Metis hunting rights?

Originally Posted by Rafter

Sheephunter,

I agree that most people on the forum are savvy and read through unsubstantiated rumors and false accusations quickly.

I think we are nearing 400 posts on this thread and it has been cordial, informative and good points given by most. Of course there are differing opinions but that is very understandable. It is good to discuss the differences. Hopefully this will go a long way in bringing us all together and working on a solution that is palatable by all. My father always told me that sometimes each side of a relationship has to give more than 50% to make it work!

Thanks for the reply.

Rafter

Your father was a wise man indeed!

[Sporty]

Originally Posted by Walleyes

Lets not forget one thing,, their hero or mantra if you will was hung for treason in this country as a traitor.. A common criminal that was tried and convicted... Good enough for me...

Which was later rescinded because it was baseless and wrong... Good enough for me.

[walking buffalo]

You forgot this Sporty, same website.

Nice example of selective harvesting. ..lol.

http://www.albertametis.com/MNAHome/...overnment.aspx

The Métis seek rights under two categories, land and resource rights and self-governing rights. The Métis do not advocate sovereignty or separation from Canada. Instead, we desire greater control over our lives within Canada, the same objectives that motivated the 1869 and 1885 resistance struggles.

Land rights would be exercised in the traditional areas of Métis residence in what is considered the Métis Homeland. Ownership of these lands includes use of the land as well as surface and subsurface rights to resources. The Métis seek the opportunity to develop the forests and minerals, and to exercise traditional practices (hunting, fishing, trapping and gathering rights) on crown lands and on other lands to which they are given access. Also, the Métis wish to participate in the development of resources on crown lands adjacent to Métis land, including resource revenue sharing.
The Métis also seek compensation for lands that traditionally belonged to the Métis but were lost in the development of the western provinces.

Métis self-government involves the right to establish local government on a Métis land base, as well as the right to self-governing institutions off a land base. It includes the right of access to sufficient revenues to allow provision of services relevant to the special needs and circumstances of the Métis people on a par with those provided by the federal and provincial governments.


- Métis National Council

[Rafter]

Originally Posted by pottymouth

The more I read, the more bitter I get. No other people in the history of this planet have recieved what the natives of north America have been given. But they continue to bite the hand that feeds them, and cry for more. If the European way of life has taken away from them more than it has given them, why continue to live that way?

Being that this is Canada, and we all live here, why are the scales of oppoturnity, and equality so unbalanced?? Rafter your right this isn't about just hunting, now I'm starting to believe that my family has been cheated out of other things , privliged to a conquered people.

Pottymouth,

I can't say that I disagree with you.

On the light side of things your ancestors weren't necessarily conquering the Indian but in actuality your ancestors were making love to them. Who's fault is it that we have Metis?? Your ancestors and the Indian firstly and then the Metis joined in too.

The Blackfoot throughout history has always blamed the Metis for killing their buffalo in Southern Alberta. They still do blame them today. It is true the Metis killed their buffalo in the 1800's but they also made love to the Blackfoot resulting in more Metis. Jerry Potts is a good example. I digress ever so slightly but I had to get in a dig to the Blackfoot.

Thanks,
Rafter

[Walleyes]

Originally Posted by Sporty

Which was later rescinded because it was baseless and wrong... Good enough for me.

Out of guilt,, not law..

The bases of being politically..

[Sporty]

Originally Posted by walking buffalo

You forgot this Sporty, same website.

http://www.albertametis.com/MNAHome/...overnment.aspx

I didn't forget anything, for one it has nothing to do with the Metis harvesting which we're speaking about here and secondly I think they are ****ing in the wind with that. I doubt none of what you posted will ever happen.

Originally Posted by Walleyes

Out of guilt,, not law..

The bases of being politically..

In your opinion, the facts are that the original trial was unjust and politically motivated and it was proven and that is why he was pardoned. But thanks for proving my point by inferring that Metis are criminals because many considered Riel a hero.

Originally Posted by Sporty

Are you sure it was a Metis that posted or someone stirring up the pot claiming to be Metis? I don't have an issue with valid arguments about this agreement however I do have issues with people making it seem that all Metis or a good number of Metis are dishonest people lacking in integrity and they are going to run out and shoot a ram with the biggest horns they can find. If someone is doing what you determine to be trophy harvesting, call and report them to both Fish and Wildlife and to the MNA, take pictures. I would do the same if I seen this happening, I don't care if they are Metis, these people tarnish the Metis name and then we have assumptions being made here that the Metis have no respect for conservation, want to abuse these rights and are over all dishonest people.

