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Old 02-03-2023, 09:09 AM
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I am vehemently opposed to joining the USA, this land and our hunting, fishing, trapping and properties would over-run and overwhelmed with Americans instantly

I am also vehemently opposed to Alberta staying in Canada. Pollivere might be a lillí bandaid for a couple years, but long term it cannot possibly go well for Alberta to remain under Torontoís permanent rule.

SEPARATE AT ALL COSTS

and hope that Saskatchewan and BC less Fraser Valley/Vancouver joins us.

Separate regardless!!!
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Old 02-03-2023, 10:01 AM
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Literally have to have civil war for that to happen.
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Old 02-03-2023, 10:06 AM
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I would gladly vote yes, but don't see the poll on your link. There is a poll for Islamophobic foreign ministers.
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Old 02-03-2023, 10:21 AM
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No. But I will vote for MORE provincial autonomy. More autonomy means less trudeau, Toronto, and quebec in our lives. Just imagine how Alberta would flourish and prosper without their boots on our neck.
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Old 02-03-2023, 10:35 AM
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No. But I will vote for MORE provincial autonomy. More autonomy means less trudeau, Toronto, and quebec in our lives. Just imagine how Alberta would flourish and prosper without their boots on our neck.
The liberals will never allow that to happen, it would interfere with the UN/WEF agenda.
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Old 02-03-2023, 10:39 AM
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Many Albertans who may be in favor of "joining the US" may have greater aspirations of gaining more control, independence and self determination with a focus on our provincial interests over national ones.

One of the potential problems is simple - joining a "bigger" country with "less population as a percentage" with less influence can exasperate the issue we already have ..... we become a smaller fish in a much bigger pond.
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Old 02-03-2023, 11:10 AM
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Many Albertans who may be in favor of "joining the US" may have greater aspirations of gaining more control, independence and self determination with a focus on our provincial interests over national ones.

One of the potential problems is simple - joining a "bigger" country with "less population as a percentage" with less influence can exasperate the issue we already have ..... we become a smaller fish in a much bigger pond.
Alberta has no influence in Canada, we are just a target to be attacked, and a source of revenue to be exploited. Whenever Trudeau needs a target to attack, to shift people's attention off of a scandal, Alberta or our oil, will be that target. In that sense, we would be better off, if we were less noticed, as in a bigger pond.
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Old 02-03-2023, 11:26 AM
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Alberta has no influence in Canada, we are just a target to be attacked, and a source of revenue to be exploited. Whenever Trudeau needs a target to attack, to shift people's attention off of a scandal, Alberta or our oil, will be that target. In that sense, we would be better off, if we were less noticed, as in a bigger pond.
Here's another story from Western Standard.

https://www.westernstandard.news/bus...c7fb167e9.html

If it was Alberta USA, We'd have a pipeline to the gulf and it would be Texas North. Even though Biden campaigned against it in 2020, someone who is actually running the USA has seen a benefit to the production in Alaska. Biden just says what he's told to say.



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Old 02-03-2023, 12:04 PM
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The present political state of the US doesnít look a whole lot better than Canada so I donít see it as a major improvement

Biden reminds me of an elderly Trudeau with dementia
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Old 02-03-2023, 01:28 PM
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No. But I will vote for MORE provincial autonomy. More autonomy means less trudeau, Toronto, and quebec in our lives. Just imagine how Alberta would flourish and prosper without their boots on our neck.
That sounds all fantasy-ish. The feds would pretend to give us autonomy and then squash us whenever desired in this new age of law/statute/charter re-interpretation.

I do hope all us separatists vote Danielle this time round and give her a chance to do something once her reign is no longer under threat, but if she doesnt deliver, then i will join a good wholesome separatist party.

Are there and good wholesome ones? Just need oneÖ two will not work
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Old 02-03-2023, 01:35 PM
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That sounds all fantasy-ish. The feds would pretend to give us autonomy and then squash us whenever desired in this new age of law/statute/charter re-interpretation.

I do hope all us separatists vote Danielle this time round and give her a chance to do something once her reign is no longer under threat, but if she doesnt deliver, then i will join a good wholesome separatist party.

Are there and good wholesome ones? Just need oneÖ two will not work

Since we're all spitballing here, if Alberta is such a problem, ugly cousin to Canada how about Ottawa sells Alberta to the USA for a few trillion dollars. The USA grew their dominion by buying Louisiana and Alaska. Why not buy Alberta.

Seems to me it would be a win, win, win. Ottawa get rid of us as we seem to only be a liability to them. Alberta wins and we no longer have to worry about Ottawa coming down on us. The USA wins as they get more energy to develop closer to the lower 48 than Alaska.

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Old 02-03-2023, 01:44 PM
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I am vehemently opposed to joining the USA, this land and our hunting, fishing, trapping and properties would over-run and overwhelmed with Americans instantly



I am also vehemently opposed to Alberta staying in Canada. Pollivere might be a lillí bandaid for a couple years, but long term it cannot possibly go well for Alberta to remain under Torontoís permanent rule.

SEPARATE AT ALL COSTS

and hope that Saskatchewan and BC less Fraser Valley/Vancouver joins us.

Separate regardless!!!
I agree 100% separation is our only chance! Joining the us would just devastate our wildlife... there's already to many americans coming here every hunting season!
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Old 02-03-2023, 01:50 PM
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I agree 100% separation is our only chance! Joining the us would just devastate our wildlife... there's already to many americans coming here every hunting season!
And just as many Canadians heading south to hunt the USA.
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Old 02-03-2023, 01:53 PM
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And just as many Canadians heading south to hunt the USA.
Maybe we could actually get some decent fish and wildlife management out of the deal as well.

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I'm not allowed in the US does this mean I'd have to move?

