Gun Registry Super Thread (please thank your Liberal/NDP friends)

[ctd]

Originally Posted by 32-40win

The SECU will be hearing the more pro firearms side today. CCFR, John Hipwell from Wolverine and some others should be presenting their arguments today.

And , Mr Goodale rejected the petition from last year, to have the people on the Firearms council take the PAL/RPAL courses before being able to sit on the council.
You can read one article on it here;
https://ipolitics.ca/2018/05/23/good...chelle-rempel/

I use to think they should take the course. But do we really want them Able to own a firearm.

It should be mandatory that they all have a working knowledge of the firearms law they are against.
Mr Goodale and the the Prime Minister should be the first ones to read and understand the current law before trying to support and pass new laws.

[32-40win]

The CSSA's brief and Q&A session was very detailed and well done. And Wendy was on today. They picked on the CCFR pretty hard about some of the policies on their website, specifically concealed carry. Pam Damoff is certainly a buddy of Wendy's.

http://parlvu.parl.gc.ca/XRender/en/...0Safari/537.36

[32-40win]

This week the SECU is hearing Police Chiefs, Physicians, Lawyers and an SFU professor who has done many different kinds of firearms related studies, Gary Mauser. His stuff tends to refute most of the anti-gun stuff being bandied about.

http://www.ourcommons.ca/DocumentVie...ing-116/notice

http://www.garymauser.net/papers.html

[markg]

Is this still in parliment or is it now the law of the land?

When selling a firearm do we now like today May 28/2018 have to call the firearms center to sell a non restricted rifle?

[32-40win]

Not yet, still has to get thru the SECU reviews and be amended if recommended by them, then goes to the Senate and then back to Parliament and the Governor General for Royal assent. There are at least two people on the SECU that are doing everything they can to shut down testimony by the pro gun witnesses and promote the anti firearms groups. Listen to the last session and you will hear how one Lib MP essentially did not let the CCFR say a whole bunch in his allotted time space, he wasted time on sidetracking the issue at hand with a bunch of garbage, and then held up a pic of an AR15 and ranted at them to use up their time slot. Then the same MP and another Lib MP fed Wendy Cukier open ended debate questions til the time ran out, basically fed her the opportunity to talk as much as she wanted. CSSA got some good points in, they were heard out.
Although, the RCMP are putting info out like it was passed already, and it is not law yet. At the moment you are not required to call in a non-restricted transfer to verify the validity of a PAL, but, if you don't know the person, it may be worth your while to do so, in the long run of things. CYA.

[32-40win]

Here is today's SECU meeting audio track, interesting one, the lawyers certainly seem to be on our side, worth listening to. There will be another meeting on Thursday, which I believe is the last one. Then the SECU will make up its mind on what amendments it may want to make before sending it back to parliament to be reviewed again and sent to the Senate.

http://parlvu.parl.gc.ca/XRender/en/...0Safari/537.36

[ctd]

On the first day this law is in place. Everyone needs to call in and "sell" all their firearms to different people.
The next day those people need to sell those fireams back.
After a week of this they will get the point.

[32-40win]

The SECU meeting from Thursday, some FN reps, John Hipwell from Wolverine Supplies in Manitoba, the OFAH has a lot to say. Some interesting comments on this one.

http://parlvu.parl.gc.ca/XRender/en/...0Safari/537.36

[32-40win]

Apparently that was the last SECU meeting with testimonies. The next one is Tues, and they will be collating what they have received for info and recommendations from all sources and starting to review all that and sorting out what amendments to make on it. How long a process that will be is in the air. There are a few folk on the committee that are reasonable, a few with an anti firearm agenda and will not listen to reason. Both sides have their good and bad ideas on the subject. Overall, it will wind up with the best political face they can dream up for it, that will give them deniability for the results. Hopefully they at least recommend maintaining oversight with recourse over the RCMP and classifications.

[The_Gun_Boy]

I know this thing has to be talked about to no end before they make a decision. But does anyone have an idea or estimation as to when this gets thrown out or they give it the go and it comes into effect?

