Crossbow range day

[Stinky Coyote]

Gotcha, I'm on it...

http://www.huntingbc.ca/forum/showth...kills-with-one

A quick google turns up this real quick...good read from hunters in BC where crossbow allowed and many guys who hunt with them along with compounds and recurves giving opinion to the question on the tools effectiveness.

So of the provinces in Canada that run the crossbow as just another bow we have;

BC
Ontario
NWT
Quebec (most zones)
PEI
Nunavet
Nova Scotia

And just like in the bazillion states they r allowed, and the provinces they r allowed...they r just another bow.....yet somehow Alberta will be impacted so hugely they shouldn't be allowed? Total crock potty, like BC doesn't have really diverse game and terrain etc. Don't get me wrong, pretty awesome province but we somehow we r so fragile and extra special diverse that the crossbow becomes some evil mass killing machine? Just can't buy into to that potty. One of the provinces with caribou down east won't allow the use of crossbow on caribou...everything else yes...anyhow, just an example, worried about antelope or sheep? Don't use em there if concern...so not like there aren't plenty of ways or species this tool can't fit in no sweat....but they got muleys, elk and sheep in BC and listen to what their own guys with actual hunt experience say in thread above...I remember reading same stuff everywhere they play together...it's just another bow option.

[pottymouth]

Originally Posted by Stinky Coyote

Gotcha, I'm on it...

http://www.huntingbc.ca/forum/showth...kills-with-one

A quick google turns up this real quick...good read from hunters in BC where crossbow allowed and many guys who hunt with them along with compounds and recurves giving opinion to the question on the tools effectiveness.

So of the provinces in Canada that run the crossbow as just another bow we have;

BC
Ontario
NWT
Quebec (most zones)
PEI
Nunavet
Nova Scotia

And just like in the bazillion states they r allowed, and the provinces they r allowed...they r just another bow.....yet somehow Alberta will be impacted so hugely they shouldn't be allowed? Total crock potty, like BC doesn't have really diverse game and terrain etc. Don't get me wrong, pretty awesome province but we somehow we r so fragile and extra special diverse that the crossbow becomes some evil mass killing machine? Just can't buy into to that potty. One of the provinces with caribou down east won't allow the use of crossbow on caribou...everything else yes...anyhow, just an example, worried about antelope or sheep? Don't use em there if concern...so not like there aren't plenty of ways or species this tool can't fit in no sweat....but they got muleys, elk and sheep in BC and listen to what their own guys with actual hunt experience say in thread above...I remember reading same stuff everywhere they play together...it's just another bow option.

Wait! Why don't they use them for caribou? Why not use them on sheep and antelope , if concerned?

Why? What's the concern? What's the reason?

I think you just proved my point! ..........Extra advantages...... That's why. ...thx


And again, just from a quick glance at the BC regs, it looks like they got some pretty short bow seasons. Defiantly not close to Alberta's lengths..... Essentially buddy, your saying you would be ok with a reduced archery season, just to include a xgun. Like your examples of Ohio and Bc.... Do you read their regs before you use them as examples??

Nothing out there is like Alberta

[Sledhead71]

Originally Posted by pottymouth

Wait! Why don't they use them for caribou? Why not use them on sheep and antelope , if concerned?

Why? What's the concern? What's the reason?

I think you just proved my point! ..........Extra advantages...... That's why. ...thx


And again, just from a quick glance at the BC regs, it looks like they got some pretty short bow seasons. Defiantly not close to Alberta's lengths..... Essentially buddy, your saying you would be ok with a reduced archery season, just to include a xgun. Like your examples of Ohio and Bc.... Do you read their regs before you use them as examples??

Nothing out there is like Alberta

Potty,

They are just tools, the operator of the tool will dictate the outcome of the hunt..

As we all know, skill of the operator is near 95% or better of the success rate of archery / stick slinging.

If you look at most regions that introduced the crossbow in archery season, the first couple years show and increase in participation but later the number level off to where they originally were..

Simply a craze where some will jump on the band wagon and soon realize that this tool don't provide them a slam dunk and move on..

Increased opportunity may help preserve our passion and voice when it comes to our community.. Here is where I see the advantage, not a disadvantage.

[58thecat]

Originally Posted by Sledhead71

Potty,

They are just tools, the operator of the tool will dictate the outcome of the hunt..

As we all know, skill of the operator is near 95% or better of the success rate of archery / stick slinging.

If you look at most regions that introduced the crossbow in archery season, the first couple years show and increase in participation but later the number level off to where they originally were..

Simply a craze where some will jump on the band wagon and soon realize that this tool don't provide them a slam dunk and move on..

Increased opportunity may help preserve our passion and voice when it comes to our community.. Here is where I see the advantage, not a disadvantage.

Very well said

[pottymouth]

Originally Posted by Sledhead71

Potty,

They are just tools, the operator of the tool will dictate the outcome of the hunt..