For some reason the links I try to post don't work. People can go to the MNA website and read the harvesting agreement that the MNA has adopted. It really isn't as bad as people are making it out to be.

http://www.albertametis.com/MNAHome/Home.aspx

Sporty, you are correct that I am not certain the person is a Metis but he has represented himself as one here. I must apologize for a bit of praphrasing as well so I went back and found the exact quote.

Every one knows that a Ram tastes better than a Ewe. Everyone knows that there is more meat on a buck than a doe.

What is the definition of Trophy anyways?????

Despite my paraphrasing, I think I captured the essence of the quote but you be the judge.

I'd like to ask again, however, how could a Metis ever be censured for trophy hunting when all he needs to say is that ram tastes better than ewe or there is more meat on a buck than a doe?

I'm not trying to paint all Metis with this brush at all Sporty but we've seen the abuse with the IMHA and we'll see it again if rights are extended beyond the province's interpretation of Powley and no matter how well intentioned, the Metis will be powerless to police their own.

[pottymouth]

I look at all the countries around the world with all the problems they have, and slowly realize that this great nation known as Canada is doomed to suffer the same fate. The french want to leave, the natives want Canada their way, the metis want more, more and more power. Throw in Religion, goverment and race in the mix, we are a time bomb looking for someone stuiped, and not so Canadian polite to light it!

Where's the equality?

[Rafter]

Originally Posted by Sporty

Which was later rescinded because it was baseless and wrong... Good enough for me.

Walleyes,

Louis Riel was and is considered the first Father of Confederation.

He prevented the Americans from coming into what we now call Canada.

He was found guilty of treason in a Kangaroo court. Even though it was a Kangaroo court, the court recommended clemency.

John A. MacDonald, who was a drunk, had him hanged anyways.

Just think about a drunk hanged the First Father of Confederation who kept the Americans from taking Canada into their clutches.

Riel is now considered a hero by most. There is even a large Bronze stautue of him in Regina. Harper even apologized to the Metis in Canada for the racist slurs of Peter Goldring recently and stated that Goldring's views were not supported by the Canadian people.

Thanks,
Rafter

[Sporty]

Originally Posted by Walleyes

Out of guilt,, not law..

The bases of being politically..

Originally Posted by sheephunter

Sporty, you are correct that I am not certain the person is a Metis but he has represented himself as one here. I must apologize for a bit of praphrasing as well so I went back and found the exact quote.



Despite my paraphrasing, I think I captured the essence of the quote but you be the judge.

I'd like to ask again, however, how could a Metis ever be censured for trophy hunting when all he needs to say is that ram tastes better than ewe or there is more meat on a buck than a doe?

I'm not trying to paint all Metis with this brush at all Sporty but we've seen the abuse with the IMHA and we'll see it again if rights are extended beyond the province's interpretation of Powley and no matter how well intentioned, the Metis will be powerless to police their own.

The essence was, he was trying to stir the pot, as you can see his posts are all over the place and he even asked in one how one goes about getting a Metis card. He is not Metis. As for your other questions, I can't answer them to your satisfaction. The Metis I know are good people, many of them haven't bothered with the Harvesting agreement, they still buy their tags. There were instances of abuse with the original IMHA but they weren't wide spread and rampant as its being made out to be. I think its pretty clear that if ram tastes better than an ewe, according to that poster, then any ram will do no? It doesn't have to be a ram with a humongous rack? Wouldn't something like that determine whether a Metis was trophy hunting or not? I'm not being facetious because I don't know anything about trophy hunting nor what is involved and what is considered a trophy animal.

Fight for what you think is right, I fight for what I think is right. I don't participate in the Harvesting agreement but I do take offense to posts such as the one a few above this one that basically called Metis criminals because of their support of Louis Riel. Posts like that are only ruining what was a very intelligent and respectful debate for the most part.

[rugatika]

...to equality. As long as such and such a group is demanding rights different from such and such a group...there's gonna be a fight. This business of treating people differently based on their past heritage is about due for an end.

