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Originally Posted by Kauna
yes it does ...more than you wanna admit
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Felt recoil has as much to do with rifle stock ergonomics, weight and individual fit as it does to cartidge choice....sometimes even more so than cartridge choice.
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Originally Posted by Lefty-Canuck
Felt recoil has as much to do with rifle stock ergonomics, weight and individual fit as it does to cartidge choice....sometimes even more so than cartridge choice.
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exactly my point ..do you buy a rifle make and design with cartridge based on recoil ? and not game intended for , fair question..so very little recoil of a 243 should be good all the way thru to elk ?
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10-16-2014, 02:37 PM
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Its always the one cartridge guys that know the most about everybody else's cartridge of choice. Why is that? Its maddening.  |
It's funny how that happens so often. 
As far as recoil goes, fit, weight and recoil pad can mean as much as the cartridge. One fellow that I know thought that a Ruger Ultralight in 270win would be a good choice for his wife. One shot while sighting it in made it clear, that he had picked the wrong rifle. After both of us fired the rifle, we agreed that my custom 7mm stw was more comfortable to shoot.
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10-16-2014, 02:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Kauna
exactly my point ..do you buy a rifle make and design with cartridge based on recoil ? and not game intended for , fair question..so very little recoil of a 243 should be good all the way thru to elk ?
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If it fits and the shooter can actually shoot with it why not?
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10-16-2014, 02:40 PM
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lol...ya .23
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"Wow"  LOL
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10-16-2014, 02:42 PM
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If it fits and the shooter can actually shoot with it why not?
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last question...why have a 30-06 , 300 win or any thing else ? unreal . recoil is not your friend
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10-16-2014, 02:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Kauna
last question...why have a 30-06 , 300 win or any thing else ? unreal . recoil is not your friend
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So wouldn't the 7mm-08 be a better choice then?
You are very fortunate to be having advise from experienced shooters (not referring to myself), men who have much more experience than yourself, you should take their advise instead of fight it.
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10-16-2014, 02:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Kurt505
So wouldn't the 7mm-08 be a better choice then?
You are very fortunate to be having advise from experienced shooters (not referring to myself), men who have much more experience than yourself, you should take their advise instead of fight it.
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Kurt ..are u saying the penetration and wound channel of a 7-08 is equal to a .338 win mag with the same type of bullets ..sorry not picking on you ..if recoil is a none issue .. tks ...for the advise by the way
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10-16-2014, 02:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Kauna
last question...why have a 30-06 , 300 win or any thing else ? unreal . recoil is not your friend
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Because I have a Ruger No.1 in .303 British that that fits me perfectly and a 6.5X55 O/U that also fits me perfectly , I have downsized a lot of rifles in the last few years and sold all my 300's '06's, 308, and about 150 other rifles.
The 450 Ackley and the 9.3X74R are still at my disposal if I wan them however-m and yes I can soot both very well.
BTW neither the '06 or the 300 are favorites of mine - I prefer a cartridge with a 6.5, .284, or .311 bullet as long as the gun fits me.
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10-16-2014, 03:01 PM
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Forgive me an analogy here...
Q - "I need to move some furniture, Should I use a Ford F-150, a Ram 1500, or a GMC Sierra 1500. All have v-8's and 6.5' boxes."
A - "It doesn't really matter. Pick one"
Q- "Are you trying to say they all have exactly the same capabilities and equipment?. I've seen the various spec sheets for each. They are not the same."
A- "No, but the differences are minor and don't matter that much for what you want to do, or what 95% of drivers want to do 95% of the time".
Q - "So are you trying to say vehicle and engine size don't matter???"
A- - "No, they matter is some cases. If you are towing a front end loader you will want a Heavy Duty truck specialy equiped for towing heavy loads."
Oh yeah, and studies have shown truck drivers generally stick with the brand they first bought, and think it's the best.
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10-16-2014, 03:10 PM
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Originally Posted by catnthehat
Because I have a Ruger No.1 in .303 British that that fits me perfectly and a 6.5X55 O/U that also fits me perfectly , I have downsized a lot of rifles in the last few years and sold all my 300's '06's, 308, and about 150 other rifles.
The 450 Ackley and the 9.3X74R are still at my disposal if I wan them however-m and yes I can soot both very well.
BTW neither the '06 or the 300 are favorites of mine - I prefer a cartridge with a 6.5, .284, or .311 bullet as long as the gun fits me.
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Cat ..the right answer is you and everyone else hates recoil and that's why the 7-08 and such have become popular ...I don't disagree, as I get on in years too.. no one wants to admit it
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10-16-2014, 03:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Kauna
Kurt ..are u saying the penetration and wound channel of a 7-08 is equal to a .338 win mag with the same type of bullets ..sorry not picking on you ..if recoil is a none issue .. tks ...for the advise by the way
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All other factors equal, no, but a .338 is in no means comparable to a .270 either.
Tell me, at what point does the .270 become a more effective cartridge than a 7mm-08, and in what way is it more effective when used on a moose?
I killed a moose with an arrow weighing 400gr traveling about 250fps, a chunk of bonded metal weighing 140gr flying 1800fps outta get the same results no?
One more thing, does a 270 in a Remington Sundero model have more recoil than a Sako finnlight in 7mm-08?
