Gun Registry Super Thread (please thank your Liberal/NDP friends)

[barsik]

Originally Posted by Pathfinder76

So can someone now go to the range with their AR 15?

I would wait for the status on the AR15 from Dr Teri Bryant. great news that the province is exercising their right to simply not prosecute any law abiding and criminal record free Albertan with an AR15 but it doesn't mean you can blow the cobwebs out of the barrel yet. our provincial representatives have stepped up to protect us, let's not embarrass them.

[AxeMan]

The mighty .22 gauge!
The all-round caliber, our questions are answered.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WhusIW1qJE0

[CBintheNorth]

Originally Posted by Pathfinder76

Wait. Is this the same guy who was waiving Pom poms for the lockdown team? Holy crap.

Don't forget about "Let's face it, vaccines equal freedom."
That's the guy.
I guess a leader with balls (figuratively) really does make a difference. Hers appear to be much larger than Kenney's.
Shandro actually sounds quite knowledgeable in this role. He may have found his calling.

[Smokinyotes]

I screwed up, I think this effective January 1.

I just sent Tyler Shandro a Thank you for having some balls to stand up to the dictator.

[32-40win]

Don't go getting the panties in a knot over the Alberta/Shandro vid, it is a bunch of BS and political posturing and a soundbyte that sounds good the the unwashed, and uneducated. You take a Prohib out to the range and get causght, be prepared to lose it with no compensation, and go to court anyway, if you want to be a guinea pig, don't forget we don't have a double jeopardy law in Canada either. They can make your life miserable and break you PDQ on it.

[Hunter Trav]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MP7VHwUlUoY

Interesting video about a one off gun that made the list of banned firearms. The video is from the guy who made it and he's not sure how the Canadian Gov't even heard of it. Popped up in my youtube feed this evening...

[IronNoggin]

B]All the verifiable untruths Liberals have told about their gun ban[/B]

The push for Bill C-21 has featured an awful lot of Liberal MPs saying things that are extremely not true

A Canadian government should never be fully expected to tell the truth at all times, but the fight over Bill C-21 has featured an awful lot of instances of MPs and federal ministers saying things that are not true.

Bill C-21 started off as a pretty routine bill to codify some earlier Liberal orders banning the sale and transfer of handguns. But then, in an 11th hour amendment, a Liberal committee member slipped in a 400-page schedule of long guns to be criminalized.

By any measure, this is the most sweeping firearms prohibition in history and will ban whole categories of firearms that have only ever been marketed and sold as hunting arms. In response, the primary Liberal defence has been to simply deny that any hunting arms will be caught by the ban, even though this is easily debunked by even a cursory reading of the amendments.

Below, a not-at-all comprehensive guide to all the times that Liberal MPs have said verifiably false statements in defence of the Bill C-21 amendments.

Both the handgun crackdown and the Bill C-21 ban list apply almost exclusively to law-abiding gun owners as they seek to criminalize behaviour that has previously been legal and regulated. And, of course, the proposed legislation has no effect whatsoever on Canada’s apparently swelling ranks of gun criminals, who have already long abandoned their adherence to federal firearms legislation.

https://nationalpost.com/opinion/unt...berals-gun-ban

[32-40win]

Appears they are working on using a pilot program to pickup the guns in the May1st 2020 OIC, to start off in PEI as it is perhaps small and manageable enough to try working out the bugs. Go to pg22 Public Safety Canada Buyback Program ;

https://firearmrights.ca/wp-content/...t-handbook.pdf

[Landshark]

I received this from Alberta News this morning:

Federal confiscation program: Minister Shandro
January 10, 2023 Media inquiries
Minister of Justice Tyler Shandro issued the following statement on the federal firearms confiscation program:

“Last week, Minister Mendicino admitted that the federal government has still not figured out how to implement their firearms confiscation program.

“This admission comes shortly after the Canadian Association of Chiefs of Police called on the federal government to not to use police services to confiscate firearms.

“Now, media reports have drawn attention to a federal government memo that outlines Minister Mendicino’s plans to confiscate firearms across Canada.

“The memo admits that efforts to find private sector companies to implement the federal firearms confiscation program failed this summer.

“With no private sector companies willing to participate, the memo outlines how the RCMP will first be deployed to Prince Edward Island (PEI), which has been deemed to be an easy ‘low-risk’ target.

