Brown bear with handgun

[JD848]

Originally Posted by ram crazy

Kinda like the native lady that shot the record grizzly in the head multiple times with a .22 cal. Where were those ethics?

Bella was being stalked by a bear 3 feet away sniffing them out ,she shot out of fear hoping to scare him away plus save her and her sister.

[270person]

I'm headed up to Kodiak to shoot one of these big boys at 200 yds further than I should. Taking ultra hot reloads I cooked up that might pop primers but hey, I'll be carrying a crf rifle so no need to sweat a primer dropping into the action. Anyone want to accompany me?

Pack light. You won't even have to carry a heavy rifle. Just bring a bow, your Go Pro, and lots of Ramen. Maybe a handgun if you're so inclined. I've got the rest covered.

[vanslays]

Here is a story on Bella Twins grizzly from 1953.

https://www.ammoland.com/2017/06/bel...#axzz7rojEi9Ws

Seems a far cry from what these folks on social media did.

[dave99]

Watched the video a couple times and am a bit torn up about it.

On the one hand, they own that mistakes were made and they outline what they should have done better to avoid the situation. Good on them.

On the other hand, they REALLY hype up the social media aspect of it. Look no further than the “WE ALMOST DIED” embossed on the teaser picture as well as the drooling reverences for the sidearm that eventually dispatched the bear. This video is click-bait on steroids, and they know it.

In my opinion, these are elite hunters that are pushing hard to promote their hunting for gain more than the trophy and meat itself. When likes, views and subscriptions to their channel translate to dollar bills, temptation and mistakes are more easily committed.

Also, I think it is tasteless and crass to show minutes of video of a severely wounded bear. As a hunter, it pains me to see such long suffering. Not that I have never lost a wounded animal, but posting such a length of video on a public platform is off-putting and a stain on the hunting community to sell this as humility and lesson-learning.

The fact that the video is so polarizing will play to their advantage in terms of views. But in terms of promotion of our sport in the eyes of the public, it is a definite negative. No matter how much hand-wringing humility is shown.

[fishnguy]

^ That is why I didn’t click the link and didn’t watch the video after reading the first few comments. The goal is clearly to collect the clicks no matter what. Every video/article described as “shocking”, “oh my gawd”, “almost died”, etc gets the same treatment from me. It’s the clicks that matter, not what you think of the people that put it out there for the masses.

[58thecat]

That was not thought through very well.

[~altiplano~]

Motivated for the wrong reasons and making poor choices.

No interest in social media garbage stars.

[H380]

When I saw this thread I read the posts before watching the video .. and I agree with many of them . Yes alot of mistakes were made ,but at the end they freely and openly admitted to that . How many of the experts on this forum would admit to that ? No I don't think " hunters " like these should be making a video like this but maybe they were trying to keep others from making the same mistakes ..I dont think they did it for View counts as some have suggested .

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[Vingiu]

Rinella's brother was right

[JD848]

Originally Posted by H380

When I saw this thread I read the posts before watching the video .. and I agree with many of them . Yes alot of mistakes were made ,but at the end they freely and openly admitted to that . How many of the experts on this forum would admit to that ? No I don't think " hunters " like these should be making a video like this but maybe they were trying to keep others from making the same mistakes ..I dont think they did it for View counts as some have suggested .

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Carless actions are not mistakes when handling a rifle ,you own that careless action once you pull the trigger .The distance alone with the position of the bear was rushed . They yelled knowing that bear needed to come out of the dugout .They got feed up of waiting and took very reckless unnecessary shots due to daylight fading .Then saying they made mistakes .

Then learning from trauma classes .How many of these are not film when these attention getters make crazy shots .I do believe they did it for view count hoping to draw in idiots to believe this is what hunters do to survive when idiots are careless . If the bear ate them both after they set out to harm it would it be an accident? hell no. They started the encounter and drew first blood .Fair came on both sides . Why should the bear always lose.

