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[ResidentSpokesman]

Originally Posted by dmcbride

Correct me if I am wrong, but aren't AFGA and ACA land the same thing?

Not to the best of my knowledge (but I could be wrong). If you open the link there are ACA responses to AFGA proposed resolutions. Unless I've missed something I doubt they're one in the same....

[MathewsArcher]

Originally Posted by ResidentSpokesman

Then there's this gem:

FISHERIES RESOLUTION NUMBER F-14-2017
BE IT RESOLVED THAT the Alberta Fish and Game Association request that the Government of Alberta disclose the number of Walleye tags available in each lake and each class prior to the beginning of the annual draw application process.


Do none of their members have internet access?

The number of tags changes yearly and is not available until you view the summary report at conclusion of the draw as far as I am aware. Although, I'm still not sure of the reason for the resolution as one has a pretty good idea of allocations based on previous years.

[ResidentSpokesman]

Exactly the same as hunting draws. And like hunting draws, if you look at the previous years summary it's not hard to figure out how likely you are to be drawn.

Seems like they're trying to fix somethimg that is in great working order....

[ResidentSpokesman]

Originally Posted by dmcbride

Correct me if I am wrong, but aren't AFGA and ACA land the same thing?

After doing some very brief research, it appears that the AFGA occupies one chair on the ACA board of directors. Probably not enough to do any real damage.

[Okotokian]

Originally Posted by residentspokesman

. Probably not enough to do any real damage.

lol

[fish_e_o]

Originally Posted by ResidentSpokesman

Exactly the same as hunting draws. And like hunting draws, if you look at the previous years summary it's not hard to figure out how likely you are to be drawn.

Seems like they're trying to fix somethimg that is in great working order....

i'd like to know if they're going to cut tags in my area for hunting. or even if they're going to expand the number.


that would be really useful information. why don't you think so?

[ResidentSpokesman]

At the moment, the information is made available very shortly after the draws take place. For me personally that's more than good enough. But I do see your point. In cases of signifigant changes in tag numbers it would be nice to know the number before putting draws in. That said, in over 30 years of hunting and utilizing the draw system year after year, I've always known which tags I'm "definitely" going to get, which ones I "might" get (along with an accurate idea of what % of my pool will get tags. For example, last year my Father had a 70% chance of pulling a Moose tag. So I was prepared for either outcome) and which tags are going to take X number of years before I'll get them.

Some things won't ever be a sure thing. I'm perfectly happy with this asect of our draw system myself. But that's just me. We've all got our own ideas

[fish_e_o]

Originally Posted by ResidentSpokesman

At the moment, the information is made available very shortly after the draws take place. For me personally that's more than good enough. But I do see your point. In cases of signifigant changes in tag numbers it would be nice to know the number before putting draws in. That said, in over 30 years of hunting and utilizing the draw system year after year, I've always known which tags I'm "definitely" going to get, which ones I "might" get (along with an accurate idea of what % of my pool will get tags. For example, last year my Father had a 70% chance of pulling a Moose tag. So I was prepared for either outcome) and which tags are going to take X number of years before I'll get them.

Some things won't ever be a sure thing. I'm perfectly happy with this asect of our draw system myself. But that's just me. We've all got our own ideas

let me understand here. you think it would be a good idea and useful. but you'd rather take a run at AFGA than admit that.

tell me where they touched you

[Bergerboy]

Not sure why some of you guys are taking the AFGA to task? They are only going forward with recommendations of their membership. Nothing they are doing is from their own agenda.

[bobalong]

Originally Posted by gloszz

So does that mean the area is good? I hunt in one of the areas as well and get permission from the hutterites without issues, be it they dont want to scout a damn for me haha. Three of those WMU's are next to each other, so I figure its a "waterfowl" mine

The fact that the outfitters set up in that area sort of confirms it is a great area for waterfowling and has been for decades. Years ago my cousin used to work in the area for F/W putting out scare cannons, to keep the birds off farmers fields.

The government also had farmers plant "lure crops" for them where there was no hunting allowed, these fields were just to lure the birds away from the farmers fields.

[nube]

Originally Posted by bobalong

The fact that the outfitters set up in that area sort of confirms it is a great area for waterfowling and has been for decades. Years ago my cousin used to work in the area for F/W putting out scare cannons, to keep the birds off farmers fields.

The government also had farmers plant "lure crops" for them where there was no hunting allowed, these fields were just to lure the birds away from the farmers fields.

lol Where do you come up with this stuff? The Govt paid farmers to plant crops to feed birds? At the cost of what a farmer makes per quarter section I find this tough to believe. You would cost tax payers miilions of dollars to feed ducks and geese.
Cannons work good for the field they are in and then they go to the one beside it from what I have seen. Kinda why I havn't seen a cannon being used for years.
Ya it's a good area. So is the whole central Alberta Flyway lol If I wanted to pick a spot to hunt in Alberta for birds my main thing would be to look somewhere far enough fro the city to get away from the weekend warriors. It's going to be a good year and tons of birds for everyone

[Pikebreath]

Originally Posted by nube

lol Where do you come up with this stuff? The Govt paid farmers to plant crops to feed birds? At the cost of what a farmer makes per quarter section I find this tough to believe. You would cost tax payers miilions of dollars to feed ducks and geese.