“The federal government is treating PEI as a ‘pilot’ that will help them learn on the job as they implement their confiscation plan through trial and error.

“This ‘program’ is expected to cost a billion dollars or more and has supposedly been in the works for three years.

“Despite a mountain of money and years worth of lead time, Ottawa appears to be lost – especially given their latest attack on hunting rifles and shotguns – at minimum, they should proactively extend the amnesty that is currently scheduled to end in October 2023.

“Such a decision, however, would involve showing Canadian firearms owners a measure of decency, something that Minister Mendicino and this federal government is seemingly incapable of.”

[Landshark]

Originally Posted by 32-40win

Appears they are working on using a pilot program to pickup the guns in the May1st 2020 OIC, to start off in PEI as it is perhaps small and manageable enough to try working out the bugs. Go to pg22 Public Safety Canada Buyback Program ;

https://firearmrights.ca/wp-content/...t-handbook.pdf

Taking our legally acquired arms from us amounts to a dictatorship. Plain and simple. No other Canadians want to join in on this theft as we can plainly see. We need to scream loud and clear that it will not be stood for. PEI needs to stand up with the rest of Canada and denounce this.

Please send yet another email note to the Prime and his henchmen. Don't take this sitting down on your hands.

[Landshark]

This just in....Alberta intervenes in firearms lawsuits
January 12, 2023 Media inquiries
The Federal Court has granted Alberta’s application to intervene in six lawsuits against federal legislation that bans more than 1,500 models of firearms.

On September 26, 2022, Alberta’s Minister of Justice and Attorney General announced that the province would seek to advance legal arguments in six ongoing lawsuits concerning constitutional and non-constitutional legal issues related to the federal firearms ban.

On January 11, 2023, the Federal Court granted Alberta the ability to intervene on the non-constitutional issues. The Federal government advised the Federal Court they would not oppose Alberta’s application the day their opposition to the intervention was required by the court.

“The federal firearms ban criminalizes hundreds of thousands of law-abiding Canadians who are in possession of firearms that the federal government has arbitrarily banned – simply because the ‘style’ of the firearm was deemed to be aesthetically displeasing by bureaucrats in Public Safety Canada. I am pleased that Alberta has been granted an opportunity to defend the tens of thousands of Albertans who are personally affected by this ban in a court of law.”

Tyler Shandro, Minister of Justice
Provinces have the automatic right to intervene on constitutional matters. On non-constitutional issues, provinces must seek the permission of the court.

The lawsuits raise questions of significant public interest respecting the lawful ownership of firearms in Canada, the proper interpretation of the Criminal Code, and the scope of the regulatory making powers granted to Canada’s Governor in Council. By intervening, Alberta will be able to argue that the federal government’s legislation is an overreach of its jurisdiction and will infringe on the rights of the province’s law-abiding firearms community.

“The federal government’s legislative amendments would result in responsible firearms owners losing their property without improving public safety. I have urged the federal government to reconsider these amendments, and will continue to advocate for laws that protect both public safety and property rights.”

Teri Bryant, chief firearms officer
Alberta will submit its written argument to the federal court in early February. The lawsuits are scheduled to be heard April 11 to 20, 2023.

Quick facts
There are 340,245 possession/acquisition licence holders in Alberta.

Albertans own the second highest number of firearms classified as restricted or prohibited by the federal government.

The federal firearms ban targets an estimated 30,000 firearms for confiscation in Alberta.

There are 127 approved shooting ranges and more than 680 firearms related businesses in Alberta.

On average, an additional 30,000 Albertans complete mandatory firearms safety course training annually, as a first step to obtaining their firearms licence. In 2021, that number jumped to 38,000, indicating a significant upward trend in legal gun ownership in the province.

An intervener participates in a legal proceeding so they can provide useful and unique submissions regarding the determination of legal issues before the courts.

