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11-20-2020, 09:22 PM
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Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: NW Calgary
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Cracked Epoxy / Frayed Thread on Ferrule
Just purchased a second hand rod (lightly used), and when I received it I noticed that there were exposed and frayed threads on the ferrule (about three strands). I don't know if it was the defect or the result of an impact, but when I contacted the previous owner he said he never noticed it, and wasn't sure if he ever hit the blank with a fly. Fortunately there is warranty available (Sage), but with return shipping and all it ends up being about $100. Would you keep and use it as is, or would you warranty it to avoid the problem getting worse, threads getting wet and weakening, etc?
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11-20-2020, 10:49 PM
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Join Date: Oct 2016
Location: edmonton
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I would just put a light coat of thread finish on top to seal it up again. Some local fly shops might have some, if not I always order my rod building supplies from racerocksfishing.
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11-22-2020, 05:30 AM
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Try and find a custom rod builder in Calgary. He will fix you right up. If you were in the Hat I would strip the offending thread and re wrap it and put a new finish on it for 20 bucks. Be aware your rod builder might not be able to match thread exactly.
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11-28-2020, 06:30 PM
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Google Pieroway rods local guy in Calgary builds and fixes them. He’ll fix it cheap and won’t notice the difference from sage
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11-29-2020, 05:19 PM
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Diy
DIY from a couple of Googles and you will notice a difference. But!!!, the fish won't!
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11-29-2020, 06:39 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Flymph
DIY from a couple of Googles and you will notice a difference. But!!!, the fish won't!
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Just be aware that the epoxy used in winding wraps is flexible and takes hours to dry and rod builders use rotisserie drying tools that rotate for hours to dry the epoxy in a nice finish. A hard fast drying finish will probably crack.
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11-29-2020, 09:02 PM
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Thanks everyone for your help, I ended up speaking with a local professional builder and determined the ferrule is most likely cracked, so I have sent it in to Sage for warranty.
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11-30-2020, 02:08 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by fishpro
Thanks everyone for your help, I ended up speaking with a local professional builder and determined the ferrule is most likely cracked, so I have sent it in to Sage for warranty.
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I need to send a rod back to Sage myself.... question for you - what kind of box / packaging did you send it back in? Any issues sending it across the border i.e. Customs, etc. Did you use FedEx?
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11-30-2020, 09:27 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Scott N
I need to send a rod back to Sage myself.... question for you - what kind of box / packaging did you send it back in? Any issues sending it across the border i.e. Customs, etc. Did you use FedEx?
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Any chance you could bring it back to the local retailer if that's where you bought it? Or did you buy it online? I had to have the reel seat of an older Sage replaced a few years ago and I just brought it back to The Fishin' Hole in Edmonton. They handled all the packaging and shipping. As I recall, it cost me $60. The Fishin' Hole rocks; been mentioned several times on this board. Just asking.
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11-30-2020, 10:28 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Gerald J
Any chance you could bring it back to the local retailer if that's where you bought it? Or did you buy it online? I had to have the reel seat of an older Sage replaced a few years ago and I just brought it back to The Fishin' Hole in Edmonton. They handled all the packaging and shipping. As I recall, it cost me $60. The Fishin' Hole rocks; been mentioned several times on this board. Just asking.
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My rod is a few years old and I bought it from a retailer that no longer carries Sage, so I wish it was The Fishin' Hole, they are great to deal with. I may have to fabricate a suitable box / container myself out of some cardboard.
I have a couple of older empty boxes lying around from firearms that would fit the rod sections, but that just seems like it's asking for trouble lol.
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11-30-2020, 12:59 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Scott N
I need to send a rod back to Sage myself.... question for you - what kind of box / packaging did you send it back in? Any issues sending it across the border i.e. Customs, etc. Did you use FedEx?
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How about shipping it in the rod tube?
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11-30-2020, 03:27 PM
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Originally Posted by flyrodfisher
How about shipping it in the rod tube?
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Unfortunately the Sage website states specifically not to use the rod tube. I'm guessing it's hard to keep from losing on Sage's end, but I could see shipping labels being an issue too.
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11-30-2020, 05:10 PM
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I sent it via Canada Post in a rigid narrow cardboard box, wrapped in towels in such a way that each piece was separated and padded. I declared on the customs form that it was for warranty / repair, so hopefully there'll be no duty charges upon arrival.
I had purchased it second hand, so sent it in myself. I did ask a local shop if there was any advantage having them send it in for me and they said it wouldn't make much difference either way.
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11-30-2020, 05:41 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Scott N
Unfortunately the Sage website states specifically not to use the rod tube. I'm guessing it's hard to keep from losing on Sage's end, but I could see shipping labels being an issue too.
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OK.
I'd probably just put it into a short piece of 1" PE or pvc pipe.....or....if you can find them, get a triangular cardboard box used for shipping posters. They are sturdier than just a rectangular cardboard box
As for shipping labels, Canada Post usually puts the forms in a plastic bag and sticky wraps it onto the package
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11-30-2020, 05:42 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by fishpro
Thanks everyone for your help, I ended up speaking with a local professional builder and determined the ferrule is most likely cracked, so I have sent it in to Sage for warranty.
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If that ferrule is in fact cracked....I wouldn't be surprised that the seller knew that when he/she sold it...
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11-30-2020, 07:57 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by flyrodfisher
OK.
I'd probably just put it into a short piece of 1" PE or pvc pipe.....or....if you can find them, get a triangular cardboard box used for shipping posters. They are sturdier than just a rectangular cardboard box
As for shipping labels, Canada Post usually puts the forms in a plastic bag and sticky wraps it onto the package
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The triangular box is the way to go. This summer I went to ship a fly rod tube to a friend in Nova Scotia and Canada Post said they would have to charge a premium if it was in a round tube. The issue was that a tube would roll around and couldn't be read by an automatic bar code scanner and would have to be handled by hand at each sorting stage.
Ken
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11-30-2020, 10:39 PM
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Join Date: Jun 2007
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Quote:
Originally Posted by flyrodfisher
If that ferrule is in fact cracked....I wouldn't be surprised that the seller knew that when he/she sold it...
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The seller seemed genuinely surprised and apologetic when I told him about the damage. It was just a small chip in the epoxy and the crack was small on the inside of the ferrule, so I believe it was an honest mistake.
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12-01-2020, 09:42 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by fishpro
The seller seemed genuinely surprised and apologetic when I told him about the damage. It was just a small chip in the epoxy and the crack was small on the inside of the ferrule, so I believe it was an honest mistake.
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Many years ago I had two homemade fly rods with minor cracks in the ferrules. Found some thin walled copper tubing at a hobby shop of the right inside diameters to slip ~3/4 inch pieces over the ferrules, then wrapped and varnished (no epoxy in those days)...worked fine!
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12-02-2020, 10:34 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by haggis57
The triangular box is the way to go. This summer I went to ship a fly rod tube to a friend in Nova Scotia and Canada Post said they would have to charge a premium if it was in a round tube. The issue was that a tube would roll around and couldn't be read by an automatic bar code scanner and would have to be handled by hand at each sorting stage.
Ken
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I ship rods around the world in 3” ABS drain line.
Big cost is insurance.
Don
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