You go into a bar and pick a fight then get smacked out ,no mistake. Carless judgment and actions on your part .This mistake crap is for cowards .

All the smiles showing off his pretty pizz arrs hand gun after the bear was down ticked me right off ,the bear came down hill as gravity took his injured body down hill ,he was to injured to climb .They just happen to be below so now the bear was after them .BS One lie after another . the bear took the path of least resistance where they just happened to be. The bear tried turning but was unable to retreat from further harm after being disabled by them .I guess this is a mistake to some.

To drama queens that should be charged for reckless use of a firearm causing harm to wildlife .

Yes I'm an expert on not committing crimes to wildlife ,I just avoid doing it a all cost .I would smash all my rifles before harming an animal .

Take your target out or leave it alone. If you want to take risks go mountain climbing or joint the Alaskan Coast Guard jumping out a chopper in 30 ft seas in 70 mile an hour winds saving others in -30 weather at night 200 miles from shore . That's the real deal in life .Not taking pot shots at living things carelessly.

Cheers
JD

[H380]

Just repeated everything I said but in detail , thanx JD..

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[Pathfinder76]

Originally Posted by JD848

Carless actions are not mistakes when handling a rifle ,you own that careless action once you pull the trigger .The distance alone with the position of the bear was rushed . They yelled knowing that bear needed to come out of the dugout .They got feed up of waiting and took very reckless unnecessary shots due to daylight fading .Then saying they made mistakes .

Then learning from trauma classes .How many of these are not film when these attention getters make crazy shots .I do believe they did it for view count hoping to draw in idiots to believe this is what hunters do to survive when idiots are careless . If the bear ate them both after they set out to harm it would it be an accident? hell no. They started the encounter and drew first blood .Fair came on both sides . Why should the bear always lose.

You go into a bar and pick a fight then get smacked out ,no mistake. Carless judgment and actions on your part .This mistake crap is for cowards .

All the smiles showing off his pretty pizz arrs hand gun after the bear was down ticked me right off ,the bear came down hill as gravity took his injured body down hill ,he was to injured to climb .They just happen to be below so now the bear was after them .BS One lie after another . the bear took the path of least resistance where they just happened to be. The bear tried turning but was unable to retreat from further harm after being disabled by them .I guess this is a mistake to some.

To drama queens that should be charged for reckless use of a firearm causing harm to wildlife .

Yes I'm an expert on not committing crimes to wildlife ,I just avoid doing it a all cost .I would smash all my rifles before harming an animal .

Take your target out or leave it alone. If you want to take risks go mountain climbing or joint the Alaskan Coast Guard jumping out a chopper in 30 ft seas in 70 mile an hour winds saving others in -30 weather at night 200 miles from shore . That's the real deal in life .Not taking pot shots at living things carelessly.

Cheers
JD

Interesting prospective

[Pathfinder76]

Originally Posted by H380

Just repeated everything I said but in detail , thanx JD..

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I’m sorry, but should we start charging other wildlife harvest techniques with similar things? Trapping comes to mind. How about those that go afield with poor choices in bullet? Cartridge? I have seen far more game wounded in the field by people inside of 100 yards than beyond it. Do we need a firearms competency test/law?

Most of this won’t matter much anyway. Hunting is as cooked as a Christmas goose. The writing is all over the wall.

[Sooner]

Originally Posted by alder

X2. >400 yards, uphill, on a bear half denned up. Not ok.

My favorite was the “look-at-me” girl, Tanna, explaining her newfound skills at managing post-traumatic stress. Good grief.

An uncle & I were out hunting late in the day and charged by a grizz protecting a kill we did not know about. A 100 yrd surprise bluff charge came faster than you could imagine and ended 20 ft away from us when it turned around, sure was a pucker moment as our rifles were in the gun boots. Were we traumatized, no, were we wound up after and had a couple calming pops back at camp, yup. PTSD from it, nope.


Now I get that bear was wounded and after them, that situation vs ours a 1000 plus times more stressful. I wonder why she was not packing a rifle for back up? Did I miss something in the vid?