The current judicial reviews include:

Cassandra Parker and K.K.S Tactical Supplies Ltd. V Canada (AG)

Canadian Coalition for Firearms Rights et al. v Canada (AG)

John Hipwell v Canada (AG)

Michael Doherty et al v Canada (AG)

Christine Generoux et al. v Canada (AG)

Jennifer Eichenberg et al v Canada (AG)

Related information
Alberta Chief Firearms Office
Related news
Alberta seeks to intervene in firearms lawsuits (September 26, 2022)
Challenging the federal firearms confiscation program (September 26, 2022)
Provinces oppose federal use of police resources (October 14, 2022)

[Stinky Buffalo]

Link to above news release: https://www.alberta.ca/release.cfm?x...54C9F6B1AD21E1

[32-40win]

Not sure why I didn't spot this over Xmas, was put out on Dec21.
Petition E4221, sponsored by John Brassard against C21 amendments.

https://petitions.ourcommons.ca/en/P...etition=e-4221

[32-40win]

Parliament is back in session, waiting for news of new SECU meetings, looks like maybe LIbs could be wavering a little on C21. Wait and see how the debate on the consultations goes and we'll know better. Seeing as some went to some meetings up north recently, don't believe any were from the committee, they may try to pull a fast one and say they've done the necessary consultations, sure they will try to fight them.

In the meantime, CCFR has released a campaign to scrap Bill C21, and are laying it out in this vid, we do need to participate. New website is here;
https://scrapc21.ca/

This is the vid explaining what they are doing; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HusipW4GFXE

[32-40win]

Not holding my breath over this one, but, an NDP & Green member rose up in the HOC today and asked the speaker to rule the amendments (G46) out of order in the house today, speaker determined they'd have to wait til it came back from the SECU & the Senate.
Remember scrapc21.ca , don't back off on them, and not participating will just result in more legislation against more type of guns.

[32-40win]

Well, one small grain of hope emerged today, Libs withdrew the G4 and G46 amendments in committee today, they're dead for the time being.
However, we are still in the process of trying to kill C21 itself, and the May2020 OIC's. They have not gone away, are still in the courts, the Libs have still got their Section 39 evidence request against the court to fight over, and the Libs have created a favorable atmosphere for themselves in the HOC and Senate to get it passed.
Wait and see what they come up with for OIC's over the next while, before they get around to calling an election.
Do not forget the scrap c21 campaign, it still needs funding to get thru the courts, and to hurt the Libs/NDP/Bloc where it counts, in the ridings.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6heNSeE-muY

https://firearmrights.ca/property-justice/

https://scrapc21.ca/

[32-40win]

Appears the Feds are proceeding on a gun buyback, lot of BS flying around on it at present, but, even Edm & Cgy city councils will be involved. All to be funded to the RCMP and implemented by RCMP.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MLvMn6bACEM

https://firearmrights.ca/feds-advanc...ation-program/

[32-40win]

This is s long one, a few witnesses interviewed by the SECU, Rathjen, Jim Shockey, Caillen Langman, take note of Damoff and the others, some of it is very hard to listen to.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KMK2vmPWH2o

[elkhunter11]

Originally Posted by 32-40win

Appears the Feds are proceeding on a gun buyback, lot of BS flying around on it at present, but, even Edm & Cgy city councils will be involved. All to be funded to the RCMP and implemented by RCMP.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MLvMn6bACEM

https://firearmrights.ca/feds-advanc...ation-program/

Talking to several people that I know that have previously unregistered firearms that have now been banned, the concensus is, that since the government/RCMP don't know who has them, they are not turning them in. I wonder if they will even match New Zealand at 30% compliance?

[32-40win]

SECU meeting # 58 from the HOC on Bill C21. Some of this just has to be witnessed to be believed, and even then it is questionable at best.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LH6nndfn7iw

[32-40win]

Probably a good time to remind the Edm and Cgy city councils that participating in the gun buyback the Feds are working on is a non-starter;

https://www.calgary.ca/council/counc...and-wards.html

https://www.edmonton.ca/city_governm...ty-councillors

[32-40win]

SECU meeting #59 from Mar 6/2023

https://parlvu.parl.gc.ca/Harmony/en...V2?fk=12065983

[32-40win]

Here is the last meeting from Thursday. 59 had Linda Keiko talking about Olympic programs effects. This one has Terry Bryant, AB CFO;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LrMpDDMbwHI

[Puma]

We are very lucky to have Teri as our CFO. Very knowledgeable and willing to take on her counterparts in Ottawa.

[32-40win]

Gov't is posting info about the FPB dept. Another fine old Liberal creation spending a lot of money and doing nada. So far.

https://www.publicsafety.gc.ca/cnt/t...214/11-en.aspx

[32-40win]

Apparently the Privy Council has come out against a handgun freeze, saying it is a waste of resources;

Handgun Freeze is Useless, says
Privy Council Report

Nobody – not even Justin Trudeau’s Privy Council – believes his “handgun freeze” can reduce violent crime.