[32-40win]

Today, is the debate within the SECU, as to what amendments should be made and presented to Parliament for third reading. Whether parliament approves the amendments, is another story yet to be written. Whatever they approve, will then be sent to the Senate.

http://parlvu.parl.gc.ca/XRender/en/...0Safari/537.36

[32-40win]

Not much need to worry about amendments at this point, none of the Conservative recommendations for amendments were passed, not one. They will probably reconvene on Wed, to finish up this farce. They haven't passed anything the Libs presented, to make it any worse than it is---yet. It strikes me as some items the Libs have presented may be brought up after C71, in which case, things like background check criteria expansion may be included in a different bill, down the road. Basically the CZ/SA owners are screwed if they don't register them before June 30th. After that, they will not be grandfathered even if C71 comes into effect, is the way they are talking. It will have to be registered by then, in order to be grandfathered, period. The discussion about criteria for the background checks is open to interpretation, there are reps from the RCMP and DOJ present as witnesses to explain some of it to the MP'S on the committee. There are some interesting discussions here.

[32-40win]

The meeting for tomorrow, to do the point by point amendments, is on for Wed.
There are apparently 50 amendments left to consider.

Should you like to see all the briefs presented to the SECU for consideration, by the sub-committee, that reviews them before submission to the panel, you can look at them here, there are 95 of them;

http://www.ourcommons.ca/Committees/...ityId=10058758

[32-40win]

They cancelled today, along with all the scheduled afternoon meetings for pretty much everything else. Appears to be on for tomorrow at 11;00AM.

In case you didn't know, Mark Holland seems to think we are thugs, at least that was the way he said it today, and then got his butt kicked for it and tried to weasel his way out of it, by saying he wasn't talking about firearms owners in general, except that isn't the first time he has said things like that about us. He's one of Wendy's friends, so, take that for what it's worth.

[32-40win]

The SECU seems to be in a hurry to get this done. They are looking at 50 amendments to vote on, there are two sessions today, seems they want this done and gone. And it is hard to comprehend how Elizabeth May is allowed to present an amendment, but she's here;

http://parlvu.parl.gc.ca/XRender/en/...0Safari/537.36

http://parlvu.parl.gc.ca/XRender/en/...0Safari/537.36

[32-40win]

So, the SECU is done with amendments as far as I understand, there apparently will be no more meetings. C71 is now going back to Parliament.

One prime example of amendments rejected by them, and the attitude of the panelists, is about the RCMP and CFAC and Goodale issuing the amnesty ref the CZ858 & SA guns currently still in possession and legally for sale across the country as non-restricted and restricted versions. You can purchase one before Jun 30, register it, and it will be grandfathered under C71. If you buy a non-restricted or restricted CZ858 after Jun30th, and then register it as req'd after Jun30th, it will not be grandfathered and you will have to give it up as being a prohibited weapon, once C71 comes into effect.
The DOJ is fully aware this situation exists, basically you can still legally purchase a legal non-restricted gun on July1st or later on under existing law, til C71 has become law--and will actually be purchasing a prohibited weapon, and will then be in breach of illegal possession, with no recourse.
And if C71 does not go thru, the ones on the amnesty list become prohibited on July 1st, and will all have to be turned in by July 2021.

An amendment to fix this issue--was rejected by the Liberals.

[32-40win]

It appears Mr Goodale and crowd are doing a wee bit of speaking with forked tongue concerning how many people/groups were actually consulted before tabling C71. There is quite a list of people, who Mr Goodale et al, says were consulted, who say they absolutely were not consulted.
MP Glen Motz has moved for the SECU to ask for Mr Goodale to appear before the SECU about this on June 19th. My bet is that won't happen.

[guysmiley]

Originally Posted by 32-40win

It appears Mr Goodale and crowd are doing a wee bit of speaking with forked tongue concerning how many people/groups were actually consulted before tabling C71. There is quite a list of people, who Mr Goodale et al, says were consulted, who say they absolutely were not consulted.
MP Glen Motz has moved for the SECU to ask for Mr Goodale to appear before the SECU about this on June 19th. My bet is that won't happen.

