32 Winchester Special BULLETS

[ramonmark]

I am loading for my 32 Winchester Special and I just realised that I want newer looking/performing ammunition. I have heard many good things about the Hornady 165grain FTX. Does anyone know where I can get them here in Alberta?

[Elkhunting]

I also load my old .32 special for my model 94. It seems as though the only thing available has been flat-nosed 170gr.

Isn't the FTX the flex-tip as used in the Hornady factory LeverEvolution ammo? I may be mistaken, I will do a little more snooping, but I believe Hornady does not yet sell those bullets as reloading components.

They do now sell the loaded LeverEvolution ammo for the .32 Winchester. I have shot a lot of those in 30-30 and my results in that rifle have been spectacular. The bad news is they don't sell the new powder formulation as a component either.

If you find out they are selling those flex tips, please let me know!

[Elkhunting]

I did check the Hornady site, and, as I suspected, they do not offer that .321 FTX except in factory LeverEvolution loads. 165 grain.

I am going to get some for my 32, because the performance in the 30-30 was unbelievable. Red hot trajectory and excellent groups.

I just wish I could reload them, as this factory ammunition is very pricey. I don't know what the secret propellent in them is, but it does leave a large amount of powder residue in the bore, a surprisingly large amount.

For hunting though, with the 30-30 and the practically identical .32, its worth it to get dependable 200 and 300 yard performance!

[ramonmark]

My original goal was to just gut the factory ammo for the bullet, but if they are expensive like you said, and accurate. I may just have to use them as them are. Have you found a paticular place you are shopping at that carries the hornady 32 flex-tip ammo? Please let me know, I'd love to get my hands on a box or 2!

[twofifty]

A 200 to 300yd .30-30 rifle with the LeverEvolution factory loading?
That is amazing performance.

Elkhunting, what kind of numbers does the Hornady loading put out?

[munyee4321]

Originally Posted by twofifty

A 200 to 300yd .30-30 rifle with the LeverEvolution factory loading?
That is amazing performance.

Elkhunting, what kind of numbers does the Hornady loading put out?

30-30 160gr leverevelution

Velocity (fps) / Energy (ft-lbs)
Muzzle 100yd 200yd 300yd
2400/2046 2150/1643 1916/1304 1699/1025

Trajectory (inches)
Muzzle 100yd 200yd 300yd
-1.7 3.0 0.2 -12.1

[Dick284]

Originally Posted by munyee4321

30-30 160gr leverevelution

Velocity (fps) / Energy (ft-lbs)
Muzzle 100yd 200yd 300yd
2400/2046 2150/1643 1916/1304 1699/1025

Trajectory (inches)
Muzzle 100yd 200yd 300yd
-1.7 3.0 0.2 -12.1

Is that calculated after chronongraphing the ammo?

Or is that just factory ammo spec????

Remember most 30/30's have 20" bbls, and most factory ammo is quoted with 24" bbl's.

In other words dont believe everything you read.

[Elkhunting]

Originally Posted by Dick284

Is that calculated after chronongraphing the ammo?

Or is that just factory ammo spec????

Remember most 30/30's have 20" bbls, and most factory ammo is quoted with 24" bbl's.

In other words dont believe everything you read.

Those are the factory specs. I can tell you, after burning nearly 300 rounds in a marlin 336, the performance at the range agreed with the specs precisely as far as the trajectory data. We did not chronograph, but if trajectory jives, then so must velocity.

Bad news is that after burning 15 boxes of LeverEvolution 30-30, I am now bankrupt.

[Elkhunting]

Originally Posted by ramonmark

My original goal was to just gut the factory ammo for the bullet, but if they are expensive like you said, and accurate. I may just have to use them as them are. Have you found a paticular place you are shopping at that carries the hornady 32 flex-tip ammo? Please let me know, I'd love to get my hands on a box or 2!

