The 223 as a viable big game round volume 2.

Pathfinder76 · #1 07-21-2018, 12:21 PM

To belabour the point and because this place slows to a crawl in the summer here it goes.

Even though I apparently will shoot less in my lifetime than some here will shoot in a year I was out again this morning. I had zero intention of running my phones video capabilities but thought what the heck. The video is only for sound (I’m going to buy a phone Skope now) so please have no expectation of a Warner Brothers movie.

Yes, I know I’m not shooting deer. Yes I know steel does not bleed. But a deer at 250 yds could not, in seven lifetimes, win this battle. And I wouldn’t have wanted to be a deer standing at the distances illustrated either.

https://youtu.be/kn5VfOXG8sQ

https://youtu.be/nB55NuE6PjM

Nyksta · #2 07-21-2018, 01:42 PM

What was wrong with your first thread?

Pathfinder76 · #3 07-21-2018, 01:45 PM

Any thread on these forums loses all sanity after page three.

Nyksta · #4 07-21-2018, 02:07 PM

I applaud your passion for the sport as well as trying to give info on capabilities of your enjoyment with your 223. In the right hands in the right circumstances it will kill. But the regulations are designed to control the general population's activities. I disagree that 223 would be effective on a regular basis by the more general population of people who want to get out for their 1 or 2 days of being involved in the sport and go be "hunters" so they can go back to their other lifestyle and brag about their amazingness to their non-hunter friends. A skilled trained person who loves the hobby and spends a large number of days every year would be better at deciding the right situation where 223 capabilities are appropriate, but average guy would not. That is why the regulations require more powerful cartridges for big game hunting.

Salavee · #5 07-21-2018, 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by chuck

Any thread on these forums loses all sanity after page three.

..and yet you start another one.

Nice shooting, but it didn't prove a thing. Touting the .223 as a Deer cartridge to 200yds might cut it but promoting it as an acceptable general Big Game ctdge has less chance of success than the probability of a .223 reliably and consistently taking Deer at 300 yds... except, of course, if you're doing the shooting. Now, keep it sane please.

Pathfinder76 · #6 07-21-2018, 02:27 PM

Can we all agree that Alberta is fairly unique in imposing this restriction as far as North America goes?

Norwest Alta · #7 07-21-2018, 02:32 PM

No

last minute · #8 07-21-2018, 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Norwest Alta

No

Have to agreex2

Pathfinder76 · #9 07-21-2018, 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Norwest Alta

No

According to Cat, 40 states allow it. How many are there?

Norwest Alta · #10 07-21-2018, 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by chuck

According to Cat, 40 states allow it. How many are there?

40 states allow a lot of things. Last time I checked we had provinces. I will look on the map to make sure though because a lot of things have changed from the last election.

Norwest Alta · #11 07-21-2018, 02:46 PM

Yep still provinces. Hmmmm what do we do now?

Salavee · #12 07-21-2018, 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by chuck

Can we all agree that Alberta is fairly unique in imposing this restriction as far as North America goes?

No Way. Many of the States (not all) that allow use of a .223 for hunting
do not have much more than very small whitetails, some exotics and feral hogs available to hunt. Normal shooting ranges are often short as well.

The wide variety and size of our available Big Game in Alberta is totally different. As usual, there are exceptions. I think we have some excellent smaller cartridges available. Why push the absolute minimum agenda?

Pathfinder76 · #13 07-21-2018, 02:47 PM

What about the two most comparable? One immediately east and one West?

Pathfinder76 · #14 07-21-2018, 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Salavee

No Way. Many of the States (not all) that allow use of a .223 for hunting
do not have much more than very small whitetails, some exotics and feral hogs available to hunt. Normal shooting ranges are often short as well.

The wide variety and size of our available Big Game in Alberta is totally different. As usual, there are exceptions. I think we have some excellent smaller cartridges available. Why push the absolute minimum agenda?

What about Montana? Idaho?

Pathfinder76 · #15 07-21-2018, 02:52 PM

How about Alaska? Utah?

catnthehat · #16 07-21-2018, 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Norwest Alta

40 states allow a lot of things. Last time I checked we had provinces. I will look on the map to make sure though because a lot of things have changed from the last election.

