Modern Bows

ACKLEY ABE · #1 10-23-2014, 06:48 AM

So... way back when I was shooting bows 50% letoff was pretty common in compounds. My last two were PSE Citations and they were 30% letoff. At 78lbs shooting Heavy tackle no-sights and no mech release. I used to average 270's with it but I shot at least 100 arrows a day for 7 years straight. There are a cpl of ppl here that were around in the day that can verify that for any of you doubters.

It seams now that 80% letoff is the norm, which would be very little to hold. Does anyone not use sights anymore? (Cat...shut-up...I know you trad guys don't). ...and how does 80% work with P & Y ? Just curious....

CNP · #2 10-23-2014, 07:03 AM

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Because of this modern preference for high-let-off bows, the number of bowhunters who felt alienated by Pope and Young was surging. To bridge this growing divide, late last year P&Y's voting members voted 294 to 148 to rescind the let-off rule. Now any animal legally killed with a bow can be listed in P&Y's records. There was a compromise, however: Animals killed with compound bows that have let-offs greater than the 65 percent benchmark will have an asterisk placed next to their scores in the P&Y record book.

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calgarychef · #3 10-23-2014, 08:04 AM

With let offs, releases, sights, blah blah....I think Pope and Young records don't mean squat anymore. We've gone from a time when a 30 yard shot was pretty far to an 80 yard shot being pretty far. We've got lighted sights, telescopic sights, electronic gizmos all over the place all this stuff gets used and if it's disallowed by the rules it's not mentioned when folks register in the big book. People bait, lie, cheat and trespass just to get their name in this book.

I've shot P&Y deer with a recurve, I'll not register any kills in the book thanks.

dmcbride · #4 10-23-2014, 08:09 AM

Modern bows aren't much different than a crossbow.

Lefty-Canuck · #5 10-23-2014, 08:39 AM

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Originally Posted by dmcbride

Modern bows aren't much different than a crossbow.

Lol....good one

Yah except a few FUNDAMENTAL differences.

Modern muzzle loaders aren't much different than a rifle.

And modern crossbows aren't much different than muzzle loaders

LC

3blade · #6 10-23-2014, 08:54 AM

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Originally Posted by dmcbride

Modern bows aren't much different than a crossbow.

So you can hold your bow at full draw for 8 hours? How bout if we test it pointing at your vehicle. A crossbow is a gun with a different projectile.

Fwiw, every bowhunting culture in history has used the best materials available to build the most effective bows possible. Ours is no different. Stop playing into the hands of antihunters.

dmcbride · #7 10-23-2014, 09:22 AM

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Originally Posted by 3blade

So you can hold your bow at full draw for 8 hours? How bout if we test it pointing at your vehicle. A crossbow is a gun with a different projectile.

Fwiw, every bowhunting culture in history has used the best materials available to build the most effective bows possible. Ours is no different. Stop playing into the hands of antihunters.

A cross bow is closer to a modern bow than a rifle by far. Stick and string, powered by muscles.

No need to hold a bow at full draw for 8 hours and also no need to leave a crossbow cocked for 8 hrs. 30 seconds or less is all that is needed. Modern bows with high let offs let an archer draw and hold much longer than traditional gear and are closer to a crossbow than they are to traditional gear when it comes to holding the weight with human power. 80% let off is darn close to 100% let off.

I have used all three methods in this order (crossbow, Modern bow and now a longbow) and in my opinion the modern bow is closer to a crossbow than traditional gear.

No playing into the hands of anti hunters, just stating my opinion from my experiences.

3blade · #8 10-23-2014, 09:26 AM

Answer the question. Or take your trolling back to the general section.

dmcbride · #9 10-23-2014, 09:30 AM

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Originally Posted by 3blade

Answer the question. Or take your trolling back to the general section.

Come on now, we both now the answer to that question.

Just stating my opinion regarding the OP's question.

3blade · #10 10-23-2014, 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by dmcbride

Come on now, we both now the answer to that question.

Just stating my opinion regarding the OP's question.

Exactly.

He didn't ask about crossbows.

L.O.S.T.Arrow · #11 10-23-2014, 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by dmcbride

Modern bows aren't much different than a crossbow.

dmcbride · #12 10-23-2014, 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by 3blade

Exactly.

He didn't ask about crossbows.

No he didn't ask about crossbows but,

traditional gear=0% let off
Modern bow=80% let off
crossbow= 100% let off

What is closer to the other?

How about a bow with a 99% let-off? I am sure it won't be long with the way technology is progressing now day's. Point is there is going to have to be a line drawn eventually on what is considered a modern bow and a crossbow.

Hypothetical question. What if one was to make a trigger system for a crossbow that was required to keep, say a pound of pressure on the trigger or it will fire? Wouldn't that mean that it is being held by muscular power and could be used in the archery season?

Lefty-Canuck · #13 10-23-2014, 10:01 AM

There is a device that holds a modern compound bow at full draw....not legal for hunting in Alberta.

LC

3blade · #14 10-23-2014, 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Lefty-Canuck

There is a device that holds a modern compound bow at full draw....not legal for hunting in Alberta.

LC

He is not interested in logic.

dmcbride · #15 10-23-2014, 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by 3blade

He is not interested in logic.

I am fully interested in logic.

What should the line be for let-off? 80%, 90% or 100%.

I should have known better than to use the crossbow as an example. My bad.

dmcbride · #16 10-23-2014, 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Lefty-Canuck

There is a device that holds a modern compound bow at full draw....not legal for hunting in Alberta.

LC

Just googled that.

http://www.drawloc.com/content/our-history

Looks like it would be good for people who have disabilities.

What I am trying to get at is, how much let-off is to much before it is considered something besides a bow.

L.O.S.T.Arrow · #17 10-23-2014, 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by dmcbride

Just googled that.

http://www.drawloc.com/content/our-history

Looks like it would be good for people who have disabilities.

What I am trying to get at is, how much let-off is to much before it is considered something besides a bow.

let off is simply holding weight...a 70 lb bow still requires 70 pounds manual pull to acheive the draw...a 100% let off bow will still require that 70 lb draw...

Let off is is an advancement in accuracy due to a more precise shot...most likely let off has saved a lot of wounded animals ...back in the day of 30 % let off one wanted to get rid of that arrow in a hurry...lol

They have had 90% or more let off...most dont like it...many dont like 80% let off and will order in 65% let off...they like the tension for accuracy..a crisper release...

If one could draw an 100 lb bow with 0 lb pull and 100% LO...and the arrow stays at full draw without holding string when drawn and arrow is release by a trigger on grip...thats no longer a muscular bow...

sure would like to play with that tho...lol

JMHO

Neil

Dan4570 · #18 10-23-2014, 12:33 PM

All bows and crossbows are somewhat modern in build. The style of shooting may be considered trditional,but their construction is far from tradition. Comparing a modern recurve to a 19th century recurve is like comparing a percussion rifle to an inline muzzleloader.

Shooting a compound dosent get you closer to a kill in my opinion. Not many people effectively kill at more than 40 yards regardless of 80% or 0%

Shooting an inline dosent get you closer to a harvest than a percussion rifle. Most harvests in North America are taken within 100 yards

Every firearm and bow we use on the market today are modern tools based off traditional designs. The bolt action rifle we still use today was built in late 1800's maby 50 years after the percussion cap?

Its all a ****ing contest like chevy vs ford vs dodge.
I use both (traditional and compound bows) both have their pros and cons.
I prefer a lever over a bolt any day.
Just my 2 cents