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Old 04-07-2020, 09:31 AM
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Hopefully I got this straight. Dave you said in a previous post this is how the fha prices to the puzzle are broken down
ď FHA auction fees = 11%
Drumming = $1 per coyote pelt
Shipping = $12, and
Currency exchange = 1% (Which doesn't actually cost you anything, you buy CD$ with US$ at the posted rate)Ē

To my thinking itís actually closer to 12.5% then
11% fees
1$/pelt for drumming which on 200$ coyote is .5%
And the currency exchange 1%
=12.5% with that figuring.

I do know that whatever the current exchange rate was is what we got at nafa, not what it would cost you to go buy Canadian with US at the bank.

If market said 1.32 or 1.31 or 1.34 thatís what showed up and we got paid for at nafa. Fha has always been different in that way. If exchange is 1.31 you get 1.29 or so, unless that has changed now but to my sources it hasnít.

I also know my furs at auction Havnt sold and my ones I took to a buyer are sold and paid well for.
You forgot the $12 shipping but it doesn't matter.

The fact is that no one can say what percentage you'll pay in auction fees without knowing how many coyote pelts you put into auction, how many sold and what they sold for. The $12 for shipping is going to be a much different percentage if you ship 10 pelts or 100 pelts.

Likewise with drumming fees......You used a $200 pelt to come up with a .5% drumming fee while Marty used a $100 pelt to come up with his 1%. Ya see how that works?

Anyway, I'm burning daylight and I gotta get a start on my day drinking.
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Old 04-07-2020, 09:31 AM
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... not that itís a bad thing, every business needs to make money. Just for comparative purposes and arguments sakes.
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Old 04-07-2020, 10:43 AM
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Sorry for the derail but Marty if I place a large order through your store do you offer some type of free shipping like halfords does?
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Old 04-07-2020, 10:57 AM
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You forgot the $12 shipping but it doesn't matter.

The fact is that no one can say what percentage you'll pay in auction fees without knowing how many coyote pelts you put into auction, how many sold and what they sold for. The $12 for shipping is going to be a much different percentage if you ship 10 pelts or 100 pelts.

Likewise with drumming fees......You used a $200 pelt to come up with a .5% drumming fee while Marty used a $100 pelt to come up with his 1%. Ya see how that works?

Anyway, I'm burning daylight and I gotta get a start on my day drinking.
Well I left out the 12$ shipping because it only really matters if you only send in a few furs. The unknown is so great due to the amount of fur sent in with the shipping thatís why I left it out but I knew Iíd be questioned on it.

As for drumming and all my figurings I used a 200$ coyote because you keep talking about these 200$ coyotes you have so I figured it was fitting.

I guess the big thing here is your stance is that you loose 11% and only 11% on your auction sold fur that is not the case all those other costs and money taken off affects your end result and even more so for the guys that only send in 10,15,or 30 furs or coyotes whatever. But I guess technically speaking yes your commission fees are 11% but in the eyes of a seller all the other things are a fee as well.
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Old 04-07-2020, 11:24 AM
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Whatís this $12 shipping. Iíve shipped furs for years and never had to pay anything for shipping.
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Old 04-07-2020, 11:35 AM
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Whatís this $12 shipping. Iíve shipped furs for years and never had to pay anything for shipping.
With fha you have a flat fee of 12$ to ship doesnít matter how many bags u have.

With Nafa Iím not sure what shipping would have been without having a wfsc membership. Pay 125$ and your good for 5 years doesnít matter how many bags or how many times you ship and you got 3% back on your commission.

Are you talking about sending fur to nafa or fha?
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Old 04-07-2020, 12:46 PM
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I believe that the only option is FHA.
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Old 04-07-2020, 12:54 PM
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I believe that the only option is FHA.
What I was asking was were you talking about shipping for years to nafa or fha and not paying for shipping.

If it was fha Iím not sure why you wouldnít have paid any shipping.
If it was nafa then is it because you were charged to be part of wfsc then you wouldnít pay after that itís a one time charge for 5 years.
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Old 04-07-2020, 12:55 PM
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Marty is correct.
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Old 04-07-2020, 01:16 PM
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With fha you have a flat fee of 12$ to ship doesnít matter how many bags u have.

With Nafa Iím not sure what shipping would have been without having a wfsc membership. Pay 125$ and your good for 5 years doesnít matter how many bags or how many times you ship and you got 3% back on your commission.