The Inuit use the .223 in Nunavut as well as BC , Manitoba , New Brunswick and I believe some parts of Ontario as well .
Cat

Norwest Alta · #17 07-21-2018, 02:59 PM

I think a 223 is allowed in many of the state's due to its limitations. I can't say for sure but many of the state's have quite a bit higher density of hunter per area then we see here so a rifle with a limited effective range might be more welcome then a more capable gun for safety reasons.

Pathfinder76 · #18 07-21-2018, 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Norwest Alta

I think a 223 is allowed in many of the state's due to its limitations. I can't say for sure but many of the state's have quite a bit higher density of hunter per area then we see here so a rifle with a limited effective range might be more welcome then a more capable gun for safety reasons.

Nice try.

Norwest Alta · #19 07-21-2018, 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by catnthehat

The Inuit use the .223 in Nunavut as well as BC , Manitoba , New Brunswick and I believe some parts of Ontario as well .
Cat

I know people that hunt in bc and I can say none of them use a 223. Going to guess probably because it is not as effective as a 30 cal

Norwest Alta · #20 07-21-2018, 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by chuck

Nice try.

Well what's your answer smart guy?

catnthehat · #21 07-21-2018, 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Norwest Alta

I know people that hunt in bc and I can say none of them use a 223. Going to guess probably because it is not as effective as a 30 cal

I know lots that do as well as those that don't .
I also know many that use both depending on their mood
Cat

Nyksta · #22 07-21-2018, 03:08 PM

just because there is a lack of government control over choices doesn't mean that every choice is a good one. i love to hear that people are allowed to make their own choices... as long as people are smart then there is no need for government control. its when common sense flies out the window that the government has to start making laws to control the populations decisions. stupidity is a big reason that laws are created. i still think that in the hands of the common man, 223 is not a sound choice for most hunting. if someone cant handle the recoil of a proper hunting cartridge, then they need to change the setup. either get a heavier gun and have an adult carry it for them, or change the recoil pad, or get a muzzle brake, or keep shooting until they are comfortable moving up to a proper cartridge. Why do we keep asking for more and more leeway to allow for lesser and lesser hunters.

Norwest Alta · #23 07-21-2018, 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by catnthehat

I know lots that do as well as those that don't .
I also know many that use both depending on their mood
Cat

I suppose it would mostly depend on what they're hunting. Island deer? I'm pretty sure we got bigger coyotes. Interior moose? Probably not many that use a 223.

270person · #24 07-21-2018, 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Nyksta

What was wrong with your first thread?

Some guys just like to be the focus of attention and hear themselves talk I guess.

Yawn.

270person · #25 07-21-2018, 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by chuck

Can we all agree that Alberta is fairly unique in imposing this restriction as far as North America goes?

Be unique. The world needs more niques.

last minute · #26 07-21-2018, 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by 270person

Some guys just like to be the focus of attention and hear themselves talk I guess.

Yawn.

I like it

Pathfinder76 · #27 07-21-2018, 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Norwest Alta

Well what's your answer smart guy?

Restrictions on the other side. Which some states have.

Norwest Alta · #28 07-21-2018, 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by chuck

Restrictions on the other side. Which some states have.

Good riddle. Not into riddles. Carry on

270person · #29 07-21-2018, 03:40 PM

I can put 5 inside a loonie at 100yds with my 17 HMR, so being basically a sniper with this gun, I think I should be allowed to use it for CP2 and CP3 game animals.

I'll only take headshots at 100 yds and under....I promise....because... I'm a 17 machine. 150 fpe at 50 yds be damned. More than enough to put the smack down.

It's all about ME and I would like to use my 17 HMR for everything. That way I can sell all my other rifles, buy cheap ammo, and I'm betting I can get down to 5 inside a dime if I practise with it enough. TYVM.

P.S. I think I should be able to use it for waterfowl as well.

Pathfinder76 · #30 07-21-2018, 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Norwest Alta

Good riddle. Not into riddles. Carry on

That’s not a riddle for crying out loud. If a state wants to restrict something because of human population concerns they will restrict cartridges. And they do.