B.C. Hypocrite

[Suzukisam]

Bc does not want oil pipe line. Green Party leader arrested at protest of pipeline what a joke they don’t give a crap about environment If they did, they would not have thier poop pipeline dumping sewage into the ocean. Speak out don’t let them keep doing this.

[gerrygoat]

It's the nuts around Victoria and Vancouver, many of the rest of us who aren't from down there don't agree one bit with them. I would love to see the supply cut off somewhere in the Fraser Valley and see how long they virtue signal after that..........

[wildbill]

Originally Posted by Suzukisam

Bc does not want oil pipe line. Green Party leader arrested at protest of pipeline what a joke they don’t give a crap about environment If they did, they would not have thier poop pipeline dumping sewage into the ocean. Speak out don’t let them keep doing this.

Not mention what those farmed salmon canneries dump into the ocean, the Fraser river ain’t no environmental show piece neither, littered with garbage in its lower reaches from derby reach all the way to delta and Richmond, and if you want yer vehicles broken into, look no further than Stanley park, and all those humongous tankers, yup they’re great for the environment. I’m all for Savin the environment, but, protesters who wouldn’t make it a day without petroleum products, trying to shut down pipelines, beat it, go away, when you ain’t relying on, then we’ll talk, people out there have such a delusional view on reality, but if I smokin 20 doobies a day I probably would too!

[stubblejumper01]

So Ms. May lives on Salt Spring Island. Don't you need a diesel powered ferry to get there? Oh wait she probably uses a helicopter to get to her protests.
We can't live in this country without fossil fuels and all the related byproducts we get from them
All our food is produced and delivered with fossil fuels.
There is not a viable alternative at this time.
It's extremely disturbing that a person elected to uphold the laws of this country would intentionally break them to keep her face in the news. The pipeline has passed all the hurdles and needs to go forward

[Sloughsharkjigger]

Surely this whole pipeline issue must go beyond a few protesters... think big picture. Why would world wide controllers let a insignificant producer get their product to market?

[dgl1948]

BC dumps more sewage into fresh water systems than any other province. BC ships 6,000,000 ton of coal to China each year. Maybe they should start by cleaning their act first.

[farmer23]

Well that's about the only way that Lizzy May can make people remember she's still in politics. Getting arrested protesting or getting drunk and mouthing off on a podium about Khadr. Good work lady!!

[wildbill]

Originally Posted by dgl1948

BC dumps more sewage into fresh water systems than any other province. BC ships 6,000,000 ton of coal to China each year. Maybe they should start by cleaning their act first.

Sorry, forgot about the coal

[elk396]

Just a question, if this pipeline is approved, what is the holdup? I don't understand why the equipment just doesn't start laying pipe? Does anyone on here know what has stopped it? And how it is stopped if already approved?

[stubblejumper01]

Originally Posted by elk396

Just a question, if this pipeline is approved, what is the holdup? I don't understand why the equipment just doesn't start laying pipe? Does anyone on here know what has stopped it? And how it is stopped if already approved?

John Horgan had to oppose it to get the Green's support so he could be premier.
The city of Burnaby are trying some court challenges.
The Tides Foundation are stirring up Indigenous groups like they did for Northern Gateway.
And finally Trudeau is more focused on pushing through his cannabis legalization than the pipeline..once he got Rachel Notley to impose the carbon tax on us he lost interest.. Plus his puppet master, Gerald Butts wants to end the fossil fuels industry by 2050.

[I-Love-Eyes]

Now John Horgan has promised tax cuts to the LNG
plant at Kitimat. https://biv.com/article/2018/03/bc-g...aks-lng-canada

[bat119]

Memories of the "water protectors" at standing rock



The only oil that got into the river was from the abandoned vehicles

[MyAlberta]

Originally Posted by wildbill

Sorry, forgot about the coal

Be careful what you wish for

[thumper]

And what portion of BC that was once rich valley bottom with free-flowing salmon rivers, that are now reservoirs, managed for hydro-power production - much of it which is sold to the US? How does that BC environmental destruction compare to the oilseeds tailings ponds?