As we all know, skill of the operator is near 95% or better of the success rate of archery / stick slinging.

I've always said that too! , no problems there.

If you look at most regions that introduced the crossbow in archery season, the first couple years show and increase in participation but later the number level off to where they originally were..

Got any examples? With actual facts?

Simply a craze where some will jump on the band wagon and soon realize that this tool don't provide them a slam dunk and move on..

Increased opportunity may help preserve our passion and voice when it comes to our community.. Here is where I see the advantage, not a disadvantage.

How? There isn't a recruitment problem of bowhunters in Alberta, unlike some of the other states that implemented xguns.

The argument here is nothing more than....A xgun is not a bow and doesn't belong in the archery season!

Archery/ Bow is defined as implements that are held by hand, drawn by hand and released by the motion of the hand in the presence of game. If you are shooting a xgun, you are not drawing the string in the presence of game. . It is not bowhunting

[58thecat]

Originally Posted by pottymouth

The argument here is nothing more than....A xgun is not a bow and doesn't belong in the archery season!

Archery/ Bow is defined as implements that are held by hand, drawn by hand and released by the motion of the hand in the presence of game. If you are shooting a xgun, you are not drawing the string in the presence of game. . It is not bowhunting

Not very well said

[pottymouth]

Originally Posted by Sledhead71

Potty,

If you look at most regions that introduced the crossbow in archery season, the first couple years show and increase in participation but later the number level off to where they originally were..

.

Ohio Harvest stats

2005-............33658

2006-.............38489

2007-.............42292

2008-............46480

2009-............49065

Other states are all showing comparable harvest stats. which I can provide!

Which leads the question....

Are the harvest numbers by xgun hunters increasing, in the usa, especially according to stats in the last 6 years... Because, (a) the weapon has serious advantages? or (b) Is there a substantial increase in xgun hunters?

[58thecat]

Originally Posted by pottymouth

Ohio Harvest stats

2005-............33658

2006-.............38489

2007-.............42292

2008-............46480

2009-............49065

Other states are all showing comparable harvest stats. which I can provide!

Which leads the question....

Are the harvest numbers by xgun hunters increasing, in the usa, especially according to stats in the last 6 years... Because, (a) the weapon has serious advantages? or (b) Is there a substantial increase in xgun hunters?

Nope just an increase in archery in general thus the increase in harvest

[pottymouth]

Originally Posted by 58thecat

Nope just an increase in archery in general thus the increase in harvest

those are only Xgun stats, no other archery included! Nice try!

[58thecat]

Originally Posted by pottymouth

those are only Xgun stats, no other archery included! Nice try!

Ahhh crossbow success rates very impressive, they must have an influx of deer like we have gophers in southern Alberta

[jryley]

Originally Posted by pottymouth

those are only Xgun stats, no other archery included! Nice try!

once again potty. Stop using your self initiated 'xgun' moniker. Have some respect for the guys that do use the weapon.

Should we start using a description such as assisted bow when describing a compound?

[Sledhead71]

Originally Posted by pottymouth

Ohio Harvest stats

2005-............33658

2006-.............38489

2007-.............42292

2008-............46480

2009-............49065

Other states are all showing comparable harvest stats. which I can provide!

Which leads the question....

Are the harvest numbers by xgun hunters increasing, in the usa, especially according to stats in the last 6 years... Because, (a) the weapon has serious advantages? or (b) Is there a substantial increase in xgun hunters?

Hey Man,

I hope you realize that crossbows have been legal in Ohio's archery season since 1984...

Ohio averages about the same rate of harvests from the stick and string crowd to the bolt people...

You will always have the same amount of any participants, it is a matter of a simply shift of weapon if available.

P.S. I must add, obviously the advantage of each weapon is in the skill of the holder as the harvest rates between both are almost identical

[pottymouth]

Originally Posted by Sledhead71

Hey Man,

I hope you realize that crossbows have been legal in Ohio's archery season since 1984...

Ohio averages about the same rate of harvests from the stick and string crowd to the bolt people...

You will always have the same amount of any participants, it is a matter of a simply shift of weapon if available.

P.S. I must add, obviously the advantage of each weapon is in the skill of the holder as the harvest rates between both are almost identical

xgun bow % difference

2005-............33658 26432 12%

2006-.............38489 29423 14%

2007-.............42292 36347 8%

2008-............46480 39376 10%

2009-............49065 42481 6%

Those don't look like almost identical stats to me.... That's straight from their stats. Those are % that I would deem almost identical!

[58thecat]

Originally Posted by pottymouth

xgun bow % difference

2005-............33658 26432 12%

2006-.............38489 29423 14%

2007-.............42292 36347 8%

2008-............46480 39376 10%

2009-............49065 42481 6%

Those don't look like almost identical stats to me.... That's straight from their stats. Those are % that I would deem almost identical!