I have bought all mine on the US side, from Cabelas and from Sandpoint Outfitters. I did look at the Hornady site for dealers in Calgary and Edmonton, and they showed the following list. However, Hornady cautions that due to the Obama effect, they are running shifts around the clock and still cannot keep up with the demand for ammunition and components, so that they are also having difficulty keeping retailers in supply as well.

P&D Enterprises
10552 115th Street
Edmonton, Alberta T5H 3K6

Pro-Line Shooter II Inc.
1426-9th Ave SE
Calgary, Alberta T2G0T5
403-265-6666

Russel Sporting Goods
128-8228 Macleod Trail South
Calgary, Alberta T2H 2B8

Wholesale Sports Calgary
225-58th Ave SE
Calgary, Alberta T2H 0N8

Wholesale Sports Edmonton
126-10 St Albert Trail
Edmonton, Alberta T5L 4L5

[munyee4321]

Originally Posted by Dick284

Is that calculated after chronongraphing the ammo?

Or is that just factory ammo spec????

Remember most 30/30's have 20" bbls, and most factory ammo is quoted with 24" bbl's.

In other words dont believe everything you read.

Factory specs for factory ammo i will guess as you said its quoated for a 24" barrel

as for there loading data for the 30-30 they used a winchester 94 with a 20
barre with a l 1 in 10 twist

and they listed 3 max loads that produced the fastest velocity of 2100fps

[Elkhunting]

Originally Posted by munyee4321

Factory specs for factory ammo i will guess as you said its quoated for a 24" barrel

as for there loading data for the 30-30 they used a winchester 94 with a 20
barre with a l 1 in 10 twist

and they listed 3 max loads that produced the fastest velocity of 2100fps

But of course there is no loading data for the LeverEvolution in either 30-30 or 32 Special because neither the propellant nor bullet is available as components. The powder was developed specifically for use in these applications by Hornady. The increases in velocity and energy were the objectives.

[munyee4321]

Originally Posted by Elkhunting

But of course there is no loading data for the LeverEvolution in either 30-30 or 32 Special because neither the propellant nor bullet is available as components. The powder was developed specifically for use in these applications by Hornady. The increases in velocity and energy were the objectives.

sure there is where do you think i got the informations from... there is none for the 32special thats true but for everything else there is...

you should get updated before replyiing ftx bullets are available in reloading components as of the the spring of 2009. They may not be available in canada yet but there sure as heck are in the states. This information as been out since late 08 on their website. The reloading data for the last 2 months or so

Heck they even got the GMX out already aswell in reloading components

http://www.hornady.com/ballistics/ft...ading_data.php

[Elkhunting]

Originally Posted by munyee4321

sure there is where do you think i got the informations from... there is none for the 32special thats true but for everything else there is...

you should get updated before replyiing ftx bullets are available in reloading components as of the the spring of 2009. They may not be available in canada yet but there sure as heck are in the states. This information as been out since late 08 on their website. The reloading data for the last 2 months or so

Heck they even got the GMX out already aswell in reloading components

http://www.hornady.com/ballistics/ft...ading_data.php

Well, sure enough, Hornady will offer the .30 cal FTX though it is not available anywhere, and presumably will ultimately offer it in .32. I did find listings for it at Cabelas and MidwayUSA, but in both cases not available. They will turn up someday.

And that is a step forward, though to get the rest of the way we will also want the propellant, for as you correctly pointed out, the velocities with existing powders do not reach LeverEvolution levels.

We cannot overemphasize what the Obama rush has done to producers like Hornady, who have been absolutely overwhelmed with demand for everything ammunition and component related. My local retailer hasn't been able to get any brand of primers for weeks.

Scrolling through large online sites, the number of "out of stocks" is incredible.

[ramonmark]

Thanks for all the info guys, I will keep my eyes peeled!

[mcniel]

What kind of dies do you guys have for the .32 special? I haven't been able to find any in Calgary.