Affording one person special rights based on who his great great grandparents were is wrong no matter how you slice it. Time to move on. Frankly...I'd be embarassed for arguing that the color of my skin granted me rights above and beyond what others were granted...but then...seems pride is the first thing that gets thrown overboard with some people when there's a free loaf of bread at the end of a stick.

[Walleyes]

Hey,, Just quoting some Canadian history,, not hear say just history as bad as it may be.

He was found a criminal..

As far as knowing the history ,, you have no idea how far it runs for me..

Originally Posted by Sporty

The essence was, he was trying to stir the pot, as you can see his posts are all over the place and he even asked in one how one goes about getting a Metis card. He is not Metis. As for your other questions, I can't answer them to your satisfaction. The Metis I know are good people, many of them haven't bothered with the Harvesting agreement, they still buy their tags. There were instances of abuse with the original IMHA but they weren't wide spread and rampant as its being made out to be. I think its pretty clear that if ram tastes better than an ewe, according to that poster, then any ram will do no? It doesn't have to be a ram with a humongous rack? Wouldn't something like that determine whether a Metis was trophy hunting or not? I'm not being facetious because I don't know anything about trophy hunting nor what is involved and what is considered a trophy animal.

Fight for what you think is right, I fight for what I think is right. I don't participate in the Harvesting agreement but I do take offense to posts such as the one a few above this one that basically called Metis criminals because of their support of Louis Riel. Posts like that are only ruining what was a very intelligent and respectful debate for the most part.

Sporty, I hope as you say that Rafter is not misrepresting himself as a Metis on here. He ceretainly is speaking for the Metis in many of his posts. There is some assumption in my next statement so I will preface with this is just my interpretation but when I read that quote, it sounds like justification to kill trophy animals with no worry of censure. Again, that's just what I read into it. His comments about travelling hundreds of miles in airconditioning to excercise his rights seem to fly in the face of what you are saying as well. I just don't see self policing as effective option.

[walking buffalo]

Originally Posted by Sporty

I didn't forget anything, for one it has nothing to do with the Metis harvesting which we're speaking about here and secondly I think they are ****ing in the wind with that. I doubt none of what you posted will ever happen.

Selective harvesting, Sporty, selective harvesting. You quoted the website to support your opinion, I included the full position of the Metis Association's objectives.

The desired Metis harvesting arrangement is the thin edge of the wedge. Neither of us are too nieve to believe it otherwise.

One side has Flint, the other side has Walleyes....

Originally Posted by pottymouth

I look at all the countries around the world with all the problems they have, and slowly realize that this great nation known as Canada is doomed to suffer the same fate. The french want to leave, the natives want Canada their way, the metis want more, more and more power. Throw in Religion, goverment and race in the mix, we are a time bomb looking for someone stuiped, and not so Canadian polite to light it!

Where's the equality?

The joy of our constitution. We have just begun to feel it's effects. Citizens are broken up into several classes, non citizens have rights to financial support greater than citizens, criminals are set free......

[IR_mike]

Originally Posted by Rafter

Walleyes,

Louis Riel was and is considered the first Father of Confederation.

He prevented the Americans from coming into what we now call Canada.

He was found guilty of treason in a Kangaroo court. Even though it was a Kangaroo court, the court recommended clemency.

John A. MacDonald, who was a drunk, had him hanged anyways.

Just think about a drunk hanged the First Father of Confederation who kept the Americans from taking Canada into their clutches.
Riel is now considered a hero by most. There is even a large Bronze stautue of him in Regina. Harper even apologized to the Metis in Canada for the racist slurs of Peter Goldring recently and stated that Goldring's views were not supported by the Canadian people.

Thanks,
Rafter

Louis Riel was a member of the North West Mounted Police?

Would you explain this please?

[rugatika]

Originally Posted by Rafter

Walleyes,

Louis Riel was and is considered the first Father of Confederation.

He prevented the Americans from coming into what we now call Canada.

He was found guilty of treason in a Kangaroo court. Even though it was a Kangaroo court, the court recommended clemency.

John A. MacDonald, who was a drunk, had him hanged anyways.

Just think about a drunk hanged the First Father of Confederation who kept the Americans from taking Canada into their clutches.

Riel is now considered a hero by most. There is even a large Bronze stautue of him in Regina. Harper even apologized to the Metis in Canada for the racist slurs of Peter Goldring recently and stated that Goldring's views were not supported by the Canadian people.

