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Old 09-10-2020, 08:52 PM
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I won't take the vaccine or the flu shot. If this pandemic does run full the cycle the Chinese will develop a new one. Not worth the risk..
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Old 09-11-2020, 01:53 PM
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Vaccine!! For what, this scamdemic??!! Way too many uncertainties or let’s just say lies. Come on people time to get real. So I’ll say not a chance in hell!!
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Old 09-11-2020, 03:36 PM
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Even if my life depends on it, I have no use or want for any intake of a vaccine.
If my times up, I will happily adapt..everyone thinks when this life ends, it all ends. Nope.
This entire world is a farce compared to the coming one.

Movie critic Roger Ebert (in his final days), said it best when he was on his death bed:

"..Roger said that he didn't know if he could believe in God. He had his doubts. But toward the end, something
really interesting happened. That week before Roger passed away, I would see him and he would talk about
having visited this other place. I thought he was hallucinating. I thought they were giving him too much
medication. But the day before he passed away, he wrote me a note: "This is all an elaborate hoax." I asked
him, "What's a hoax?" And he was talking about this world, this place. He said it was all an illusion..."

https://www.esquire.com/entertainmen...final-moments/
God has nothing to do with a vaccine other than you could say God made the brain of the persons who were smart enough to make it. If God said to not listen to science and doctors...the religious would slowly die out.

Science made the wheel also. Wonder where we would be if we never used it...
As for Ebert. Liked his movie reviews.

Someone who says religion dictates you can’t use vaccines is starting to enter the realm of controlling cult.
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Old 09-11-2020, 04:30 PM
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God has nothing to do with a vaccine other than you could say God made the brain of the persons who were smart enough to make it. If God said to not listen to science and doctors...the religious would slowly die out.

Science made the wheel also. Wonder where we would be if we never used it...
As for Ebert. Liked his movie reviews.

Someone who says religion dictates you can’t use vaccines is starting to enter the realm of controlling cult.
Rejecting science = thinning the herd.

Not the worst strategy to get rid of the kooks, conspiracy theorists and crazies.
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Old 09-11-2020, 04:36 PM
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God has nothing to do with a vaccine other than you could say God made the brain of the persons who were smart enough to make it.
This would be true I suppose, if god is real, according to some bible interpreters anyways.
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A. God is all-powerful and causes everything that happens in the world. Nothing happens without His willing it.
So should we be blaming him for this pandemic, or this hoax if it is one, or for the political parties we dislike, or the economic situations that are bad? It seems as though maybe we need to redirect our angers. Oops, I've opened a worm can, time to go grab my bow and try to kill a whitetail.
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Old 09-11-2020, 04:47 PM
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There is a joke that goes something like this:

A guy is drowning. A log is floating by. The guy pushes it away and says “God will save me.” Out of nowhere, an empty boat floats his way. He lets it pass by and says “God will save me.” Then, he sees a cruise ship getting closer, people telling him to come aboard, trying to help. The guy tells them “God has a plan, He’ll help me” and drowns. When he meets the Maker, he says “I really had faith, why didn’t you save me?” The God tells him “Dude, I sent the log, the boat, and the whole cruise ship with hundreds of people trying to get you out of the water.”

Something like that.
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Old 09-11-2020, 06:59 PM
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There is a joke that goes something like this:

A guy is drowning. A log is floating by. The guy pushes it away and says “God will save me.” Out of nowhere, an empty boat floats his way. He lets it pass by and says “God will save me.” Then, he sees a cruise ship getting closer, people telling him to come aboard, trying to help. The guy tells them “God has a plan, He’ll help me” and drowns. When he meets the Maker, he says “I really had faith, why didn’t you save me?” The God tells him “Dude, I sent the log, the boat, and the whole cruise ship with hundreds of people trying to get you out of the water.”

Something like that.
I see we should not further his direction as religion is not an allowable topic.

So yes. For a variety of reason, a few won’t take any vaccine regardless of how it is proved safe.
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Old 09-11-2020, 07:10 PM
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There is a joke that goes something like this:

A guy is drowning. A log is floating by. The guy pushes it away and says “God will save me.” Out of nowhere, an empty boat floats his way. He lets it pass by and says “God will save me.” Then, he sees a cruise ship getting closer, people telling him to come aboard, trying to help. The guy tells them “God has a plan, He’ll help me” and drowns. When he meets the Maker, he says “I really had faith, why didn’t you save me?” The God tells him “Dude, I sent the log, the boat, and the whole cruise ship with hundreds of people trying to get you out of the water.”