Clearly there is an agenda. No amount of facts, caught is a lie or logic will stop them from doing what they've already decided will happen.

[32-40win]

One fairly clear example is up north, Blaine Calkins went up there and talked to some FN people who were not consulted up there, this wk. There is a Lib MP back east who is taking the PAL course in order to understand what is going on. Mr Holland is doing a town hall type thing with an Ontario MP, at an F&G or gun club, can't imagine him consorting with thugs. Hope it gets videoed in a proper fashion.
Haven't heard about a schedule for the Senate yet, addresses and e-mails are contained in above posts, may as well drop some mail and e-mails on them. And point out what went on in the SECU, and how there is a bit of controversy on the consultations, and what amendments were rejected because of party directives. By the way, background checks may now be extended to Facebook, Twitter and what ever else they can find out about you on Google. Some keyboard warriors may be wishing they hadn't said that. You can thank Elizabeth May and Pam Damoff for that one.

[32-40win]

Apparently the CSAAA has some worries about some stuff regarding businesses that was brought up at the SECU;

http://www.csaaa.org/news/

[32-40win]

This link is to a copy of all the info on a CFAC meeting held last year, including all the expenses, etc, in the first 128 pages. It is 398 pgs, and it outlines the thought processes preceding C71 fairly clearly;

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1hol...C2JXnHU9k/view

[32-40win]

Imagine that, the Libs voted to restrict debate on Third reading last nite, they fully intend to railroad this thru, right or wrong.
Appears it won't hit the Senate before summer break, so it can't go thru til Oct at least. It will be a dead bill that has to be resurrected in the fall, in order to go to the Senate.

[Nyksta]

Originally Posted by 32-40win

Imagine that, the Libs voted to restrict debate on Third reading last nite, they fully intend to railroad this thru, right or wrong.
Appears it won't hit the Senate before summer break, so it can't go thru til Oct at least. It will be a dead bill that has to be resurrected in the fall, in order to go to the Senate.

Total disrespect to democracy.

[32-40win]

The first few minutes in this session are on the matter of restricting debate on C71 and Ralph the puppet in fine form. You have to go to 16:10:45 in here to see the Speaker finding the RCMP guilty of contempt of Parliament concerning C71. Then comes Glen Motz's explanation of why he asked the Speaker to rule on this.

http://parlvu.parl.gc.ca/XRender/en/...0Safari/537.36

[32-40win]

Nothing happening at the moment as Parliament is recessed til Sept, quite a few politicians beginning to to some campaign work in their ridings. Let them know what you think if you get the chance. Won't hurt to write Senators or call local MP offices. There are some serious anti-firearm advocates in the Liberal caucus, they are only just getting started with C71.
Libs have not put up any money, where their mouths are, on their promises to fund more police or gang violence prevention yet. C71 and C75 are what to hit them with as well, neither is helping anyone.

[Fowl91]

Thanks for your updates 32-40, Much appreciated.

[32-40win]

Granted this is from Vice, but, it was posted by Ian Runkle today, he had a few comments on this as well. It paints the picture. Between C71, C75 and C46, the Liberal party line mindset, is to give the police what at this point, will be powers that you can be stopped for no particular reason, and ask you to blow, if you don't blow, can get you charged anyway, sober, unimpaired or not. They are perfectly willing to let police create criminals with C71 and C46 and then let criminals off with lighter sentences with the hybrid law changes in C75. But, this is one area where C75 does increase penalties, no doubt some people wil cheer, yet, it may be at their own peril;

https://www.vice.com/en_ca/article/m...vicenewscafbca

[32-40win]

This police chief seems a bit confused about what she is talking about, and the props she uses, come from a gun range, not crime scenes. Would you trust her?

https://www.cbc.ca/radio/asithappens...ions-1.4733270

[32-40win]

Don't worry, it isn't just the Libs that have screwy ideas, here are some comments on the goings on at the UN;

https://www.ammoland.com/2018/07/ten...#axzz5KIeTty9D

[32-40win]

This is what Goodale and crew do not comprehend, I really like the last line in this article.

https://www.ammoland.com/2018/07/gun...#axzz5KId85Zvi