Shooting Distance from a road?

[johnnyfly]

I have been looking at the regs...can't seem to find how far off the road you have to be to shoot?

[GoodTimes]

There is no minimum distance. Just not along, across or from except with a shotgun for birds.

johnnyfly Shooting Distance from a road?

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
I have been looking at the regs...can't seem to find how far off the road you have to be to shoot?

LOL I was wondering when this one would pop up KEEP READING ITS THERE.

[Apocalypse_now]

thought it was 30m. correct me if I'm wrong

[deanmc]

If you cant find something the wildlife act is always a great place to look.

http://www.qp.alberta.ca/documents/Acts/W10.pdf

Firearms on roads
51(1) A person shall not discharge a firearm from, or cause a
projectile from a firearm to pass along or across,
(a) a highway designated as a provincial highway under the
Highways Development and Protection Act, or
(b) any other road that is paved, oiled, graded or regularly
maintained in a municipal district or prescribed area.
(2) In subsection (1), “highway” or “road” includes, as well as the
travelled portion of it, a width of land on either side of the travelled
portion, including the inner 2 sides of a divided highway, that
extends,
(a) if there is a fence parallelling the travelled portion that
separates the adjacent lands from the travelled portion, to
the fence,
(b) if there is an identifiable ditch alongside the travelled
portion and there is no fence separating the travelled
portion from the adjacent lands, to the edge of the ditch
that is further from the travelled portion, or
(c) if there is no such fence or ditch, to a distance of 20 feet
from the edge of the travelled portion,
and also includes the whole of the remaining area between the 2
travelled portions of a divided highway at any location where the
distance between the 2 nearest points on the innermost edges of the
2 travelled portions is less than 200 yards.
(3) Subsection (1)(b) does not apply to a person hunting game
birds with a shotgun under the authority of a licence authorizing the
hunting of game birds.
(4) Subsection (1) does not apply with respect to a road that is on
privately owned land and that is maintained for the private use of
the owner or occupant or a road held under any active disposition
under the Public Lands Act or under an order under the Surface
Rights Act.
(5) Subsection (1) does not apply to a person engaged in a wildlife
depredation control program authorized in writing by the Minister.
RSA 2000 cW-10 s51;2004 cH-8.5 s77

[Au revoir, Gopher]

Originally Posted by grind stone

KEEP READING ITS THERE.

Is it? From the 2011 Alberta Guide to Hunting Regulations:

9. discharge a firearm from or cause a projectile from a firearm to pass along or across:
a) a provincial highway (this designation applies to all former primary and secondary highways),
b) a road that is paved, oiled, graded or regularly maintained, unless
- the road is held under any active disposition under the Public Lands Act or under an order under the Surface Rights Act, or
- the person is hunting game birds with a shotgun under the authority of a licence.
Note: if there is no identifiable ditch or fence to mark the outside edge of the roadway, then the roadway extends 20 feet from the edge of the traveled portion.

That defines where the edge of the road is (if no fence or ditch), but does not specify a required distance from the road.

Is there some other document I should be reading?

ARG

[Au revoir, Gopher]

Originally Posted by deanmc

If you cant find something the wildlife act is always a great place to look.

http://www.qp.alberta.ca/documents/Acts/W10.pdf

Thank you! I have been going in circles on various government websites trying to find that!

ARG

[buckman]

Dont forget the wildlife corridoors,along highway 40,11,harold creek Ram River, and others I cant think of right now.Most of these call for you to be 365meters from the center line.

[krprice84]

But that still hasn't answered the question.....yes I know this thread is old but it was the one that popped up under a Google search. Sorry if that isn't the right way to do things I do apologize.

I'm looking to find out if there is an actual distance or just not "along across or from"? Does that mean I could park myself just on the other side of a ditch beside a highway and shoot away from the highway? Not saying I want to, just using a more extreme example....But again, is there a prescribed distance from the road?