Crossbows are more popular it seems

[Sledhead71]

Originally Posted by pottymouth

xgun bow % difference

2005-............33658 26432 12%

2006-.............38489 29423 14%

2007-.............42292 36347 8%

2008-............46480 39376 10%

2009-............49065 42481 6%

Those don't look like almost identical stats to me.... That's straight from their stats. Those are % that I would deem almost identical!

The stats you post show an average 10% increase in cross bow harvest vs. bows.. Very close ( almost identical ) as we do not know the actual numbers for both...

Assuming what you have preached on how much easier the cross bows are to pick up and hunt with, I assumed a slight increase in cross bow hunters than bows..

If this cross bow device has such an advantage over what you classify as archery gear, I would think the numbers would reflect this, it does not.

[CNP]

Originally Posted by Stinky Coyote

Gotcha, I'm on it...

http://www.huntingbc.ca/forum/showth...kills-with-one

A quick google turns up this real quick...good read from hunters in BC where crossbow allowed and many guys who hunt with them along with compounds and recurves giving opinion to the question on the tools effectiveness.

So of the provinces in Canada that run the crossbow as just another bow we have;

BC
Ontario
NWT
Quebec (most zones)
PEI
Nunavet
Nova Scotia

And just like in the bazillion states they r allowed, and the provinces they r allowed...they r just another bow.....yet somehow Alberta will be impacted so hugely they shouldn't be allowed? Total crock potty, like BC doesn't have really diverse game and terrain etc. Don't get me wrong, pretty awesome province but we somehow we r so fragile and extra special diverse that the crossbow becomes some evil mass killing machine? Just can't buy into to that potty. One of the provinces with caribou down east won't allow the use of crossbow on caribou...everything else yes...anyhow, just an example, worried about antelope or sheep? Don't use em there if concern...so not like there aren't plenty of ways or species this tool can't fit in no sweat....but they got muleys, elk and sheep in BC and listen to what their own guys with actual hunt experience say in thread above...I remember reading same stuff everywhere they play together...it's just another bow option.

Stinky. Factual facts please.

PEI. LOL. There is no big game hunting in PEI. So, while I credit you on this fact, I take away any credit with the fact that there is no big game on the island.

Nova Scotia. Wrong again. Use of crossbows by certified hunters is legal for hunting all species that may be harvested with a bow or firearm except during the Special Open Seasons for Bowhunting.

Quebec. Has restrictions on the use of a crossbow.

USA. Most states do not allow unrestricted use of a crossbow.

Fact of the matter is: The majority of provinces in Canada do not support unrestricted use of crossbows. The majority of states in the USA do not support unrestricted use of crossbows.

Why?

[HunterDave]

Originally Posted by ehntr

PEI. LOL. There is no big game hunting in PEI. So, while I credit you on this fact, I take away any credit with the fact that there is no big game on the island.

I recall that Stinky said crossbows are allowed, not allowed for big game. It could be that you can use them for yotes, geese, etc? Just sayin'.......

[jryley]

Originally Posted by HunterDave

I recall that Stinky said crossbows are allowed, not allowed for big game. It could be that you can use them for yotes, geese, etc? Just sayin'.......

My close friend is fresh to alberta from PEI. there is big game hunting in PEI. what a dumb post. Not yours dave, EHNTR's

[Lefty-Canuck]

What do they classify as big game?

LC

[BuckCuller]

YOU GUYS ARE STILL GOING AT IT?!
BAHAHAHAHA!
It's like watching the national championships of tug of war for a month.

[pottymouth]

Originally Posted by jryley

My close friend is fresh to alberta from PEI. there is big game hunting in PEI. what a dumb post. Not yours dave, EHNTR's

Tell me who your friends are, and I'll tell you who you are!

Do you actually think before you talk, or just open your mouth to listen to yourself?

If your buddy is big game hunting in pei.... Your friend is a poacher....

Read the pei regs...do some research...google can be your friend.

You kill me, Jrolly

Lmao



For stinky and jrolly

http://www.gov.pe.ca/forestry/summary. ( under hunting and trapping summary)

http://www.gov.pe.ca/photos/original/AF_HuntSum12.pdf


Canada goose is the biggest big game for hunting

Fox and yote for trapping...

What was fresh off the island poach..err hunting?

[CNP]

Originally Posted by jryley

My close friend is fresh to alberta from PEI. there is big game hunting in PEI. what a dumb post. Not yours dave, EHNTR's

Nice response. Feeling humble now? Obviously not humble enough to take back your insult.

In case anyone else is misguided by your comment......there is no big game in PEI .

[CNP]

I believe that there are only two provinces in Canada (ON and BC) where there are no restrictions on crossbows in a dedicated archery season for big game. Although Nunavut and NWT allow hunting with crossbows, I could find no reference to an archery season. Correct this if I am wrong.

The USA pretty much follows suit with that too. The majority of states do not allow unrestricted use of a crossbow.

I find myself on the side of the majority. Align yourself with whatever side of the debate you want, that is how the world works. Just stop with the lies and insults.