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Well doesn't he have outstanding bills with Hunter Biden, the "Big Guy", and the rest of their cronies? Not reported by the left media.

Not taking sides, but Ukraine is no angel. Money laundering experts perhaps?

Further, they have been fighting for decades. Why all the concerns now? Nobody cared before...

Spot on ! I do Feel SORROW for the civilian community in the UKRAINE but it’s time to cut things loose there
We will pour a pile more if Canadian tax payers money in there to achieve NOTHING just like we have in other countries and nothing will change !
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Old 06-08-2023, 10:14 PM
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Problem is Putin is fighting for his own life. He is not going to retire. If he is dead anyway why not go out under giant mushroom cloed
I doubt that many the russian higher ups would feel the same, they dont want their families to die or suffer. So we avoid entering Russia so as not to give him an excuse. Hes just a big bully(oops make that a short Bully). The west should have done this last year already.
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Old 06-08-2023, 11:09 PM
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Like I mention before , it was sort of a play of words, started as a joke and just got stuck to me, lol. Some guys at work still call me that.
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Old 06-08-2023, 11:21 PM
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Like I mention before , it was sort of a play of words, started as a joke and just got stuck to me, lol. Some guys at work still call me that.
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I think that all the top powers on this planet need to get both guys into one room alone and come up with a plan to stop this . No one leaves till it's written in stone . There destroying a history of a great people that are all part of each other ,such a shame .


Leave Biden at home along with Harris they can sort out the BLM .

The USA should learn and be warned to leave other countries alone a fix there own backyard with what ever there dollar will be worth in the future .
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I don’t think this war will stop in the next two or three years. Good chance China will invade Taiwan in the next couple years as well. Wonder what the states will do when that happens.
My hope is that China ,north Korea, Greece,etc will see what a disaster it can be to invade your neighbor and rethink their expansion plans.
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Old 06-09-2023, 09:52 AM
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Seems like Putin has painted himself into a corner he can't get out of now, so, any "ceasefire" oe "peace treaty" won't be worth the paper it's written on. He can sit back and lob missiles whenever he wants on Ukes. And if China does finally decide to back him, it'll probably prolong things til the Ukes can't stand up for themselves anymore, which may draw in boots on the ground from a couple of former Bloc countries. The one threat to China is the US and India cutting off their trade routes, and that's a big one. China has an issue, that they created, with big companies moving out of there now as well, good number to Vietnam, India and elsewhere. I don't know if the next election in the US will result in the same, more, or less support for the Ukes, but, by that time, the defense industries n the EU and US should be up and running on the ammo supply, so, we'll see. And it yet remains to be seen, what longer range stuff the Ukes can come up with and what they do with it. Haven't really seen what effect the "anti-Putin" Russian brigade will have in the RU yet either. And it remains to be seen if the Ukes have the means to beat the dug in Russians in the south yet or not. And Belarus may still be a wild card in the deal.
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Old 06-09-2023, 11:39 AM
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What would China have to gain by backing Putin?
Thats if everything stays contained in Ukraine and NATO keeps troops out?
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Old 06-09-2023, 12:24 PM
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What would China have to gain by backing Putin?
Thats if everything stays contained in Ukraine and NATO keeps troops out?
Everything! First, it shows the US that they don’t give a F about them and not afraid of them. Second, China is getting super cheap Russian oil, gas and other resources like lamber, coal, minerals etc etc etc. They are already in control(occupying pretty much) most of the far east and Siberia…
If China flexes enough muscles to impress(scare) Biden and his bunch of imbeciles- then the us will do nothing when they roll over Taiwan and Hong Kong…
It S influence in the Middle East is also growing big time. China so far is the big time winner in this whole kafafle….
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Old 06-09-2023, 12:53 PM
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Yup. And they’re getting ballsy with their navy. The other day they pulled a battleship right in front of an American navy ship and cut the throttle. Within 100m. In international waters they claim as theirs.
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I say double down and run both of your plans at once

Really let’s get a petition going to push for this to happen
With a 1000lb bomb attached to each of them.
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Putin took what he thought was sure bet.
Oops
Actually double oops.
If he had been able to roll in to welcoming crowds like he thought was going to happen, he would have taken over some very valuable real estate and industrial sites, enhancing Russia's position in the world economy.
Unfortunately the Russians have now blown the **** out of everything they have touched.
The Azov Steel Works, once one of the biggest producers of stainless in the world is now a shattered mess and will take billions to rebuild if that ever happens.
The hugely productive agricultural land in Ukraine is now strewn with mines, dead bodies and unexploded ordinance - it's gonna be a brave farmer who runs a disker or a harrow through that mess
They have wrecked the power infrastructure and the generation grid.
We are talking billions upon billions of dollars in investment to return things to even a semblance of normalcy so even if the Russians win the cost of occupation is likely to be astronomical.
They are going to win a destroyed country with little in the way of productive capacity and what population remains are likely to be hostile.