Every mountain Grizz hunting vid I watch, everyone has a rifle. Everyone unloads on the bear at the first hint of it going sideways. Lots of mistakes, no one expects a rifle malfunction, she should have had one too. Might have ended better for the bear if she did.

[marky_mark]

Originally Posted by Sooner

An uncle & I were out hunting late in the day and charged by a grizz protecting a kill we did not know about. A 100 yrd surprise bluff charge came faster than you could imagine and ended 20 ft away from us when it turned around, sure was a pucker moment as our rifles were in the gun boots. Were we traumatized, no, were we wound up after and had a couple calming pops back at camp, yup. PTSD from it, nope.


Now I get that bear was wounded and after them, that situation vs ours a 1000 plus times more stressful. I wonder why she was not packing a rifle for back up? Did I miss something in the vid?

Every mountain Grizz hunting vid I watch, everyone has a rifle. Everyone unloads on the bear at the first hint of it going sideways. Lots of mistakes, no one expects a rifle malfunction, she should have had one too. Might have ended better for the bear if she did.

Her reasoning was because she shot her bear 2 years ago
On the ak peninsula there is a 3 year waiting period after you shoot a bear
So she said she couldn’t carry a rifle because if she had to use it, they might not deem it as self defence. Which makes sense

I was hunting up there at the same time as them.
I made a thread on here about it too
I’ll be going back this year in the fall when it opens again
On the peninsula, the hunt is in the spring on even years and in the fall on odd years. It’s only 15 days long too.

My caliber of choice hasn’t been determined yet.
I have a 300 Norma, 2 338’s and a 416
Big bears are a different animal
These guys didn’t give this one the respect that they deserve
There is a reason why every outfitter recommends big calibers and heavy deep penetrating bullets.
Personally I don’t even think them shoot at it from 475 yards was a bad thing.
If it was broadside out of that hole, they would have put 3 solid shots in it and it would have probably been more than enough. But shooting it laying down in that hole was dumb. They would have been better off shooting their pistol in the ground trying to get that bear to stand up. He wasn’t going to run away. We had to throw rocks at my polar bear to get it to roll over and give me a shot. This bear did not fear these hunters. Rushing it for the camera was where things went sideways

[Pathfinder76]

An interesting read

https://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbth...e#Post18014420

[MountainTi]

Originally Posted by Pathfinder76

An interesting read

https://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbth...e#Post18014420

Interesting for sure.
Double be quickest, but hope you don't need more than 2
In a bolt I'd take a mark v action every time (or a BBR). Super reliable and quickest I've used to reload for that next one.

[nohlan_4]

Originally Posted by marky_mark

Her reasoning was because she shot her bear 2 years ago
On the ak peninsula there is a 3 year waiting period after you shoot a bear
So she said she couldn’t carry a rifle because if she had to use it, they might not deem it as self defence. Which makes sense

I was hunting up there at the same time as them.
I made a thread on here about it too
I’ll be going back this year in the fall when it opens again
On the peninsula, the hunt is in the spring on even years and in the fall on odd years. It’s only 15 days long too.

My caliber of choice hasn’t been determined yet.
I have a 300 Norma, 2 338’s and a 416
Big bears are a different animal
These guys didn’t give this one the respect that they deserve
There is a reason why every outfitter recommends big calibers and heavy deep penetrating bullets.
Personally I don’t even think them shoot at it from 475 yards was a bad thing.
If it was broadside out of that hole, they would have put 3 solid shots in it and it would have probably been more than enough. But shooting it laying down in that hole was dumb. They would have been better off shooting their pistol in the ground trying to get that bear to stand up. He wasn’t going to run away. We had to throw rocks at my polar bear to get it to roll over and give me a shot. This bear did not fear these hunters. Rushing it for the camera was where things went sideways

100000% she even insinuated in the video that they rushed the shot because of lighting. Which was for the cameras. They could have shot it broadside with less then ideal lighting and made a quick kill instead of the marginal shot they decided to take because they wanted to get it on video. I don't agree with that and then click baiting a video on youtube for money.

