Tag prices

[deerguy]

Originally Posted by Lefty-Canuck

Best way to cut down draw times....is add more animals or remove more hunters.

We can't add animals....

So IMHO we have to look after "true" Alberta residents....not fly by nighters, we need solid measurable metrics to determine who is a resident and we need a minimum wait or minimum requirements to be called a resident.

The other thing we need to do is follow suit with Saskatchewan and have rules making nonresidents ineligible to hunt certain species.

While I agree current draw entry fees are too low and it's too easy to shotgun the draws....we should not make hunting a "rich mans" activity....although if you look at the economics of hunting it is expensive!

LC

I agree 100%!

Having draws @ $100 per entry does not make it a rich man's sport, just makes it so only those dedicated and serious enter . Mos whitetail is on General, Bear is general, lots of elk are general andstil archery Moose seasons. The opportunities are there.

The draws should not be a free for all "grab as many tags as possible" extravaganza.

[deerguy]

Originally Posted by fish_e_o

problem solved?

How is the problem solved? They can buy the tag then just not use it.

Increase price = taking those out that are not serious abou hunting the animal = less Wait times

[Stinky Buffalo]

Originally Posted by hal53

The population grew by over 25% in less than 10 years, the way it's dropping now, the wait times will be coming down accordingly...

Maybe so... Or maybe there will be more hunters in the "E.I. Hunt Club"?

[fish_e_o]

Originally Posted by deerguy

How is the problem solved? They can buy the tag then just not use it.

Increase price = taking those out that are not serious abou hunting the animal = less Wait times

they already adjust tag numbers by likely success in each area so if the quota is 50 animals and 50 anti hunter buy a tag they'll release 100 tags to account for that (assuming every hunter is successful)

[deerguy]

Originally Posted by fish_e_o

they already adjust tag numbers by likely success in each area so if the quota is 50 animals and 50 anti hunter buy a tag they'll release 100 tags to account for that (assuming every hunter is successful)

Where do you get this from? You have any government links or documents ? This sounds like pure speculation.

[Lefty-Canuck]

Originally Posted by deerguy

The draws should not be a free for all "grab as many tags as possible" extravaganza.

Look at the recent threads started where guys grab undersubscribed and think they can fill up on all the general tags too....just a little bit greedy.

LC

[fish_e_o]

Originally Posted by deerguy

Where do you get this from? You have any government links or documents ? This sounds like pure speculation.

ask any biologist out there and they'll tell you that they adjust tag numbers to success rates in order to have a target harvest.

it's not new science by any means.

[hal53]

Originally Posted by Stinky Buffalo

Maybe so... Or maybe there will be more hunters in the "E.I. Hunt Club"?

That might be as well...lol

[Dunezilla]

When tags for deer were $15.00 back in the early 80's they went from $15.00 to $30.00, & so going up slowly each year since that time isn't all that bad.

Well to be honest I only hunt deer & so that saves me money. It is the cost of fuel to get to where I hunt that can hurt & cut my season short.

[schian]

Originally Posted by deerguy

I agree 100%!

Having draws @ $100 per entry does not make it a rich man's sport, just makes it so only those dedicated and serious enter . Mos whitetail is on General, Bear is general, lots of elk are general andstil archery Moose seasons. The opportunities are there.

The draws should not be a free for all "grab as many tags as possible" extravaganza.

It would definitely limit the amount of hunting many of us "average guys" would have an opportunity to do. And trust me, ask anyone that knows me, I've only been doing it for about 4 years, but hunting has quickly become my biggest passion, but $100 just to enter a draw would not be feasible for me to do every year for all the animals I'd like to hunt. So no it wouldn't eliminate those whose hearts aren't in it, just those whose wallets aren't big enough.

And I may be wrong (it has happened before), but I'm pretty sure they eliminated ALMOST all of the archery moose seasons except in the bow zones.

Schian

[Gboe8]

Tags would be the one of the cheapest things for me when it comes to hunting. I couldn't even imagine how much more money I would have if I didn't hunt.

[DiabeticKripple]

Originally Posted by Lefty-Canuck

Best way to cut down draw times....is add more animals or remove more hunters.

We can't add animals....

So IMHO we have to look after "true" Alberta residents....not fly by nighters, we need solid measurable metrics to determine who is a resident and we need a minimum wait or minimum requirements to be called a resident.

The other thing we need to do is follow suit with Saskatchewan and have rules making nonresidents ineligible to hunt certain species.

While I agree current draw entry fees are too low and it's too easy to shotgun the draws....we should not make hunting a "rich mans" activity....although if you look at the economics of hunting it is expensive!

LC

X2

We have a bunch of guys at work that have an address here so they are considered residents, but they also have an address in BC so they register their vehicles and insure them over there.

[husky7mm]

Originally Posted by hal53

I think you mean the system has rates that the guys aren't used to , applicant wise. The population grew by over 25% in less than 10 years, the way it's dropping now, the wait times will be coming down accordingly...