I'm particular my question relates to a range road/township road (two separate instances) where a friend's farm is obviously within a course proximity to the road from which he accesses his farm. He's been shooting on it but when I get my license and rifle I want to make sure I'm within my rights to shoot on his farm with his permission and will not be violating the law

[Donkey Oatey]

Originally Posted by deanmc

If you cant find something the wildlife act is always a great place to look.

http://www.qp.alberta.ca/documents/Acts/W10.pdf

Firearms on roads
51(1) A person shall not discharge a firearm from, or cause a
projectile from a firearm to pass along or across,
(a) a highway designated as a provincial highway under the
Highways Development and Protection Act, or
(b) any other road that is paved, oiled, graded or regularly
maintained in a municipal district or prescribed area.
(2) In subsection (1), “highway” or “road” includes, as well as the
travelled portion of it, a width of land on either side of the travelled
portion, including the inner 2 sides of a divided highway, that
extends,
(a) if there is a fence parallelling the travelled portion that
separates the adjacent lands from the travelled portion, to
the fence,
(b) if there is an identifiable ditch alongside the travelled
portion and there is no fence separating the travelled
portion from the adjacent lands, to the edge of the ditch
that is further from the travelled portion, or
(c) if there is no such fence or ditch, to a distance of 20 feet
from the edge of the travelled portion,
and also includes the whole of the remaining area between the 2
travelled portions of a divided highway at any location where the
distance between the 2 nearest points on the innermost edges of the
2 travelled portions is less than 200 yards.
(3) Subsection (1)(b) does not apply to a person hunting game
birds with a shotgun under the authority of a licence authorizing the
hunting of game birds.
(4) Subsection (1) does not apply with respect to a road that is on
privately owned land and that is maintained for the private use of
the owner or occupant or a road held under any active disposition
under the Public Lands Act or under an order under the Surface
Rights Act.
(5) Subsection (1) does not apply to a person engaged in a wildlife
depredation control program authorized in writing by the Minister.
RSA 2000 cW-10 s51;2004 cH-8.5 s77

Originally Posted by krprice84

But that still hasn't answered the question.....yes I know this thread is old but it was the one that popped up under a Google search. Sorry if that isn't the right way to do things I do apologize.

I'm looking to find out if there is an actual distance or just not "along across or from"? Does that mean I could park myself just on the other side of a ditch beside a highway and shoot away from the highway? Not saying I want to, just using a more extreme example....But again, is there a prescribed distance from the road?

I'm particular my question relates to a range road/township road (two separate instances) where a friend's farm is obviously within a course proximity to the road from which he accesses his farm. He's been shooting on it but when I get my license and rifle I want to make sure I'm within my rights to shoot on his farm with his permission and will not be violating the law

If you are not in an area descibed in the act as being part of the roadway you are fine. Sitting in the ditch of a range road is still part of the road. Get on the other side of the fence and you are good to go as far as being far enough from the road.

[Typical]

Keep in mind that if both side of the road are private property, then you need permission.
So it goes like this

If both side of the road is private property, then from fence to fence which include the ditches and if you don't have permission to shoot pass those fences then you can not shoot

Fence to fence = no shooting
Other side of fence( no permission ) No shooting

Total = NO SHOOTING

[Okotokian]

Originally Posted by krprice84

Does that mean I could park myself just on the other side of a ditch beside a highway and shoot away from the highway?

Yes, if you have permission on that land. Oh, and after you park, you have to get out of the vehicle.

[Who Da Fisherman]

http://www.albertaregulations.ca/tra...-inquiries.htm

[twofifty]

fence to fence = no shooting needs clarifying.

Say I'm standing on the road side of the fence, but steadying the rifle with a fence post... The muzzle is over the fence, onto property for which I have permission to hunt (or onto Crown land). The bullet upon discharge & throughout its flight isn't in the 'no road shooting' zone. The chambered cartridge upon discharge, however, is on the no shooting side of the fence.

Legally good or bad?

[dmcbride]

Originally Posted by twofifty

fence to fence = no shooting needs clarifying.

Say I'm standing on the road side of the fence, but steadying the rifle with a fence post... The muzzle is over the fence, onto property for which I have permission to hunt (or onto Crown land). The bullet upon discharge & throughout its flight isn't in the 'no road shooting' zone. The chambered cartridge upon discharge, however, is on the no shooting side of the fence.

Legally good or bad?

Not sure, But if an anti seen you doing this it would be bad. I always try to do all my hunting away from the public. You never know who is watching. No need to give the anti's more than they already have.

I was out hunting by Whitecourt a few years ago and there was this family on the side of the road taking pictures. We stopped to see what they were taking pictures of. There was a doe and a fawn about 200 yards out in a cut block. Next thing you know another vehicle stops and this guy gets out and shoots the doe. Lets just say the look on the mother of the family said it all.

We as hunters should try and do everything we can to stop this kind of thing from happening.

[Okotokian]

Originally Posted by twofifty

fence to fence = no shooting needs clarifying.

Say I'm standing on the road side of the fence, but steadying the rifle with a fence post... The muzzle is over the fence, onto property for which I have permission to hunt (or onto Crown land). The bullet upon discharge & throughout its flight isn't in the 'no road shooting' zone. The chambered cartridge upon discharge, however, is on the no shooting side of the fence.