Thanks,
Rafter

God forbid we fell under the clutches of the evil American constitution crafted by geniuses and lovers of liberty, rather than the Canadian constitution...crafted by a power hungry socialist. (Trudeau)

Just because I'm curious...what exactly would the terrible outcome be if Alberta were an American state rather than a Canadian province????

[walking buffalo]

Originally Posted by Rafter

The Metis government of Alberta have the authority to regulate and enforce the Metis in Alberta. The authority was given unanimously by all the members of the Metis in Alberta to the Metis Government at their 79th Assembly in St. Paul, Alberta..

Their Harvesting Policy is on their website if you are interested in reading it.

Thanks,
Rafter

authority to regulate and enforce the Metis in Alberta: Is there documentation of this authority available to the public? Will you provide the link if it is available?

Harvesting Policy: Do you mean the expired IMHA?
http://www.albertametis.com/getdoc/5...f9df/IMHA.aspx
http://www.albertametis.com/MetisRig...ghts-FAQs.aspx

[wwbirds]

We are always going to have a difference of opinion on such a delicate subject. We have several sides making good points and being civil and respectfully offering their opinions. That is good.
We also have a few wingnuts who are not open to any views except their own and that is OK as well.
The moment you mention trophy animals on a sustenance hunt people will get their backs up and I for one don't think that is the intent of "hunting rights" for aboriginals. People spends years waiting for that ram or bulll elk tag to participate in fair chase with like minded individuals and I fully understand that being one of those that chases "wall hangers" with a difficult priority.
Remove the word trophy and a few who abuse the system or are rumored to and we are back to a very good debate with some very intelligent arguments both for and against not only an expansion but whether any special rights are deserved at all.
You all know I believe aboriginals and to the same extent Metis deserve extra hunting priveleges for sustenance purposes if they tend to live off the land to any extent.
Lets get back to the original question on sustenance and remove the "trophy" word as I don't think a true sustenance hunter wants a tough old bull or ram for food even if it is bigger.
How many deer (most abundant sustenance animal in alberta) are harvested in Alberta by natives and Metis and is that an impact on sport hunting when the populations seems to be strong (and too many in some areas).
How many deer are killled annually by traffic across the province.
Let's apply the same logic we tend to use about gun control saying it is inappropriate to punish 99% of the population with unecessary controls when less than 1% of guns are used in crime.
Even if there are a few abusing rights is it not wiser to deal with the problem hunters abusing sustenance hunting than label all as potential poachers.
We all know how it feels to be labeled potential criminals because we own firearms do we really want to paint all native hunters with that brush?
Rob

[Walleyes]

One side has Flint, the other side has Walleyes....

With all do respect I am in no way like Flint..

I for all other than blood am a Metis and understand the fight better than most.

Here is a bit of MY history with Native peoples..

First of all I love them and their history in this country,, and that is the NATIVES of this country..

Second my history runs very deep with the Natives and the Metis of our province.. Just a quick run down so you know where I am coming from. I was raised in a sawmill site 30 miles north of Lac La biche between Imperial Mills and Heart Lake the only friends I knew until the time I was 13 years old were Metis and Natives. My wife of 23 years has 2 uncles and families of metis decent whom still run active, heritage Metis trap lines. My wife's brother, my only brother inlaw whom I love with all my heart married a beautiful in all aspects a Metis girl and had 2 beautiful metis children whom are my nieces and nephews. My hunting partner and nephew married a Metis girl and had uncle 3 beautiful metis girls,, My oldest son just this spring married a Metis women and they will be raising Grandpa some Metis Grandchildren..Now do I have some room to talk about Metis in this country ??

I speak from the heart when I speak and I speak for the majority of level minded Metis when I say they do not want this agreement to go through,, they want nothing to do with it.. All they want to be is part of society and not to be singled out..

Well done you azz holes you are doing your best to separate us..

[walking buffalo]

wwbirds,

Can't find any internet links for you... A general practice in calculating big game harvestable populations available is to work with an anticipated kill ratio of 1:1:1 for aboriginal harvest:licenced harvest:illegal harvest.

Walleyes, thanks for the post, except the azz part. That's a comparable feature we all share, but only a few of us show it.

[Arn?Narn.]