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10-16-2014, 03:22 PM
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Cat ..the right answer is you and everyone else hates recoil and that's why the 7-08 and such have become popular ...I don't disagree, as I get on in years too.. no one wants to admit it
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a .303 Brit loaded to max firing a 215 grain bullet has enough recoil but I don't need more gun than that.
What exactly is your point?
As far as the original question about the two goes I would not have a 270 in my vault again, and I have owned some particularly nice ones.
I can't like the cartridge, it has nothing to do with recoil or anything else.
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10-16-2014, 03:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Kurt505
All other factors equal, no, but a .338 is in no means comparable to a .270 either.
Tell me, at what point does the .270 become a more effective cartridge than a 7mm-08, and in what way is it more effective when used on a moose?
I killed a moose with an arrow weighing 400gr traveling about 250fps, a chunk of bonded metal weighing 140gr flying 1800fps outta get the same results no?
One more thing, does a 270 in a Remington Sundero model have more recoil than a Sako finnlight in 7mm-08?
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you asked ..you tell me , the diff of a 7-08 and a 270...and if there's none ..where does a 338 win come here ..your floor ..answer please...if you hit where you should than all is equal ...SHOT PLACEMENT ..right
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10-16-2014, 03:33 PM
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you asked ..you tell me , the diff of a 7-08 and a 270...and if there's none ..where does a 338 win come here ..your floor ..answer please...
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I'm glad you asked;
The only real world difference is the guy on the trigger, all other factors are left to personal preference. As for a .338, I have no idea what it's doing here, you brought it.
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10-16-2014, 03:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Kurt505
All other factors equal, no, but a .338 is in no means comparable to a .270 either.
Tell me, at what point does the .270 become a more effective cartridge than a 7mm-08, and in what way is it more effective when used on a moose?
I killed a moose with an arrow weighing 400gr traveling about 250fps, a chunk of bonded metal weighing 140gr flying 1800fps outta get the same results no?
One more thing, does a 270 in a Remington Sundero model have more recoil than a Sako finnlight in 7mm-08?
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Last time I checked they didn't make a Sendaro in 270 win.
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10-16-2014, 03:48 PM
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Last time I checked they didn't make a Sendaro in 270 win.
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I don't own a Remington, and never looked into the availability of calibers-models, I just know the sendaro is about 12lbs with a scope, and a finnlight is about 7lbs.
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10-16-2014, 04:05 PM
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Skip the ordinary stuff and shoot a modern 7x57 Mauser.... 
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10-16-2014, 04:22 PM
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I'm glad you asked;
The only real world difference is the guy on the trigger, all other factors are left to personal preference. As for a .338, I have no idea what it's doing here, you brought it.
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you avoided a whole bunch ..question ? does a 7-08 work as well on a 200 yd hit on elk or moose , as the 338 win mag ? Work is work Kurt, tracking, loosing ect....again sorry to pick on you..again point is 7-08 vs 270 any diff ?
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10-16-2014, 04:25 PM
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you avoided a whole bunch ..question ? does a 7-08 work as well on a 200 yd hit on elk or moose , as the 338 win mag ? Work is work Kurt, tracking, loosing ect....again sorry to pick on you
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Yes it does if it is hit p[properly and a gut shot or a bad shot is just that even if a 375 is used.
Marginal hits are bad shots .
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10-16-2014, 04:27 PM
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I'll humour the recoil derailment and say that it would actually be wise for more people to consider recoil when choosing a rifle than what do.
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10-16-2014, 04:30 PM
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I don't own a Remington, and never looked into the availability of calibers-models, I just know the sendaro is about 12lbs with a scope, and a finnlight is about 7lbs.
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LOL ..talking out the side are you
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10-16-2014, 04:34 PM
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you avoided a whole bunch ..question ? does a 7-08 work as well on a 200 yd hit on elk or moose , as the 338 win mag ? Work is work Kurt, tracking, loosing ect....again sorry to pick on you
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You never asked the question before, by work as well I'm assuming you mean a one shot kill, with death occurring 10-20 seconds after impact, my answer is yes, most certainly. My son did a one shot kill on a whitetail using an 80gr bullet out of a .243 at 398yds, the deer made it about 50yds from poi.
You seem to be arguing both for and against my point, in one post you admitted SHOT PLACEMENT, but you are still not admitting to bullet construction, nor have you answered my question on recoil in a sendaro vs finnlight???
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10-16-2014, 04:35 PM
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I'll humour the recoil derailment and say that it would actually be wise for more people to consider recoil when choosing a rifle than what do.
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10-16-2014, 04:36 PM
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You still haven't answered the question.
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10-16-2014, 04:37 PM
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Is that so? How did you draw that conclusion?
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Is that so? How did you draw that conclusion?
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I changed it ..nice you agree for once ...
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10-16-2014, 04:46 PM
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Changed what? Has anyone ever told you that you're hard to follow?
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I changed it ..nice you agree for once ...
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I think this will be most helpful to you in this thread.... Once you put down the shovel that is.
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Changed what? Has anyone ever told you that you're hard to follow?
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ya lol..was referring to you "agreeing" ...now I got a ladder ..too funny..Chuck don't take me too serious as I don't you ..thanks
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