[sage 13]

Originally Posted by Pathfinder76

I’m sorry, but should we start charging other wildlife harvest techniques with similar things? Trapping comes to mind. How about those that go afield with poor choices in bullet? Cartridge? I have seen far more game wounded in the field by people inside of 100 yards than beyond it. Do we need a firearms competency test/law?

Most of this won’t matter much anyway. Hunting is as cooked as a Christmas goose. The writing is all over the wall.

Why are you with so many people wounding animals, are you not teaching them enough, letting them take questionable shots ?

Yes i think firearms tests would be fine they do it in some places in europe
also have to take classes/course in some states to hunt sheep and cats.

[H380]

Originally Posted by marky_mark

Her reasoning was because she shot her bear 2 years ago

On the ak peninsula there is a 3 year waiting period after you shoot a bear

So she said she couldn’t carry a rifle because if she had to use it, they might not deem it as self defence. Which makes sense



I was hunting up there at the same time as them.

I made a thread on here about it too

I’ll be going back this year in the fall when it opens again

On the peninsula, the hunt is in the spring on even years and in the fall on odd years. It’s only 15 days long too.



My caliber of choice hasn’t been determined yet.

I have a 300 Norma, 2 338’s and a 416

Big bears are a different animal

These guys didn’t give this one the respect that they deserve

There is a reason why every outfitter recommends big calibers and heavy deep penetrating bullets.

Personally I don’t even think them shoot at it from 475 yards was a bad thing.

If it was broadside out of that hole, they would have put 3 solid shots in it and it would have probably been more than enough. But shooting it laying down in that hole was dumb. They would have been better off shooting their pistol in the ground trying to get that bear to stand up. He wasn’t going to run away. We had to throw rocks at my polar bear to get it to roll over and give me a shot. This bear did not fear these hunters. Rushing it for the camera was where things went sideways

Your posts are the reason this forum needs a " like " button ..nailed it ..

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[Twisted Canuck]

A Like button for sure, and some way for members to donate to mods for their troubles (and excellent service). Patreon?

[KBF]

A lot of good things of what not to do and what to avoid.

[ram crazy]

Originally Posted by JD848

Bella was being stalked by a bear 3 feet away sniffing them out ,she shot out of fear hoping to scare him away plus save her and her sister.

You should get your story straight.

[marky_mark]

Originally Posted by ram crazy

You should get your story straight.

I’m pretty sure you weren’t there either

[Pathfinder76]

Originally Posted by sage 13

Why are you with so many people wounding animals, are you not teaching them enough, letting them take questionable shots ?

Yes i think firearms tests would be fine they do it in some places in europe
also have to take classes/course in some states to hunt sheep and cats.

I’m not.

[JD848]

Originally Posted by ram crazy

You should get your story straight.

Hey that was the first version I had read years ago,since the guy posted the one that is supposedly true I didn't bother changing it ,sorry for upsetting you . It wasn't a major crime ,but I was wrong .There has been multiple stories for years about this bear ,this was one I read in a magazine decades ago.

Just PM me if you want a personal apology, glad to give you one .

LMAO
Cheers

[Jamie Black R/T]

Originally Posted by ClutchCanadian4

This is exactly what that post in the Hunting section about Rinella's brother saying social media is ruining hunting.

Social Media Clout is the worst drug ever unleashed on humanity.

Number of addicts is in the BILLIONS...willing to bend their morals and ignore all natural instincts to achieve "Fame"

Its gross.

[vanslays]

Originally Posted by ram crazy

You should get your story straight.

It was 1953!

[Pathfinder76]

Social Media is a cancer to society! Exclaims exasperated man on social media.

[marky_mark]

Originally Posted by H380

Your posts are the reason this forum needs a " like " button ..nailed it ..

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lol thanks