Nube, you had better do some background checking,,, it has been several years since I have heard of this actually being done,,, but yes,,, there were a handful of "lure bait stations" specifically for waterfowl in order to keep them out of neighbouring farmer's fields.

In fact there is still reference to this in our current bird game hunting regulations.

GAME BIRD

It is unlawful to:

8. hunt game birds within 400 m (1/4 mi.) of a baited lure area operated under the Crop Damage Control Program.

[nube]

Ive heard of stuff like what they do at the powerplants for late season birds and feed stations but he's making it sound like they grow fields of crops which would cost a huge amount of money. I would really be surprised if they spent millions to feed birds.

[nube]

Here is some good info. The last reported info on feed stations is as far back as 2009.
There was only one Lure Crop in the province at this time and is no longer used. Probably again because of cost. and as they state sporadic use from waterfowl and it was of no use.
I added the quote below and the link. Sounds kind of like they wanted to do this for upland birds more so than waterfowl but I could have missread.


"4.1 Provision of alternate feed
We informed ASRD (Provincial Bird Game Specialist and District Fish and Wildlife
offices), Ducks Unlimited Canada, Bow River Irrigation District and Raymond Irrigation
District about the suspension of feeding operations in 2009.**WCDPP coordinators did not
receive any inquiries from the public regarding suspension of feeding activities in 2009.***
We have operated a single waterfowl lure crop at Prouty Lake on an ACA conservation
site for many years but the lure crop has received sporadic use by waterfowl.**In 2009, we
contracted a local producer to convert the cultivated area to permanent cover.**This area
will now be managed as upland wildlife habitat by the ACA Land Management team."
http://www.ab-conservation.com/downl...ary_Report.pdf

The maps kinda give you an idea of where the good hunting is and like I said the whole Central Alberta is about as good as it gets and up in the Peace areas also.

Here is a lot of reports and good info if interested
http://www.ab-conservation.com/progr...ge-prevention/

[fish_e_o]

Originally Posted by nube

Here is a lot of reports and good info if interested
http://www.ab-conservation.com/progr...ge-prevention/

holy crap if you poke around there you can see their budget is almost nothing! i'm not surprised it's not doing anything

[nube]

Originally Posted by fish_e_o

holy crap if you poke around there you can see their budget is almost nothing! i'm not surprised it's not doing anything

I think if you are ever going to do anything for wildlife it takes a lot of people behind it and a lot of money to make it work from what I have seen in the past. Govt usually never seems to spend what it needs to for wildlife to get things in order. Also there are so many people that think so different nobody will be on the same page to actually get something done right. It's easy to see why our wildlife is such a mess in Alberta

[ResidentSpokesman]

Originally Posted by fish_e_o

let me understand here. you think it would be a good idea and useful. but you'd rather take a run at AFGA than admit that.

tell me where they touched you

It's too bad you felt the need to make it personal and tried to start a fight. Hopefully some day sooner than later we all stop attacking each other and work together. Have a great season 👍

[Pikebreath]

Originally Posted by nube

Ive heard of stuff like what they do at the powerplants for late season birds and feed stations but he's making it sound like they grow fields of crops which would cost a huge amount of money. I would really be surprised if they spent millions to feed birds.

Just for curiosity's sake,,, where do you think the barley came from for the feed stations if it was not grown by a farmer?

Interesting links,, btw,,, thanks for posting.

[bobalong]

Originally Posted by Pikebreath

Nube, you had better do some background checking,,, it has been several years since I have heard of this actually being done,,, but yes,,, there were a handful of "lure bait stations" specifically for waterfowl in order to keep them out of neighbouring farmer's fields.

In fact there is still reference to this in our current bird game hunting regulations.

GAME BIRD

It is unlawful to:

8. hunt game birds within 400 m (1/4 mi.) of a baited lure area operated under the Crop Damage Control Program.

I wouldn't expect any other kind of comment from the likes of him. These lure crops were being planted probably 40 years ago, probably before the SA was even born.

[nube]

Originally Posted by Pikebreath

Just for curiosity's sake,,, where do you think the barley came from for the feed stations if it was not grown by a farmer?

Interesting links,, btw,,, thanks for posting.

Do you think they would go through all that much feed from a feed station compared to countless quarter sections across Alberta to accomplish the task?
Those feed stations don't go through all that much grain. Probably a big reason why they stopped doing it.. it just doesn't do the job