Legally good or bad?

Well, what is the ruling if you are sitting in your truck when you take the shot, but the tip of the barrel is out the window. What do you think your chances will be in court with the argument that the shot was actually taken outside the vehicle? LOL

[twofifty]

Originally Posted by dmcbride

.....
No need to give the anti's more than they already have.

.....Next thing you know another vehicle stops and this guy gets out and shoots the doe. Lets just say the look on the mother of the family said it all.

We as hunters should try and do everything we can to stop this kind of thing from happening.

Totally agreed. The visuals above were nasty and showed poor judgement.

[twofifty]

Originally Posted by Okotokian

Well, what is the ruling if you are sitting in your truck when you take the shot, but the tip of the barrel is out the window. What do you think your chances will be in court with the argument that the shot was actually taken outside the vehicle? LOL

I'd expect to be charged and convicted.

If a guy shoots while sitting inside a vehicle, he can not possibly be aware of all that is around him. His visibility is blocked in some directions, esp. wrt things that approach close or alongside the truck.

[FCLightning]

Originally Posted by twofifty

I'd expect to be charged and convicted.

If a guy shoots while sitting inside a vehicle, he can not possibly be aware of all that is around him. His visibility is blocked in some directions, esp. wrt things that approach close or alongside the truck.

That's what you got from Oko's post?

So what if I had a rifle with a 20 foot barrel and I sat in the back of the pickup with a swiveling stool so that I had perfect vision in every direction. The end of my muzzle is on the other side of the fence so I should be legal on both counts. Right?

[pseelk]

Originally Posted by Okotokian

Well, what is the ruling if you are sitting in your truck when you take the shot, but the tip of the barrel is out the window. What do you think your chances will be in court with the argument that the shot was actually taken outside the vehicle? LOL

Would it be ok if you were resting on a pn.?

[dmcbride]

Originally Posted by pseelk

Would it be ok if you were resting on a pn.?

I have heard you need a black dodge dully to do that.

[pseelk]

Originally Posted by dmcbride

I have heard you need a black dodge dully to do that.

Well then,There goes that idea.LOL

[twofifty]

Oko added a motor vehicle to the mix, which presents entirely different material circumstances to what my enquiry is about.

Here's what I asked:
"Say I'm standing on the road side of the fence, but steadying the rifle with a fence post... The muzzle is over the fence, onto property for which I have permission to hunt (or onto Crown land). The bullet upon discharge & throughout its flight isn't in the 'no road shooting' zone. The chambered cartridge upon discharge, however, is on the no shooting side of the fence.

Legally good or bad?"


In BC we can legally shoot as above so long as we are standing at least 15 meters from the travelled portion of a highway-maintained road (these roads are listed in the Provincial Gazette). What matter is where the hunter is standing, not where the muzzle is. If a fence is far enough from the travelled portion of the gazetted road, we need not cross the fence to be legal.

Forest service roads - even those with fencing close by - are not gazetted roads, so you can shoot from them so long as you don't shoot across the FS road.

[Speckle55]

out here most off hi-way roads are held under this and there for can be shot off of

(4) Subsection (1) does not apply with respect to a road that is on
privately owned land and that is maintained for the private use of
the owner or occupant or a road held under any active disposition
under the Public Lands Act or under an order under the Surface
Rights Act.

David

[elkhunter11]

So what if I had a rifle with a 20 foot barrel and I sat in the back of the pickup with a swiveling stool so that I had perfect vision in every direction. The end of my muzzle is on the other side of the fence so I should be legal on both counts. Right?

Unless you have a special permit, you would be illegal, as soon as you loaded the firearm.

[Big Daddy Badger]

Originally Posted by johnnyfly

I have been looking at the regs...can't seem to find how far off the road you have to be to shoot?

About a barrels length past the pool noodle.

[RandyBoBandy]

resting on a fence post Drive your truck into the ditch and use your mirror for a bench rest

[pseelk]

Originally Posted by Big Daddy Badger

About a barrels length past the pool noodle.

Oh so than I was Ok ,Thanks I"ll go with that.

[Big Daddy Badger]

Originally Posted by pseelk

Oh so than I was Ok ,Thanks I"ll go with that.

Ha! I missed that.

Now I'm sad that someone beat me to it.

[pseelk]

Originally Posted by Big Daddy Badger

Ha! I missed that.

Now I'm sad that someone beat me to it.

I"m sure there will plenty of opportunities to get me back.LOL