Everyone, gun owner and gun hater alike, wants to keep guns out of the hands of violent criminals, but many are “skeptical as to whether a national freeze on the buying and selling of handguns would be effective,” the Privy Council Report says.[i]

“I don’t know exactly what impact it will have,” said Talal Dakalbab, Assistant Deputy Minister of Public Safety, in his testimony before committee.[ii]

The Privy Council report specifically noted that the federal government’s “freeze on the buying and selling of handguns [is] overly punitive towards law-abiding firearms users.”[iii]

The report also noted “the majority of handgun-related crimes were caused by those who had obtained their firearms illegally” so banning legal owners from buying/selling handguns won’t reduce violent crime with guns.


A Distressing Note

Nationwide, firearm-owning participants were informed that the government had imposed a temporary import ban on restricted handguns in August 2022 and that individuals and businesses could no longer import handguns.

“While a few expected this would negatively impact their ability to partake in sport shooting or collecting antique firearms, most in the group felt this action to be reasonable and did not expect this measure to impact them personally.”

Therein lies our greatest challenge as a community.

Our attitude should be:

“An attack on one of us is an attack on all of us.”

Instead, the attitude of many gun owners is:

“It’s not MY guns they’re after, so why should I care?”

No matter what kind of firearms you love, you should care because they’re coming for your guns too. Maybe not today. Maybe not tomorrow. But once all the black rifles and handguns are gone, all that’s left is hunting rifles and shotguns.

If you believe “they” will never seize and destroy your guns, you’re not paying attention. Worse, you probably haven’t been paying attention for a very long time.

“Gun control” advocates will never be satisfied until ALL guns are removed from Canadians.

Heidi Rathjen was crystal clear about this way back in 1995.

“We have an agenda and our task will be completed when all firearms have been prohibited, but as you can see, our position has been consistent over these five years and will not change,” Rathjen told the committee on Bill C-68.[iv]

That we, as a community, refuse to face this fundamental objective almost 30 years later does not bode well for our longstanding culture of safety, our proud hunting heritage, our shooting sports, or our way of life.

“We must, indeed, all hang together or, most assuredly, we shall all hang separately,” Benjamin Franklin wisely noted over 220 years ago.

An attack on one gun is an attack on all guns.

An attack on one gun owner is an attack on all gun owners.

It is to our community’s eternal shame that we steadfastly refuse to face this.


Privy Council Survey Results

Atlantic Canada
Gun crime urban centres such as Halifax and St. John’s is a major issue.
Impression is firearm-related crimes increased.
Hearing about firearms-related crime on an almost daily basis.
Federal freeze on the buying and selling of handguns is overly punitive towards law-abiding firearms users.
The majority of handgun-related crimes were caused by those who had obtained their firearms illegally and, as such, this action would do little to address the issue.

Quebec Anglophones, Greater Toronto Area
Most reacted positively to the implementation of a national freeze on handguns.
Participants speculated the handgun freeze was the first step toward a permanent ban on handgun ownership in Canada.
Regulation alone would likely not work because if a person is committed to obtaining a firearm for criminal use, they’ll be able to, no matter how strict the laws are.

Greater Vancouver Area[v]
Handgun freeze would have little to no effect on firearms related crimes because criminals are not deterred by new regulations.
Concern this might lead to the growth of an unregulated and illegal market for handguns and further exacerbate the prevalence of drug and gang violence.
When asked whether a handgun freeze or a handgun ban would be appropriate, these participants said neither, because they won’t address drug- and gang-related violence.

Northwest Territories
Felt a handgun freeze or ban would not have a significant impact on their communities because ownership of handguns in the North was rare.

Sources:
[i] https://publications.gc.ca/collectio...2022-9-eng.pdf
[ii] https://www.blacklocks.ca/public-skeptical-of-gun-bans/
[iii] See Citation 1
[iv] https://www.ourcommons.ca/content/ar...134_blk-e.html
[v] https://publications.gc.ca/collectio...2022-5-eng.pdf

For those interested in digging deeper, all geographic reports for 2022 (the latest year available) are found at: https://publications.gc.ca/site/eng/...blication.html