Coal, oil, natural gas, hydro - and Canada's only provincial capital that still pipes it's sewerage directly into the ocean (Victoria only has 'primary' treatment that screens the lumps out). BC has nothing to be smug about.

[britman101]

One of the biggest hypocrites has to be Premier Horgan, as he is now offering tax incentives for a liquified natural gas plant to be built in Kitimat. If it goes through hope the Greens bring down the minority government as they are threatening to. Would mean going back to the polls for BCers but this clown Horgan needs to be shown the door.

[I-Love-Eyes]

Originally Posted by britman101

One of the biggest hypocrites has to be Premier Horgan, as he is now offering tax incentives for a liquified natural gas plant to be built in Kitimat. If it goes through hope the Greens bring down the minority government as they are threatening to. Would mean going back to the polls for BCers but this clown Horgan needs to be shown the door.

Yeah! See post #11

[wildbill]

Originally Posted by MyAlberta

Be careful what you wish for

I’m all for coal

[Bigbuzz]

If there were a refinery at the end of that pipeline I would say that made sense for Canada. As it stands this pipeline as well as the others represents the expedited Rape of our resources. No one want to talk about the export of many good paying refinery and other jobs that are going overseas. If the refineries were in Canada we would have at least some measure of control over the pollution and environmental consequences.
The export of raw materials from our country does not make economic sense, WHY can't Albertans or Trudeau figure it out ??

[HoytCRX32]

Originally Posted by Bigbuzz

If there were a refinery at the end of that pipeline I would say that made sense for Canada. As it stands this pipeline as well as the others represents the expedited Rape of our resources. No one want to talk about the export of many good paying refinery and other jobs that are going overseas. If the refineries were in Canada we would have at least some measure of control over the pollution and environmental consequences.
The export of raw materials from our country does not make economic sense, WHY can't Albertans or Trudeau figure it out ??

Tell your coal industry that.

[dmcbride]

Originally Posted by Bigbuzz

If there were a refinery at the end of that pipeline I would say that made sense for Canada. As it stands this pipeline as well as the others represents the expedited Rape of our resources. No one want to talk about the export of many good paying refinery and other jobs that are going overseas. If the refineries were in Canada we would have at least some measure of control over the pollution and environmental consequences.
The export of raw materials from our country does not make economic sense, WHY can't Albertans or Trudeau figure it out ??

I would rather see Alberta supply raw product to the world then countries with no environmental regulations or reporting.

[PartTimeHunter]

Originally Posted by Bigbuzz

If there were a refinery at the end of that pipeline I would say that made sense for Canada. As it stands this pipeline as well as the others represents the expedited Rape of our resources. No one want to talk about the export of many good paying refinery and other jobs that are going overseas. If the refineries were in Canada we would have at least some measure of control over the pollution and environmental consequences.
The export of raw materials from our country does not make economic sense, WHY can't Albertans or Trudeau figure it out ??

That is easy/fine to say, but, the hoops a company would have to go through to get approval to build a refinery make it all but impossible now, up and down stream assessments of carbon footprint sh...stuff. Then there are the nimby's that will protest it and the pipeline needed to bring feed stock to it. Factor in the escalating costs of power and fuel to operate, the rising/punitive taxes on business.... what do you expect?

[Bigbuzz]

Do you think China or India has environmental standards and it is OK to ship raw materials to them so it can be processed and to dump the pollutants there?
Leave the tar sands where they are along with the coal until better methods can be found to process them.
Trudeau and his 1500$ a plate dinner parties with the Asians is nothing more than political corruption at work. Our resources are being given away so the 1% of the world can stay fat.
Lets process our own raw materials and employ our own citizens.
Once upon a time we had a manufacturing industry that developed many products and to now sell our raw materials to the Chinese who have no respect for patent law, human rights or much else is pathetic.