Originally Posted by Walleyes

First of all I love them and their history in this country,, and that is the NATIVES of this country..


I speak from the heart when I speak and I speak for the majority of level minded Metis when I say .

when you say this????

I could give a damn what happened 200 years ago and what the metis did 200 years ago.. Do me a favour and tell me what hey did the last 200 years then we have a conversation..

I can real feel your love for their history...

and this...

more and more of the poor, poor us attitude its just never going to end with these people

and this...

Racism is alive and doing well in this country and its my rite to feel contempt and to have a total lack of respect for a race of people that have none for me.. They keep pushing this thing its going to get ugly.. They lost a war once it will happen again... Lets get it on.

and this...

Oh I think we had the odd scuffle with the natives and the half breeds as well.. I seem to recall a little place called Frog Lake !!!!

and on and on...

who did you claim you speak for again?

[Walleyes]

Originally Posted by Arn?Narn.

when you say this????





I can real feel your love for their history...

and this...



and this...



and this...



and on and on...

who did you claim you speak for again?

Just a little old white guy trying to eek out a living in an Indian's world..

[Sporty]

Originally Posted by Walleyes

I speak from the heart when I speak and I speak for the majority of level minded Metis when I say they do not want this agreement to go through,, they want nothing to do with it.. All they want to be is part of society and not to be singled out..

Well done you azz holes you are doing your best to separate us..

Sorry but you can't speak on behalf of anyone other than yourself, certainly not the majority of "level headed Metis" because I'm quite certain that a majority of them might have actually taken offense with some of the posts you've made about the Metis in this thread.

Selective harvesting, Sporty, selective harvesting. You quoted the website to support your opinion, I included the full position of the Metis Association's objectives.

Selective? I quoted from the Harvesting agreement because it pertains to this thread but I included the link to the MNA main website. Quite frankly, I haven't read the other stuff that you posted because I have no interest in it, I don't think the Metis will get what they are seeking, to me it is null. Please don't try to infer that I'm misleading anyone from the link that I posted. What you quoted as absolutely NIL to do with the harvesting agreement we're discussing here.

Sporty, I hope as you say that Rafter is not misrepresting himself as a Metis on here. He ceretainly is speaking for the Metis in many of his posts. There is some assumption in my next statement so I will preface with this is just my interpretation but when I read that quote, it sounds like justification to kill trophy animals with no worry of censure. Again, that's just what I read into it. His comments about travelling hundreds of miles in airconditioning to excercise his rights seem to fly in the face of what you are saying as well. I just don't see self policing as effective option.

I don't know what you want me to say. People have it set in their minds that the Metis are going to abuse this right and nothing is going to change their minds. And while we're at it, Hey Rafter, are you Metis? Please cleaer this up for us. If not please don't speak on behalf of the Metis people. We have enough Metis politicians doing that already.

[Arn?Narn.]

Originally Posted by Walleyes

Just a little old white guy trying to eek out a living in an Indian's world..

I for all other than blood am a Metis and understand the fight better than most.

Here is a bit of MY history with Native peoples..

First of all I love them and their history in this country,, and that is the NATIVES of this country..

Second my history runs very deep with the Natives and the Metis of our province.. Just a quick run down so you know where I am coming from. I was raised in a sawmill site 30 miles north of Lac La biche between Imperial Mills and Heart Lake the only friends I knew until the time I was 13 years old were Metis and Natives. My wife of 23 years has 2 uncles and families of metis decent whom still run active, heritage Metis trap lines. My wife's brother, my only brother inlaw whom I love with all my heart married a beautiful in all aspects a Metis girl and had 2 beautiful metis children whom are my nieces and nephews. My hunting partner and nephew married a Metis girl and had uncle 3 beautiful metis girls,, My oldest son just this spring married a Metis women and they will be raising Grandpa some Metis Grandchildren..Now do I have some room to talk about Metis in this country

You make very odd comments ... how about next time, before you try and BS your way into presenting yourself as a representative of a people which you feel you have the "right to have contempt for their race", you just shut up, or stick to the one position which you have illustrated time and time again,..."the right to have contempt for their race"

[Walleyes]

Contempt for their race ?? I have more understanding of the race than you want to accept or underswtand.. I want equality that's all.

[Arn?Narn.]

Originally Posted by Walleyes

Contempt for their race ?? I have more understanding of the race than you want to accept or underswtand.. I want equality that's all.