I doubt the drop will be noticed as far as available tags goes.

[Redfrog]

All tags and licenses should be free for seniors........ and low income individuals ......and welfare recipients........, and people in drug rehab, and ex cons....Did I miss anyone?

Driver licenses and vehicle registration should also be free for Seniors.

When I moved to B.C. deer tags were ,,,,wait for it.......a buck.

[TUFFBUFF]

Just found some of dads old certificates, one from 1979 has the book at 3 bucks and moose at 5 bucks. So ya they've gone up quite a bit sine then!

[JD848]

If I knew where there was good hunting in Manitoba I would pay a thousand a tag and not bat an eye,last 10 years I buy non res Ontario deer 300,wolf 270,small game 100 plus all my tags for Manitoba.There's the odd deer around in lower Manitoba but I am not looking for 120 buck.And the private land owners hunt there own land,can't blame them half the hunter around here are city guys who have been drinking the water from the red river ,they show up in some spots 75 trucks on one road,there brain dead.

To many hunters and the folks who give you permission to hunt on there land also give ten other guys the go.11 guys after one buck that goes 150,screw that deal.

Ontario was good up to 2008 and between the wolf and 6500 tags they sold to the usa guys each year in a small area who shoot at everything that moves because they didn't need a guide or outfitter to go thru they wiped out some of the best deer hunting around.The wolves and bears along with no deer season where the moose were wiped them clear for a 400 square mile area along with the lake of the woods there was the alluneux that supported one of the highest moose numbers in Canada,wiped ouT
I talked to fish and wildlife about going north to thompsen and he said it was not to hot up that way either.I know places in Ontario where the moose hunting is still good but you have to go with an outfitter and resort from 4000 to 9000,i want to get a moose but before I spend 9000 on a moose,i will buy 300 bucks worth of Viagra and head for cuba and a half side of beef when I get home.

There is no way some one should come from another country and not go with an outfitter,6500 tags,if you were on a ten day hunt and dropped a 140 class buck they would realize the thing was to small and keep on walking, I found dead deer all over,plus it was like a firing line in places you had watch not to get shot when it got closer to dark.

So if the hunting is not bad a few more bucks for a tag is peanuts.I'D kiss the guy's ass at the counter,not really but maybe a hug.

[Mulehahn]

Originally Posted by Lefty-Canuck

Best way to cut down draw times....is add more animals or remove more hunters.

We can't add animals....

So IMHO we have to look after "true" Alberta residents....not fly by nighters, we need solid measurable metrics to determine who is a resident and we need a minimum wait or minimum requirements to be called a resident.

The other thing we need to do is follow suit with Saskatchewan and have rules making nonresidents ineligible to hunt certain species.

While I agree current draw entry fees are too low and it's too easy to shotgun the draws....we should not make hunting a "rich mans" activity....although if you look at the economics of hunting it is expensive!

LC

While I fully agree that there should be residency requirements, I see no problem with nonresident being able to enter draws and build points to hunt some species that are only available in alberta like antelope.

But I am confused as to why we can't make more animals. We know what animals need to survive and thrive. Why can we not increase habitat, reduce predators, and see the return of healthy populations. Many states do it and they are under much greater hunting pressure than anyplace in Canada?

[deerguy]

Originally Posted by schian

It would definitely limit the amount of hunting many of us "average guys" would have an opportunity to do. And trust me, ask anyone that knows me, I've only been doing it for about 4 years, but hunting has quickly become my biggest passion, but $100 just to enter a draw would not be feasible for me to do every year for all the animals I'd like to hunt. So no it wouldn't eliminate those whose hearts aren't in it, just those whose wallets aren't big enough.

And I may be wrong (it has happened before), but I'm pretty sure they eliminated ALMOST all of the archery moose seasons except in the bow zones.

Schian

Yeah well, that's life buddy, pick and choose what you want to hunt then enter that draw if you want. All 4 ungulate species have Zones that allow OTC tags, utilize them

[deerguy]

Originally Posted by Mulehahn

While I fully agree that there should be residency requirements, I see no problem with nonresident being able to enter draws and build points to hunt some species that are only available in alberta like antelope.

But I am confused as to why we can't make more animals. We know what animals need to survive and thrive. Why can we not increase habitat, reduce predators, and see the return of healthy populations. Many states do it and they are under much greater hunting pressure than anyplace in Canada?

If non res want to hunt Antelope , then let thhem go to wyoming and antelope.

[JD848]

Originally Posted by Redfrog

All tags and licenses should be free for seniors........ and low income individuals ......and welfare recipients........, and people in drug rehab, and ex cons....Did I miss anyone?

Driver licenses and vehicle registration should also be free for Seniors.

When I moved to B.C. deer tags were ,,,,wait for it.......a buck.