Anyone who thought that the West should stay out and let the Russians do it, needs to re-read their history books with an emphasis on Neville Chamberlin and "peace in our time" - standing back would have ended up with Moldova, and most of the previous Soviet sphere of influence under direct Russian control with a bellicose Russia at the borders of Nato and back to the Cold War.
The only solution now is to continue to support the Ukranians with arms, ammunition and training until it becomes too expensive for Putin to continue.
Given that they have lost something to the tune of 900k personnel killed or injured to no discernible gain, that day may come sooner than we think.

PS The Chinese have had their eyes on Russian resources for centuries. Now they are getting them for a bargain price without shedding a drop of blood.
They have their two major rivals for world domination at each other's throats and spending huge sums of money and amounts of military hardware.
They will be left with a neighbour who is more or less destitute both financially and militarily and who will be beholden to them

No wonder Xi is smiling in most pictures
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Old 06-09-2023, 01:27 PM
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We are talking billions upon billions of dollars in investment to return things to even a semblance of normalcy so even if the Russians win the cost of occupation is likely to be astronomical.
They are going to win a destroyed country with little in the way of productive capacity and what population remains are likely to be hostile.
They don't care. That's chump change compared to the current estimate of $2.5-$3 trillion USD worth of petroleum resources they are determined to steal from Ukraine.

OT- The fastest way to cease the hostilities is to make all the armed criminal invaders deceased. Send a message so simple even the Russians can understand it.
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Yup. And they’re getting ballsy with their navy. The other day they pulled a battleship right in front of an American navy ship and cut the throttle. Within 100m. In international waters they claim as theirs.
All while American navy was trying to figure out their gender identity and a proper pronouns…
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Old 06-10-2023, 06:04 AM
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PS The Chinese have had their eyes on Russian resources for centuries. Now they are getting them for a bargain price without shedding a drop of blood.
They have their two major rivals for world domination at each other's throats and spending huge sums of money and amounts of military hardware.
They will be left with a neighbour who is more or less destitute both financially and militarily and who will be beholden to them

No wonder Xi is smiling in most pictures

If someone arranges to take out the pipeline hubs in Kazakhstan or Turkmenistan, RU and China will be in a world of hurt, RU gets their cash flow severely hurt, China loses a considerable gas supply, neither would be smiling anymore. And apparently there are people in the two stans, that are not real happy with RU. Could be another "smoking" incident in that area someday. Been a few of those around RU lately, wonder how many Ukes have relatives in that area.
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Old 06-10-2023, 08:06 AM
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Russia just needs to leave. No country can be allowed to attack another to capture territory. No country should be allowed to attack another because they don’t like their culture, religion or political leanings.

The fixed votes in Ukraine suggesting the population wanted to be Russian is so laughable and ridiculous I’m surprised people have even brought it up.

There is no fair elections in Russia. Never has been and likely never will be. Elections are won by a margin dictated by Putin. When Putin attacked Crimea… Ukrainians fled the area. Then Putin shipped in a bunch of Russians and gave them their homes. Then had this fixed vote. Same as other captured areas.

People thinking this was the will of the people need to better think about it.

Right now Putin needs to save face. It will be hard due to the world now seeing that the Russian army is the third best in this war. They are an unmitigated disaster. Them forcing poor people to fight while protecting the privileged along with not providing adequate equipment and training points to why people don’t want to be Russian.

None of the pro Russian war people posting here would ever emigrate to Russia. That’s a fact. Russian facts is 100% controlled by state media that is controlled by Putin. So what can Putin get and then use to state he won something?

Well… his whole theory of success was really based around reducing NATO’s footprint and keeping them as far from Moscow as possible. People quickly pointed out that NATO as been that close for a long long time. Had been reducing its military in the area and essentially ratcheting down the arms race in Eastern Europe.

Then Putin attacks… arms race picks up. Countries start pumping more money into NATO. Sweden and Finland join or will soon join NATO.

Now Putin appears to be taking over Belarus. So the theory of protecting Russia is proved so false it’s laughable.

Putin wants more power. He pines for the old Soviet Union.

So the biggest hurdle is in fact Putin and his baseless arguments to the Russian people.

What is possible is a crap shoot but here is a shot in the dark.

Russia leaves All of Ukraine. NATO agrees Ukraine will not join NATO but they will join the EU. Ukraine and Russia will demilitarize the border area permanently.

Ukraine will grant some autonomy to the captured regions but Russians not present pre war must leave and seek immigration paths if they want to return.

Putin can then claim on state media that he demilitarized Ukraine (however facts are Ukraine was never militarized until Russia attacked in 2014). But Russians will never hear that on the news. He can claim victory in blocking NATO from Ukraine… but EU membership will grant protections. NATO has dramatically increased its presence due to the war but he can ignore that also and argue Finland and Sweden were already participants in drills before.

War reparations will be hard to come by but lifting sanctions in return for payments can be the side deal. EU investment will also help.


