the CCGC line, and central storage.

I know who Mark Holland is what does CCGC stand for?

[Twisted Canuck]

Originally Posted by bat119

I know who Mark Holland is what does CCGC stand for?

Canadian Coalition for Gun Control.

They could have just shortened it to SS.

[bat119]

Originally Posted by Twisted Canuck

Canadian Coalition for Gun Control.

They could have just shortened it to SS.

or Nutjobs r us