Who the hell is left,same sex partners if he or she is from another province and lived in alberta.15 years ago you could go down and apply thru the draw and hunt moose if there same sex partner lived in ontario ,all other non res had to go with a hunting resort,my friend who I fished with a lot lived in Manitoba but because we were just friends no way he could shot a moose with me.That was right in the Ontario hunting reg book,swear on mothers grave.

That way since parliament was in Ontario,all the senators and there cronies across Canada could go moose hunting together,it was in the Ontario hunting reg's for two years and they changed it all because of all the /strange noise at night that were screwing up the moose rut,the last part's a joke but the rest is all true.

I have nothing against same sex partners ,people can do what they please,but when they get better hunting right's than the rest that's wrong.I phoned in to the mnr and asked what the hell is going on and the girl at the desk said she wasn't sure.I told her what was going on and she hung up and said I was rude and I told her to do some reading and called back the next day and she never hung up and put me on the line with the top CO and he didn't have an answer for me.TRUE STORY.I asked him if my fishing partner just liked me would that count and he said no,i told him I guess he will stay in Manitoba and hunt .

I think that covers it all.

[crazy_davey]

Originally Posted by deerguy

I agree 100%!

Having draws @ $100 per entry does not make it a rich man's sport, just makes it so only those dedicated and serious enter . Mos whitetail is on General, Bear is general, lots of elk are general andstil archery Moose seasons. The opportunities are there.

The draws should not be a free for all "grab as many tags as possible" extravaganza.

I would like to see the cost of entering draws go up by 10X. And once drawn, you purchase the tag instantly.

We need to stop the random entering of every draw because the cost to do so is cheaper than dirt. People would think much harder if it actually cost them something to enter a draw. Our system now is a joke.

[crazy_davey]

Originally Posted by schian

It would definitely limit the amount of hunting many of us "average guys" would have an opportunity to do. And trust me, ask anyone that knows me, I've only been doing it for about 4 years, but hunting has quickly become my biggest passion, but $100 just to enter a draw would not be feasible for me to do every year for all the animals I'd like to hunt. So no it wouldn't eliminate those whose hearts aren't in it, just those whose wallets aren't big enough.

Well then you would plan, build priority and hopefully pick carefully what you would like to be drawn for that year.

I am an average guy and would have no problem making it work.

Raise the cost of entering draws and make it mandatory to buy the tag once drawn. I would like to see the cost of tags go up as well.

[JD848]

In Ontario I use to buy both deer and moose for me and my wife,but the tags had to be paid for before the draw,we were ok because we lived in an area where the hunting was good so you you got an adult moose tag every second year.
So every other year my wife hunted with me and the year I drew a bull I only looked for big bulls and if I didn't see one I could shoot a calf or took a spiker at season's end,was a long season from oct 8 to dec 15,you got to hunt three ruts plus hearding or yarding of large group s of moose from 5 to 25 or more animals in one area.Some falls id call in 40 to 50 bulls a week,somedays 15 or more.
Some guys think that the big bulls only come to the call during the first rut are wrong,that thurd full moon in the fall and groups are staring to form and the bigger bulls will come to the right soft call remember those dominate bulls have protect the cows from predators,when it turns cold like -30 a soft call can be heard for miles.Iwould stay up north for weeks alone searching for them big bulls.
After that them big bull try and recharge there battery for the long, witer and seson is over
I would wait till all the lakes and ponds froze up and 97 percent of hunters went home and the whole north was mine to chose from and if had a million bucks and could turn the clock back for ten more years of them days I would be the wealthiest bastard at heart you would ever meet up with.

I get my tumour cut out of my face on sept 23 at 1030 am been waiting six months but iam going blind in my left eye,had one tumour removed in my lower parts in 2011 and it took me a good one years to get back on track to go back pipelining 80 hrs a week and I am a labour,so no energy no go,i think I will go run some piece of iron.but I always loved being outside,but I have to eat and need a roof over my head and when I can't do either I will fine the biggest white spruce I can find and sit there till my last breath,excuss my poor grammer and writing skills and may god bless you all.

[diamonddave]

Originally Posted by crazy_davey

Well then you would plan, build priority and hopefully pick carefully what you would like to be drawn for that year.

I am an average guy and would have no problem making it work.

Raise the cost of entering draws and make it mandatory to buy the tag once drawn. I would like to see the cost of tags go up as well.

Sorry that idea sucks. Put the draw fee up to 50$, enter 4 draws a year, with say an average of 8 years to pull a good zone, your looking at 1600$ just to draw those 4 tags.

Not to mention some zones are at well more than an 8 year wait.

Pretty tough to afford when you are a student, fixed income, single mom or dad ect ect ect

It would definitely lower the amount of people entering the draws but where do you cap it? When it is out of your disposable income level, my level, or some rich hockey players disposable income?

[madball]

$40 for a deer tag is still more than reasonable as far as I'm concerned.