The alternative is Russia will continue as a joke on the world stage… with a crap military that’s only strategy is killing civilians to demoralize the country. Destroying civilian infrastructure to reduce the will of freedom. To level a country of any buildings. They are the 3rd best military in Ukraine.

On the world stage based upon their efforts… Russia went from 2nd best army in the world to likely 10th and falling. Their best soldiers were killed early on in the war. They rely on a private army for their main attack force. They use people as cannon fodder. Their equipment is crap.
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Putin took what he thought was sure bet.
Oops
Actually double oops.
If he had been able to roll in to welcoming crowds like he thought was going to happen, he would have taken over some very valuable real estate and industrial sites, enhancing Russia's position in the world economy.
Unfortunately the Russians have now blown the **** out of everything they have touched.
The Azov Steel Works, once one of the biggest producers of stainless in the world is now a shattered mess and will take billions to rebuild if that ever happens.
The hugely productive agricultural land in Ukraine is now strewn with mines, dead bodies and unexploded ordinance - it's gonna be a brave farmer who runs a disker or a harrow through that mess
They have wrecked the power infrastructure and the generation grid.
We are talking billions upon billions of dollars in investment to return things to even a semblance of normalcy so even if the Russians win the cost of occupation is likely to be astronomical.
They are going to win a destroyed country with little in the way of productive capacity and what population remains are likely to be hostile.

Anyone who thought that the West should stay out and let the Russians do it, needs to re-read their history books with an emphasis on Neville Chamberlin and "peace in our time" - standing back would have ended up with Moldova, and most of the previous Soviet sphere of influence under direct Russian control with a bellicose Russia at the borders of Nato and back to the Cold War.
The only solution now is to continue to support the Ukranians with arms, ammunition and training until it becomes too expensive for Putin to continue.
Given that they have lost something to the tune of 900k personnel killed or injured to no discernible gain, that day may come sooner than we think.

PS The Chinese have had their eyes on Russian resources for centuries. Now they are getting them for a bargain price without shedding a drop of blood.
They have their two major rivals for world domination at each other's throats and spending huge sums of money and amounts of military hardware.
They will be left with a neighbour who is more or less destitute both financially and militarily and who will be beholden to them

No wonder Xi is smiling in most pictures
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Spot on ! I do Feel SORROW for the civilian community in the UKRAINE but it’s time to cut things loose there
We will pour a pile more if Canadian tax payers money in there to achieve NOTHING just like we have in other countries and nothing will change !
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By cut things loose do you mean let the Russians liquidate the Ukranian population and move on to Poland and Europe?
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By cut things loose do you mean let the Russians liquidate the Ukranian population and move on to Poland and Europe?
No, that means that the corrupt government in US, Canada and Ukraine will not be getting any more cash to clean and funnel back to itself…
Russia has zero interests to move into Western Europe. That’s what I think. Based on what I hear from Moscow friends and cousins, people there are sick of this and do not support Putin the way you think… They can’t wait to get back their options to travel the world without restrictions.
If you think that the majority of Russians are supporting this war - you are very wrong.
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How to stop the conflict between Russia and the Ukraine?

Put Trump back in the oval office.
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By cut things loose do you mean let the Russians liquidate the Ukranian population and move on to Poland and Europe?
That’s a pretty crazy view of the situation, imo.
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So the Russians are treating Ukrainian, citizens with care and respect bombing and razing infrastructure plus cities to the ground, raping executing, and pillaging the population.
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The crazy part is the liquidating the Ukrainian population and then moving on to Poland and the rest of Europe.
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If some Russians were left behind when Soviate Union fell apart, why did they not phone U-Haul and move to Russia. They should not have wanted to take the Ukraine country with them.
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If some Russians were left behind when Soviate Union fell apart, why did they not phone U-Haul and move to Russia. They should not have wanted to take the Ukraine country with them.
Actually a huge number of those russians moved to the Ukraine AFTER the Crimea invasion in 2014 to bolster putins false claims of "protecting russians" from the Nazi Ukrainians.
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No, that means that the corrupt government in US, Canada and Ukraine will not be getting any more cash to clean and funnel back to itself…
Russia has zero interests to move into Western Europe. That’s what I think. Based on what I hear from Moscow friends and cousins, people there are sick of this and do not support Putin the way you think… They can’t wait to get back their options to travel the world without restrictions.
If you think that the majority of Russians are supporting this war - you are very wrong.
What are these people doing to force Putin to stop this war and leave Ukraine?
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I think that all the top powers on this planet need to get both guys into one room alone and come up with a plan to stop this . No one leaves till it's written in stone . There destroying a history of a great people that are all part of each other ,such a shame .


Leave Biden at home along with Harris they can sort out the BLM .

The USA should learn and be warned to leave other countries alone a fix there own backyard with what ever there dollar will be worth in the future .
Theoretically, that should be the UNs job, but they've proven themselves to be the problem in the past, Ruanda and the Balkans being just some examples.

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