No. you said contempt for their race,,...your words not mine...

and based on your posts, you have little understanding...

I have very strong ties as well,...but would never make comments like yours..

[ishootbambi]

Originally Posted by Rafter

Walleyes,

John A. MacDonald, who was a drunk, had him hanged anyways.

Just think about a drunk hanged the First Father of Confederation who kept the Americans from taking Canada into their clutches.

Riel is now considered a hero by most. There is even a large Bronze stautue of him in Regina. Harper even apologized to the Metis in Canada for the racist slurs of Peter Goldring recently and stated that Goldring's views were not supported by the Canadian people.

Thanks,
Rafter

so in your opinion macdonald was a drunk who did something dumb. in the eyes of many, ralphie with his love of liquor did something dumb with the IMHA.

as for harper....wouldnt it be great if politicians actually did represent the will of the people. a fine example is the gun registry.

so....where has boss442 been today? i was sure looking forward to him admitting what i said yesterday was the truth.

as for the truth in what the two metis initiating the court case really want.....go to the guys house and ask him why the elk mounted on the wall are up there. they were after all taken under the guise of subsistence, so why mounts and not cut them up into knife handles and such. same with the 185ish mule buck taken just after christmas that year by his kid.

as far as traditional ways.....what did the white settlers do for food and shelter here? they lived off the land as hunters and trappers, and did it before the metis even existed. the truth is they are asking not for fair equal treatment....but special treatment. now thats a BS story!

[pottymouth]

Originally Posted by walking buffalo

The joy of our constitution. We have just begun to feel it's effects. Citizens are broken up into several classes, non citizens have rights to financial support greater than citizens, criminals are set free......

Originally Posted by ishootbambi

as far as traditional ways.....what did the white settlers do for food and shelter here? they lived off the land as hunters and trappers, and did it before the metis even existed. the truth is they are asking not for fair equal treatment....but special treatment. now thats a BS story!

I'm a happily married ,heterosexual, caucasian ,Christian ,healthy,middle class, male under 40 yrs old. I don't smoke or do drugs, I fish and hunt, and eat all types of meat, I've never been on E.I, or WCB but pay into them through taxes. I don't have any piercings or tattos. I've never been to prison or charged. I own guns, trucks and a house. I bowhunt, play sports, and love the outdoors. I live in Canada.

I also face the most discrimination and negative stereotypes in my country.
I never bitch about it, and take the abuse that is handed to me, some of my laws fail to protect me................................................ .............All I want, is to be treated equally, and have the same rights as the so called " minorities." in my country. I am an Albertan ,and a Canadian. This is how I feel.

Thank you.

[echo]

Originally Posted by ishootbambi

so in your opinion macdonald was a drunk who did something dumb. in the eyes of many, ralphie with his love of liquor did something dumb with the IMHA.

as for harper....wouldnt it be great if politicians actually did represent the will of the people. a fine example is the gun registry.

so....where has boss442 been today? i was sure looking forward to him admitting what i said yesterday was the truth.

as for the truth in what the two metis initiating the court case really want.....go to the guys house and ask him why the elk mounted on the wall are up there. they were after all taken under the guise of subsistence, so why mounts and not cut them up into knife handles and such. same with the 185ish mule buck taken just after christmas that year by his kid.

as far as traditional ways.....what did the white settlers do for food and shelter here? they lived off the land as hunters and trappers, and did it before the metis even existed. the truth is they are asking not for fair equal treatment....but special treatment. now thats a BS story!

They probly thought we ordered pizza !

[echo]

Originally Posted by pottymouth

I'm a happily married ,heterosexual, caucasian ,Christian ,healthy,middle class, male under 40 yrs old. I don't smoke or do drugs, I fish and hunt, and eat all types of meat, I've never been on E.I, or WCB but pay into them through taxes. I don't have any piercings or tattos. I've never been to prison or charged. I own guns, trucks and a house. I bowhunt, play sports, and love the outdoors. I live in Canada.

I also face the most discrimination and negative stereotypes in my country.
I never bitch about it, and take the abuse that is handed to me, some of my laws fail to protect me................................................ .............All I want, is to be treated equally, and have the same rights as the so called " minorities." in my country. I am an Albertan ,and a Canadian. This is how I feel.

Thank you.

X2