Are you talking about sending fur to nafa or fha?
I was told by Mary that FHA was waving the shipping fee if you shipped through the ATA.
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Old 04-07-2020, 01:40 PM
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Results are posted
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Old 04-07-2020, 01:54 PM
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Results are posted
Oh..... do not look good.
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Old 04-07-2020, 02:20 PM
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Considering only the crappy coyotes sold for 80us that ain't bad. I sold a little raccoon for 25 cents now that's bad.
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Old 04-07-2020, 03:22 PM
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Amazed they sold anything at all with a global pandemic on.

My prices where down about 20% and averaged a 50% clearance.

Considering the state of the world I will take it.

Rest of my fur is in the freezer.


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Old 04-07-2020, 03:28 PM
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According to my math, I only sold 38 % of my coyotes and 0% of the damn fox that ran into my snares. People freezing their current batch of dogs, are you wrapping them individually in plastic or in bundles?
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Old 04-07-2020, 04:09 PM
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Have mine dryed ready to go so just put them in the freezer pressed between cardboard.

If thatís wrong someone let me know. First year Iím carrying over dried pelts.


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Old 04-07-2020, 04:22 PM
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Having trouble finding auction results.
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Old 04-07-2020, 04:32 PM
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Only personal results for now.
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Old 04-07-2020, 09:31 PM
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Anybody git a $165 USD kiyute?? If you did, condider yourself the winner. Unless they PT the top lot yet?

Davey, did you?

No idea what colour, must have been a I or a I-II. Could have been from anywhere
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Old 04-08-2020, 12:35 AM
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A whopping 13 of my coyotes sold. Two GOOD II A-B, two II A-D and all 9 of my DGD. Those were the only coyotes that had a grade with an A in it. I guess that A graded Yotes were preferred. Unfortunately, they are mainly all dark around here. The only silver lining besides all my DGD Yotes selling is getting a $46 average for them......Iíll take that all day long.

Zero fox sold.....5 of 7 muskrats sold......7 of 10 beavers sold (Iím not sure why half of them graded Eastern )

I was hopeful for the auction results but not very optimistic given that it was an online auction that they threw together at the last minute. Hopefully, for the next auction they can, at the very least, ship out sample pelts to buyers like NAFA did last year. Obviously, buyers being able to inspect the fur would be best but iím Not sure thatíll happen anytime soon.
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Old 04-08-2020, 09:05 AM
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Dave was that $46 Canadian or US? What did you get for your rats and beavers?
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Old 04-08-2020, 11:30 AM
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Dave, what do you mean by DGD?
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Old 04-08-2020, 12:05 PM
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Dave was that $46 Canadian or US? What did you get for your rats and beavers?
US$.

Muskrat was put in for a young fella that I was mentoring. He averaged $2.10 on 5 DGD L pelts. The two unsold are 2XL.

Beaver......Three 2XL and four L = $12.64. Three XL unsold.

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Dave, what do you mean by DGD?
DGD is low end Damaged fur (rubs, weak shoulders, etc) that still have commercial value. Amount of damage varies. See DEFECTS in the link.

https://www.furharvesters.com/pdf/gradingterm.pdf

It would be nice if FHA added the appropriate abbreviations in the description. Maybe add G, R or BDLY along with the DGD. I'd also like to see them adding a G for GOOD II instead of just II. It's probably in the Remarks column in the catalogue for fur buyers like with NAFA. I suppose that you can figure it out by the selling price though.
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Old 04-08-2020, 12:33 PM
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Thatís for clearing that up for me.
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Old 04-09-2020, 10:03 AM
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Had a friend of mine sell 14 coyotes and a fox to Halfords yesterday. She is just starting out and is still fairly inexperienced in the ways of the fur buying world. She got $700 for the lot. Another buddy of mine saw her coyotes before she sold them, and said there were some $160 dogs in that bunch.
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Old 04-09-2020, 11:45 AM
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Trigger hear you but last years $160 yotes are probably $80 yotes now with loss of NAFA and on-line FHA sales to limited Corona market. Also Canada Goose sewing masks now instead of high end park's.
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Old 04-09-2020, 01:19 PM
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Not good trigger. Fox was not worth anything. So averaged $50 per coyote. Dave averaged $65 for his damaged coyotes at the sale.
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