Something like that.
You are missing the point
The difference is:
1 the guy is drowning
2 you are healthy, nothing is wrong, there is lots of fearmongering, government wants you to take a vaccine for something that 99% of the people won't die from anyway.
No comparison.
The sheeple probably will take it, the rest of us won't.
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Old 09-11-2020, 07:33 PM
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Last month old Joe died.
He was the blacksmith on one of the colonies.
Had been sick for 15 years.
Diabetes, heart disease, etc..
Cause of death: covid.
We all know that this is bull****, but this is how the system works.
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Old 09-11-2020, 07:46 PM
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Please stop trying to go religious in thread,
my point was that if my immune system is not sufficient, i don't want no part in this vaccine illusion..
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Old 09-11-2020, 08:08 PM
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Please stop trying to go religious in thread,
my point was that if my immune system is not sufficient, i don't want no part in this vaccine illusion..
Hopefully you don't go to a hospital and infect others if you get infected. Man up and deal with it at home.
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Old 09-11-2020, 08:47 PM
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Hopefully you don't go to a hospital and infect others if you get infected. Man up and deal with it at home.
That's how it should be for the people that refuse to wear masks. Refuse to wear a mask today, you'll be refused treatment tomorrow. Deal with this "hoax" on your own at home.
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Old 09-11-2020, 09:00 PM
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That's how it should be for the people that refuse to wear masks. Refuse to wear a mask today, you'll be refused treatment tomorrow. Deal with this "hoax" on your own at home.
And next time you drink a pop or eat a chocolate bar, you're on your own when you have health issues down the road.
People just keep getting whackier over the vid by the day lol
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That's how it should be for the people that refuse to wear masks. Refuse to wear a mask today, you'll be refused treatment tomorrow. Deal with this "hoax" on your own at home.
I would be okay with this if the government would refund my tax dollars for every patient that wore a mask in public, but contracted the virus anyway at a private function or gathering.

I'd retire on my own island, and be virus free forever.
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Old 09-11-2020, 09:05 PM
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People just keep getting whackier over the vid by the day lol
Tell me about it! People calling it a hoax and worried they are going to "lose their rights" over wearing a mask. Goofy stuff!
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Old 09-11-2020, 09:06 PM
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Love it.
I wonder if Ted actually said that...
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Tell me about it! People calling it a hoax and worried they are going to "lose their rights" over wearing a mask. Goofy stuff!
Couple of you keep bringing up this hoax thing? I've yet to see anyone refer to it as a hoax. It's like a liberal losing an argument and pulling the racist or misogynist card.
Who denies there is a virus floating around?
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Love it.
I wonder if Ted actually said that...
It was definitely a very wise man
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Old 09-11-2020, 09:37 PM
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Hopefully you don't go to a hospital and infect others if you get infected. Man up and deal with it at home.
...that's strange, i 'thought' that was the message I have been saying all along..i'll repeat just for you:
"I have no use for vaccines/treatments/chemo concoctions etc, you can have at it all to yourself"...
Will you be able to sleep now..
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Old 09-11-2020, 09:57 PM
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Old 09-11-2020, 10:27 PM
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That's how it should be for the people that refuse to wear masks. Refuse to wear a mask today, you'll be refused treatment tomorrow. Deal with this "hoax" on your own at home.
Exactly. And instead of medical care should be given a tax exemption for keeping the wheels turning. Hide today, pay taxes for it tomorrow.
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Old 09-11-2020, 10:51 PM
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Exactly. And instead of medical care should be given a tax exemption for keeping the wheels turning. Hide today, pay taxes for it tomorrow.
Wouldn't that be nice. I'm assuming the exemption would be for those of us that have not skipped a beat working through this. Nothing to do with people crying about having to wear a mask, right?
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Old 09-11-2020, 11:08 PM
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You are missing the point
The difference is:
1 the guy is drowning
2 you are healthy, nothing is wrong, there is lots of fearmongering, government wants you to take a vaccine for something that 99% of the people won't die from anyway.
No comparison.
The sheeple probably will take it, the rest of us won't.
I actually got the point. See tri’s next post where he makes it clear with vaccine/treatment/chemo etc. That’s what I was referring to. So yes comparison. But to each their own. His choices are cool with me.

Even if I wanted to be first in line to be vaccinated for Covid, I wouldn’t be able to do so because I don’t fit the demographic. It’ll be a while until it gets to be my turn, if anything is ever developed and works. By then, we will see where things are with both, the vaccine and the virus, and how things play out.