[dmcbride]

Originally Posted by Bigbuzz

Do you think China or India has environmental standards and it is OK to ship raw materials to them so it can be processed and to dump the pollutants there?
Leave the tar sands where they are along with the coal until better methods can be found to process them.
Trudeau and his 1500$ a plate dinner parties with the Asians is nothing more than political corruption at work. Our resources are being given away so the 1% of the world can stay fat.
Lets process our own raw materials and employ our own citizens.
Once upon a time we had a manufacturing industry that developed many products and to now sell our raw materials to the Chinese who have no respect for patent law, human rights or much else is pathetic.

Do you think the countries that will supply China if we don't have environmental regulations?

FYI,

There are 13 oil fields in California, plus crude oil blends originating in at least six other countries, that generate a higher level of upstream greenhouse gas emissions than Canadian dilbit blends.

As for your other argument about manufacturing and developing are own resources, the carbon tax, taxes and red tape are the reasons for that. Investment is fleeing Canada.

[NCC]

Originally Posted by Bigbuzz

If there were a refinery at the end of that pipeline I would say that made sense for Canada. As it stands this pipeline as well as the others represents the expedited Rape of our resources. No one want to talk about the export of many good paying refinery and other jobs that are going overseas. If the refineries were in Canada we would have at least some measure of control over the pollution and environmental consequences.
The export of raw materials from our country does not make economic sense, WHY can't Albertans or Trudeau figure it out ??

Do some research on the new refinery at Redwater and let us know what you come up with.

I don't see anything hypocritical about the premier shutting down pipelines, increasing the carbon tax, and complaining about high gasoline prices all in the same week.

[Bigbuzz]

Let China source the raw materials elsewhere. Enforce patent law and give industry here a chance to compete. When the USA is providing tax incentives and other options to industry of course they will migrate south. We witnessed that during the Mulroney years and now Trump has started the same thing.
I agree that the taxes and red tape are punitive in our country. Neither gov't nor oil industry want to see cheap oil prices but the price of oil effects all aspects of our lives. We are a resource rich country and the citizens should not be held ransom by multi national oil companies and gov't that have become dependant on oil generated tax revenues.
Transportation costs of goods(particularly bulk goods) have made it difficult for many businesses to succeed, the demise of our railways and the failure of gov't to upgrade highways ( road tax revenues going to general revenues )has left us in a bad spot.
As far a carbon tax goes, a joke. Our carbon footprint would amount to peanuts in the scope of things, all 35 million of us versus millions of Chinese, Indian, etc. It is another tax.
As I stated, build a refinery at the end of the pipeline and I will gladly pay the $1.50-$2.00/liter. I don't want our raw materials going to China.

[Sundancefisher]

Originally Posted by dmcbride

I would rather see Alberta supply raw product to the world then countries with no environmental regulations or reporting.

Not to mention we would make far more money selling oil to the world market at world prices.

That money then can benefit Canada.

[Sundancefisher]

Originally Posted by dmcbride

I would rather see Alberta supply raw product to the world then countries with no environmental regulations or reporting.

Agreed. He doesn’t realize that as well as:

If we don’t sell to them dowe he believe no one else will?

Does he feel we should not buy any oil from the Middle East or Venezuela? They have very poor human right and environmental legislation.

[Bigbuzz]

is the world price of oil not controlled by a small number of wealthy individuals and corporations? ie we'll turn off the tap till prices go up to the desired level?

[Sundancefisher]

Originally Posted by PartTimeHunter

That is easy/fine to say, but, the hoops a company would have to go through to get approval to build a refinery make it all but impossible now, up and down stream assessments of carbon footprint sh...stuff. Then there are the nimby's that will protest it and the pipeline needed to bring feed stock to it. Factor in the escalating costs of power and fuel to operate, the rising/punitive taxes on business.... what do you expect?

True. If a company could make it work to make money they would do it.

Also having an inland refinery to produce exports makes no sense for Alberta. Then it means building on the coast.

Not a battle anyone would try in Canada.

[Sundancefisher]

Originally Posted by Bigbuzz

is the world price of oil not controlled by a small number of wealthy individuals and corporations? ie we'll turn off the tap till prices go up to the desired level?

To explain supply and demand economics in a thread would be hard. Best you read up on the fundamentals.

What you are suggesting is impossible for oil and gas.