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06-06-2023, 04:24 PM
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How much value does the Parole Board of Canada a woman and child?
https://calgarysun.com/pmn/news-pmn/...5-6d6cfb9bf4f7
Apparently 17 years.
Hopefully women across Canada say enough and vote the Liberals out.
Killing a pregnant woman is it reprehensible. How is killing one person not 25 years or more in jail and two people not worth 25 years in jail. How is life worth so little and consequences so light.
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06-06-2023, 04:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Sundancefisher
https://calgarysun.com/pmn/news-pmn/...5-6d6cfb9bf4f7
Apparently 17 years.
Hopefully women across Canada say enough and vote the Liberals out.
Killing a pregnant woman is it reprehensible. How is killing one person not 25 years or more in jail and two people not worth 25 years in jail. How is life worth so little and consequences so light.
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What’s your stance on abortion? There are people being paid extremely well to do essentially the same thing thousands upon thousands of times over. This is the problem with no moral compass. The lines get pretty fuzzy.
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06-06-2023, 05:13 PM
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Edited. Save the mods some work suspending me
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06-06-2023, 05:27 PM
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Yeah, this thread has all the signs.
If the thread stays on topic, which is a dysfunctional justice prison parole system, great.
If it gets derailed again and becomes a moralising thread about abortion, it will be closed. We truly don't need the headache.
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06-06-2023, 05:51 PM
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He has a fiancee? Why do women go for these guys?
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06-06-2023, 06:01 PM
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Problem is not the government in power, but the he judicial system constructed around the Charter of rights and Freedoms, which goes back to Turdeau senior.
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06-06-2023, 07:12 PM
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Obviously the Parole Board places far more value on criminals than victims or the rest of society. They are extremely dedicated to the revolving door legal system, keeps them in salaries and pensions. If they did what was right for society there would be no need for a parole board. It is just another example of needless bloated government bureaucracy created to justify itself by releasing murderers and predators back into society free to do what they do.
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06-06-2023, 07:12 PM
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The legal system only seems concerned with protecting criminals, the victims don't matter.
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06-06-2023, 08:41 PM
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The legal system only seems concerned with protecting criminals, the victims don't matter.
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Private members bill being proposed to extend the time period of the sexual offender registry, already mutterings about the legality of that. 
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06-07-2023, 08:00 AM
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Private members bill being proposed to extend the time period of the sexual offender registry, already mutterings about the legality of that.
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One would think our laws and punishments are grounded in common sense.
The parole board has definitely not shown common sense.
We need all the parties to do what’s right and the next government to ensure it’s fixed.
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06-07-2023, 08:39 AM
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I really don’t think the current government cares. It’s all comes down to money, and being incarcerated is an expense in 2016 it was $116K/yr/inmate. So if they are released and get a job, go a few years without reoffending, the government is making money on them again and the cost to retrial and is cheaper then the cost of incarceration.
Just my thoughts.
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06-07-2023, 09:16 AM
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I remember watching this guy on the news while everyone searched for his wife. Something seemed off. Then he just happened to be on the search party that found her. And now he is out. Full parole after 17 years is so wrong.
Not surprised though as Bernardo somehow got the parole board convinced to move him to a medium security prison.
Our system is so effed up.
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06-07-2023, 09:21 AM
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As easy as it is to place blame for the gong show that is our judicial system on the Liberals, it's been a mess for decades regardless of which party is in power.
Our system focuses on "rehabilitation", as a result I don't doubt if Paul Bernado eventually will be able to fool the parole board that he can be a productive member of society. We have a system where murderers receive sentences that allow them out with enough time in their lives to commit murder again. That or they are acquitted of manslaughter on a BS technicality even though there's mounds of evidence proving they committed the act and then they turn around and sue the government knowing full well they're guilty AF. (True story) and yes, there's a lot of bitterness here. Commit fraud or help organize a protest though and look out, they get the Ted Bundy treatment.
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06-07-2023, 09:26 AM
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As easy as it is to place blame for the gong show that is our judicial system on the Liberals, it's been a mess for decades regardless of which party is in power.
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I agree but whose party principle had made it this way? 
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06-07-2023, 11:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Off in the Bushes
I really don’t think the current government cares. It’s all comes down to money, and being incarcerated is an expense in 2016 it was $116K/yr/inmate. So if they are released and get a job, go a few years without reoffending, the government is making money on them again and the cost to retrial and is cheaper then the cost of incarceration.
Just my thoughts.
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Most of them start re offending immediately, just that it often takes years for them to be caught again if ever.