I said in one of my previous posts somewhere. I am amazed in the amount of confidence people project about something that we, as humanity, know next to ****-all about. But, again, to each their own. I am cool with that too.

As for sheeple... Lol. And that’s all am going to say.

I am going to make two more posts up in here and then I am (probably) out for another few days or longer, lol.
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Old 09-11-2020, 11:13 PM
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Post number 1:

Even cats are wearing masks. Saw one today when I went for a walk with the kids:



We got a good laugh.
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Old 09-11-2020, 11:21 PM
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Wouldn't that be nice. I'm assuming the exemption would be for those of us that have not skipped a beat working through this. Nothing to do with people crying about having to wear a mask, right?
Ya, for people who keep working through it, maybe a bonus for people who can stop whining over people who won’t wear a mask would be nice too.

I actually know 4 people who have tested positive for covid, do you know anyone?
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Old 09-11-2020, 11:24 PM
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Since all Covid threads are the same, I will put this here rather than elsewhere because I don’t want to look.

There was an article a couple of days ago at CBC talking about the retrospective study they did analyzing over 23,000 samples in Alberta dating back from December 1, 2019 and to March 9, 2020. They only found one (!) positive case out of 23,000. The case dates February 24 and was a person returning from the US. Less than two weeks before the first presumptive case was officially identified on March 5.

I thought it was both cool and important.

CBC: Single 'retrospective' COVID-19 case validates Alberta's response to pandemic, top doctor says
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Old 09-14-2020, 08:44 PM
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Anyone wanna take the chance paralysis?? Again, they're rushing to find a "cure". Vaccines take years to develop and go through PROPER evaluation before being approved. Sure it may "work" but at what cost?

https://www.yahoo.com/news/feds-very...011505758.html

The Food and Drug Administration is weighing whether to follow British regulators in resuming a coronavirus vaccine trial that was halted when a participant suffered spinal cord damage, even as the National Institutes of Health has launched an investigation of the case.

“The highest levels of NIH are very concerned,” said Dr. Avindra Nath, intramural clinical director and a leader of viral research at the National Institute for Neurological Disorders and Stroke, an NIH division. “Everyone’s hopes are on a vaccine, and if you have a major complication the whole thing could get derailed.”

A great deal of uncertainty remains about what happened to the unnamed patient, to the frustration of those avidly following the progress of vaccine testing. AstraZeneca, which is running the global trial of the vaccine it produced with Oxford University, said the trial volunteer recovered from a severe inflammation of the spinal cord and is no longer hospitalized.

AstraZeneca has not confirmed that the patient was afflicted with transverse myelitis, but Nath and another neurologist said they understood this to be the case. Transverse myelitis produces a set of symptoms involving inflammation along the spinal cord that can cause pain, muscle weakness and paralysis. Britain’s regulatory body, the Medicines and Healthcare Products Regulatory Agency, reviewed the case and has allowed the trial to resume in the United Kingdom.

AstraZeneca “need[s] to be more forthcoming with a potential complication of a vaccine which will eventually be given to millions of people,” said Nath. “We would like to see how we can help, but the lack of information makes it difficult to do so.”

Any decision about whether to continue the trial is complex because it’s difficult to assess the cause of a rare injury that occurs during a vaccine trial—and because scientists and authorities have to weigh the risk of uncommon side effects against a vaccine that might curb the pandemic.

“So many factors go into these decisions,” Nath said. “I’m sure everything is on the table. The last thing you want to do is hurt healthy people.”

The NIH has yet to get tissue or blood samples from the British patient, and its investigation is “in the planning stages,” Nath said. U.S. scientists could look at samples from other vaccinated patients to see whether any of the antibodies they generated in response to the coronavirus also attack brain or spinal cord tissue.

Such studies might take a month or two, he said. The FDA declined to comment on how long it would take before it decides whether to move forward.

The Oxford-AstraZeneca COVID-19 Vaccine Was Paused. That’s a Good Thing.

Dr. Jesse Goodman, a Georgetown University professor and physician who was chief scientist and lead vaccine regulator at the FDA during the Obama administration, said the agency will review the data and possibly consult with British regulators before allowing resumption of the U.S. study, which had just begun when the injury was reported. Two other coronavirus vaccines are also in late-stage trials in the U.S.

If it determines the injury in the British trial was caused by the vaccine, the FDA could pause the trial. If it allows it to resume, regulators and scientists surely will be on the watch for similar symptoms in other trial participants.