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Sooooo... Mis-spent youth too hey? Busted with weed or bar fight? Inquiring minds want to know!

Seriously though... I think you would be good at that point. I think they have to take 'em all if something like this were to ever happen.
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Old 02-03-2023, 02:58 PM
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Anyone remember when Trudope failed to mention Alberta in his Canada day speech??

Really shows his true colours and what he thinks of Albertans. How does a leader of a nation do that other than intentionally??

What an idiot..
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BTW I got a C+ for being "unpatriotic" according to the people who ran things in Ontario school. At the time I wanted to sell all of Canada for 1 million dollars to each man woman and child and with the resources in Canada the USA would have jumped at it. Guess the short crew cut chinese teacher thought we were all going to remain hippies. Even then I think he was a socialist leaning teacher also taught math and told me my mind was like a sieve all the good stuff went through and the garbage stayed. Still remember his name and often wondered if he had any idea I became an accountant despite his efforts. He didn't show up for the reunion 25 years later in 1996 and no one there could say what happened to him.
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The present political state of the US doesnít look a whole lot better than Canada so I donít see it as a major improvement

Biden reminds me of an elderly Trudeau with dementia
At least in the US a president can only serve 2 terms. The way things are in Canada and the amount of gullible morons that still support the Turd, he could be here much longer.
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Old 02-03-2023, 04:57 PM
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At least in the US a president can only serve 2 terms. The way things are in Canada and the amount of gullible morons that still support the Turd, he could be here much longer.
This is true but I am just looking at present day and canít predict there future president

In a lot of ways I would prefer separation over joining the US because I donít know how much of an improvement the US would be. But itís not an option presently so there is no terms of negotiation to even consider
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Old 02-03-2023, 05:29 PM
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I think as part of the U.S.A. you could probably say goodbye to that little gift we call crown land. Logging companies and Oil and gas would no longer lease but would own . Probably some public land but nothing like what we enjoy now. , we could get pay play hunting too and probably lotsa private lakes to go with it.

Canada would likely say see ya but we wonít be taking the mountain parks with us. They would likely revert to BC which would happily stay. Assuming BC would leave Canada is a big stretch.
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Many Albertans who may be in favor of "joining the US" may have greater aspirations of gaining more control, independence and self determination with a focus on our provincial interests over national ones.

One of the potential problems is simple - joining a "bigger" country with "less population as a percentage" with less influence can exasperate the issue we already have ..... we become a smaller fish in a much bigger pond.
While that is true. We would have two elected senators just like all the other states where some influence could be had. Unlike the stacked, appointed senate we have now
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While that is true. We would have two elected senators just like all the other states where some influence could be had. Unlike the stacked, appointed senate we have now
As well, the states have much more authority than our provinces do, the federal government, has much less control over the states.
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Instead of making Alberta part of the USA how about making USA part of Mexico.

Not that long ago people were proud to be Albertan and Canadian. Seems like some folks have lost their way only because of a few lousy politicians. Instead of becoming politically involved to strengthen our country they want to fragment the country. Sad.
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As well, the states have much more authority than our provinces do, the federal government, has much less control over the states.
This is the strength of the Join US argument. Individual states have a lot of autonomy, the downside being if they vote left be bad.


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I think as part of the U.S.A. you could probably say goodbye to that little gift we call crown land. Logging companies and Oil and gas would no longer lease but would own . Probably some public land but nothing like what we enjoy now. , we could get pay play hunting too and probably lotsa private lakes to go with it.

Canada would likely say see ya but we wonít be taking the mountain parks with us. They would likely revert to BC which would happily stay. Assuming BC would leave Canada is a big stretch.
I highly doubt that. Iím sure some would but not to the level you predict. Between national forest, national grassland bureau of land management wilderness areas and national parks not to include whatever is preserved on the state level. An example 2 sections out of every township in Montana is held in public trust as dnrc land. Doubt it will ever happen so no point stressing over what ifÖ.
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As it stands Alberta is nothing more than a colony for the east. They come here when times good, and take off when times go to hell. Some stay, voting in NDP and changing this province into the place they retreated from.

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I am vehemently opposed to joining the USA, this land and our hunting, fishing, trapping and properties would over-run and overwhelmed with Americans instantly

I am also vehemently opposed to Alberta staying in Canada. Pollivere might be a lillí bandaid for a couple years, but long term it cannot possibly go well for Alberta to remain under Torontoís permanent rule.

SEPARATE AT ALL COSTS

and hope that Saskatchewan and BC less Fraser Valley/Vancouver joins us.

Separate regardless!!!
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Elkhunter11, I couldn't agree with you more. We are the province that supports the country the most and gets treated the worst...
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As it stands Alberta is nothing more than a colony for the east. They come here when times good, and take off when times go to hell. Some stay, voting in NDP and changing this province into the place they retreated from.
Isn't that odd, that so many immigrants vote for the type of government most similar to the one that they escaped from.
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Instead of making Alberta part of the USA how about making USA part of Mexico.

Not that long ago people were proud to be Albertan and Canadian. Seems like some folks have lost their way only because of a few lousy politicians. Instead of becoming politically involved to strengthen our country they want to fragment the country. Sad.
118 years ago eastern Canada divided Alberta and sask to stop them from having any political clout that could threaten the pool of power in the east. This country was created by enslaving the west to the eastís whims. Confederation has never worked, nor will it ever. You can hold on to the romantic idea that Canada was great; the fact is in the west we have always been nothing more than serf to the ruling laurentian elite. Personally, Iíd rather strike out on my own, than be under the thumb of the political class. All in the name of a flag no less. Just how united has Canada ever been? The provinces have had disdain for each other longer than Iíve been alive.
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