$116,000 a year per inmate is also a key symptom of a penal system gone completely off the rails and out of control. This needs to be fixed.
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06-07-2023, 03:03 PM
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This just in......
https://calgary.ctvnews.ca/calgary-m...arge-1.6431344
The man who was found not criminally responsible in the stabbing deaths of five people at a house party in Brentwood more than nine years ago is seeking more freedoms.
Matthew de Grood has applied to the Alberta Court of Appeal for an absolute discharge. According to the Government of Canada, that means the court would find him discharged of the offences with no conviction registered.
"Conditional or absolute discharges may only be ordered for less serious offences," the justice department said.
De Grood was arrested on April 15, 2014, in connection with the fatal stabbings of Joshua Hunter, Kaiti Perras, Jordan Segura, Lawrence Hong and Zackariah Rathwell.
Since then, he's been held under supervision and his case has been reviewed on an annual basis by the Alberta Review Board (ARB).
This most recent appeal comes from a request from de Grood's lawyer last year, who requested the ARB's most recent decision that stated he must remain detained at either Edmonton's Alberta Hospital or the Southern Alberta Forensic Psychiatry Centre in Calgary.
De Grood's lawyer, Jacqueline Petrie, contended the decision was unreasonable because of "procedural unfairness" and a "reasonable apprehension of bias."
Matthew de Grood, appearing in a Calgary court on April 22, 2014 is shown in this artist's sketch. (THE CANADIAN PRESS/Janice Fletcher)
Greg Perras, Kaiti's father, said at the time he was concerned over the possibility of de Grood being released.
"If he was to be released conditionally, his medical team suggested during testimony that he could only be returned to hospital with his consent," Perras told CTV News in October 2022.
"And they have testified on numerous occasions over the last several years that de Grood, in hospital, has lost insight into his illness when some of his symptoms resurfaced."
If granted, the discharge would have no conditions.
(With files from the Canadian Press)
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06-07-2023, 03:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Albertadiver
This just in......
https://calgary.ctvnews.ca/calgary-m...arge-1.6431344
The man who was found not criminally responsible in the stabbing deaths of five people at a house party in Brentwood more than nine years ago is seeking more freedoms.
Matthew de Grood has applied to the Alberta Court of Appeal for an absolute discharge. According to the Government of Canada, that means the court would find him discharged of the offences with no conviction registered.
"Conditional or absolute discharges may only be ordered for less serious offences," the justice department said.
De Grood was arrested on April 15, 2014, in connection with the fatal stabbings of Joshua Hunter, Kaiti Perras, Jordan Segura, Lawrence Hong and Zackariah Rathwell.
Since then, he's been held under supervision and his case has been reviewed on an annual basis by the Alberta Review Board (ARB).
This most recent appeal comes from a request from de Grood's lawyer last year, who requested the ARB's most recent decision that stated he must remain detained at either Edmonton's Alberta Hospital or the Southern Alberta Forensic Psychiatry Centre in Calgary.
De Grood's lawyer, Jacqueline Petrie, contended the decision was unreasonable because of "procedural unfairness" and a "reasonable apprehension of bias."
Matthew de Grood, appearing in a Calgary court on April 22, 2014 is shown in this artist's sketch. (THE CANADIAN PRESS/Janice Fletcher)
Greg Perras, Kaiti's father, said at the time he was concerned over the possibility of de Grood being released.
"If he was to be released conditionally, his medical team suggested during testimony that he could only be returned to hospital with his consent," Perras told CTV News in October 2022.
"And they have testified on numerous occasions over the last several years that de Grood, in hospital, has lost insight into his illness when some of his symptoms resurfaced."
If granted, the discharge would have no conditions.
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The ARB is a joke. They should have to take this sicko home with them for six months each. Then sit with the survivors of the victims and explain their decision making process to them.
What an embarrassment our legal system is. Starts at the ballot box!
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06-07-2023, 03:35 PM
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I'm not defending anyone but there is AlOT worse offenders who have been downgraded and no one knows or cares it's just that Bernardo was and is more in the spotlight. In fact I personally know of 2 right now that have done alot worse than him and are on their way to a minimum very soon.
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06-09-2023, 03:41 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Off in the Bushes
I really don’t think the current government cares. It’s all comes down to money, and being incarcerated is an expense in 2016 it was $116K/yr/inmate. So if they are released and get a job, go a few years without reoffending, the government is making money on them again and the cost to retrial and is cheaper then the cost of incarceration.
Just my thoughts.
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Bringing back chain gangs would help offset the cost.
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