A volunteer in an earlier phase of the AstraZeneca trial experienced a similar side effect, but investigators discovered she had multiple sclerosis that was unrelated to the vaccination, according to Dr. Elliot Frohman, director of the Multiple Sclerosis & Neuroimmunology Center at the University of Texas.

Neurologists who study illnesses like transverse myelitis say they are rare—occurring at a rate of perhaps 1 in 250,000 people—and strike most often as a result of the body’s immune response to a virus. Less frequently, such episodes have also been linked to vaccines.

The precise cause of the disease is key to the decision by authorities whether to resume the trial. Sometimes an underlying medical condition is “unmasked” by a person’s immune response to the vaccine, leading to illness, as happened with the MS patient. In that case, the trial might be continued without fear, because the illness was not specific to the vaccine.

There’s Good News on the Vaccine Front. Here’s Why You Shouldn’t Get Too Excited.

More worrisome is a phenomenon called “molecular mimicry.” In such cases, some small piece of the vaccine may be similar to tissue in the brain or spinal cord, resulting in an immune attack on that tissue in response to a vaccine component. Should that be the case, another occurrence of transverse myelitis would be likely if the trial resumed, said Dr. William Schaffner, an infectious disease specialist at the Vanderbilt University School of Medicine. A second case would shut down the trial, he said.

In 1976, a massive swine flu vaccination program was halted when doctors began diagnosing a similar disorder, Guillain-Barré syndrome, in people who received the vaccine. At the time no one knew how common GBS was, so it was difficult to tell whether the episodes were related to the vaccine.

Eventually, scientists found that the vaccine increased the risk of the disorder by an additional one case among every 100,000 vaccinated patients. Typical seasonal flu vaccination raises the risk of GBS in about one additional case in every 1 million people.

“It’s very, very hard” to determine if one rare event was caused by a vaccine, Schaffner said. “How do you attribute an increased risk for something that occurs in one in a million people?”

Before allowing U.S. trials to restart, the FDA will want to see why the company and an independent data and safety monitoring board (DSMB) in the U.K. felt it was safe to continue, Goodman said. The AstraZeneca trial in the United States has a separate safety board.

FDA officials will need to review full details of the case and may request more information about the affected study volunteer before deciding whether to allow the U.S. trial to continue, Goodman said. They may also require AstraZeneca to update the safety information it provides to study participants.

It’s possible that the volunteer’s health problem was a coincidence unrelated to the vaccine, said Dr. Amesh Adalja, a senior scholar at the Johns Hopkins Center for Health Security. Studies aren’t usually stopped over a single health problem, even if it’s serious.

U.S. Makes Its Riskiest Bet Yet on a Coronavirus Vaccine

Yet many health leaders have expressed frustration that AstraZeneca hasn’t released more information about the health problem that led it to halt its U.K. trial.

“There is just so little information about this that it’s impossible to understand what the diagnosis was or why the DSMB and sponsor were reassured” that it was safe to continue, Goodman said.

AstraZeneca has said it’s unable to provide more information about the health problem, saying this would violate patient privacy, although it didn’t say how.

But there’s an exceptional need for transparency in a political climate rife with vaccine hesitancy and mistrust of the Trump administration’s handling of the COVID-19 response, leading scientists say.

“While I respect the critical need for patient confidentiality, I think it would be really helpful to know what their assessment of these issues was,” Goodman said. “What was the diagnosis? If there wasn’t a clear diagnosis, what is it that led them to feel the trial could be restarted? There is so much interest and potential concern about a COVID-19 vaccine that the more information that can be provided, the more reassuring that would be.”

The FDA will need to balance any possible risks from an experimental vaccine with the danger posed by COVID-19, which has killed nearly 200,000 Americans.

“There are also potential consequences if you stop a study,” Goodman said.

If the AstraZeneca vaccine fails, the U.S. government is supporting six other COVID vaccines in the hope at least one will succeed. The potential problems with the AstraZeneca vaccine show this to be a wise investment, Adalja said.

“This is part of the idea of not having just one vaccine candidate going forward,” he said. “It gives you a little more insurance.”

Schaffner said researchers need to remember that vaccine research is unpredictable.

“The investigators have inadvisedly been hyping their own vaccine,” Schaffner said. “The Oxford investigators were out there this summer saying, ‘We’re going to get there first.’ But this is exactly the sort of reason … Dr. [Anthony] Fauci and the rest of us have been saying, ‘You never know what will happen once you get into large-scale human trials.’”

KHN (Kaiser Health News) is a nonprofit news service covering health issues. It is an editorially independent program of KFF (Kaiser Family Foundation) that is not affiliated with Kaiser Permanente.
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