Go Back   Alberta Outdoorsmen Forum > Main Category > Fishing Discussion

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 01-30-2020, 06:48 PM
getatmewolf getatmewolf is offline
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Brooks
Posts: 264
Default Fisheries meeting in Brooks, FEB 13th

Evening, our local fish and game club in Brooks will be hosting the southern AB fisheries biologists for an open house format meeting Feb 13, from 430 to 730 at the JBS Center.
This would be a good opportunity for those in the Brooks area that don't want to go to a larger center and still be informed on the state of our fisheries and any possible upcoming changes. Open to the public, the fish and game club was approached to host in an attempt to reach more people.
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 01-30-2020, 07:45 PM
WildCats WildCats is offline
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Posts: 534
Default

Sounds like a lot of lakes will be opened up to Walleye retention, abandoning the tag system.

WC
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 01-31-2020, 07:00 AM
Poppa Poppa is offline
 
Join Date: Aug 2014
Posts: 1,070
Default

very curious about the upcoming changes. I filled out the recent survey that was going around online from AB Fish and Wildlife. The gist of what I said was "do whatever you need to do to create a TROPHY walleye fishery, and not just a 'put and keep'...like currently exists..."
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 01-31-2020, 07:54 AM
calgarygringo calgarygringo is offline
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: calgary
Posts: 3,004
Default

Was a the one in Calgary and focus is going to be on stocking, slot sizes, take smaller sizes and larger sizes and leave prime spawn sizes, open sizes on winterkill prone lakes to name a few. Tag system not a favorite and looks to be out or close to it. My gut says all these have really been decided anyways and they are just getting feedback ahead of the planned changes but who knows.



Quote:
Originally Posted by Poppa View Post
very curious about the upcoming changes. I filled out the recent survey that was going around online from AB Fish and Wildlife. The gist of what I said was "do whatever you need to do to create a TROPHY walleye fishery, and not just a 'put and keep'...like currently exists..."
__________________
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 02-01-2020, 07:12 AM
deschambault deschambault is offline
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Posts: 385
Default

WOW, this sounds like actual intelligent fishery management. It seems to me that up to now Alberta fishery management was either 1) Let's kill all the big fish or 2) Let's go completely catch and release. Slot limits with some limited harvest ability is what Fish and Wildlife has been consistently saying doesn't work in Alberta, I still can't believe they are moving towards it. I wonder what gappened to change some minds, if this actually true.
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 02-01-2020, 07:13 AM
deschambault deschambault is offline
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Posts: 385
Default

happened
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 02-12-2020, 06:52 AM
getatmewolf getatmewolf is offline
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Brooks
Posts: 264
Default

One more bump, set your clock boys!(and girls)


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 02-12-2020, 09:28 AM
pinelakeperch's Avatar
pinelakeperch pinelakeperch is offline
 
Join Date: May 2012
Location: Alberta
Posts: 2,444
Default

I'd greatly appreciate any updates from the meeting tomorrow. My dad wanted to attend but is unable to due to training his new puppy at home.
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 02-12-2020, 08:59 PM
Wes_G Wes_G is offline
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Posts: 1,302
Default

The thing I don't like is they listed Newell as a potential lake for stocking. Considering its one of the only lakes in southern Alberta that can consistently produce trophy sized fish, I fear that dumping a **** ton of walleye into it will destroy the forage base of the lake and turn it into another lake full of 14È skinny walleyes.
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 02-12-2020, 09:23 PM
calgarygringo calgarygringo is offline
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: calgary
Posts: 3,004
Default

Discussed this with one of the bios Calgary meeting. One of the with Newell is there are many big fish but recruitment is not doing as well for some reason. He said that iif they open it up as is and many of the bigger ones are taken out there is not a bunch of the younger spawning groups coming up and eventually there will be no old fish and only a few spawners. They are also considering moving forage around as well. Twin Valley is classic there. Tons of pike but they are just eating themselves so they are going to put perch and whites in to help as well as walleyes.



Quote:
Originally Posted by Wes_G View Post
The thing I don't like is they listed Newell as a potential lake for stocking. Considering its one of the only lakes in southern Alberta that can consistently produce trophy sized fish, I fear that dumping a **** ton of walleye into it will destroy the forage base of the lake and turn it into another lake full of 14È skinny walleyes.
__________________
Reply With Quote
  #11  
Old 02-13-2020, 08:27 PM
Wes_G Wes_G is offline
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Posts: 1,302
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by calgarygringo View Post
Discussed this with one of the bios Calgary meeting. One of the with Newell is there are many big fish but recruitment is not doing as well for some reason. He said that iif they open it up as is and many of the bigger ones are taken out there is not a bunch of the younger spawning groups coming up and eventually there will be no old fish and only a few spawners. They are also considering moving forage around as well. Twin Valley is classic there. Tons of pike but they are just eating themselves so they are going to put perch and whites in to help as well as walleyes.

I would rather see them just keep it the way it is then. Unless they are only going to put a couple thousand fish into it every year, that lake will be just like all the others in no time if they start dumping hundreds of thousands of fish in.
Reply With Quote
  #12  
Old 02-13-2020, 08:34 PM
calgarygringo calgarygringo is offline
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: calgary
Posts: 3,004
Default

Interesting to see the reasoning recruitment is not all that great considering the larger fish there.


QUOTE=Wes_G;4110703]I would rather see them just keep it the way it is then. Unless they are only going to put a couple thousand fish into it every year, that lake will be just like all the others in no time if they start dumping hundreds of thousands of fish in.[/QUOTE]
__________________

Last edited by calgarygringo; 02-13-2020 at 09:03 PM.
Reply With Quote
  #13  
Old 02-13-2020, 08:44 PM
pikergolf's Avatar
pikergolf pikergolf is online now
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Posts: 11,286
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Wes_G View Post
The thing I don't like is they listed Newell as a potential lake for stocking. Considering its one of the only lakes in southern Alberta that can consistently produce trophy sized fish, I fear that dumping a **** ton of walleye into it will destroy the forage base of the lake and turn it into another lake full of 14È skinny walleyes.
The reason they are considering stocking is because people want to keep fish. My understanding is that every stocked lake will be put and take.
__________________
“One of the sad signs of our times is that we have demonized those who produce, subsidized those who refuse to produce, and canonized those who complain.”

Thomas Sowell
Reply With Quote
  #14  
Old 02-16-2020, 08:48 PM
Wes_G Wes_G is offline
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Posts: 1,302
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by pikergolf View Post
The reason they are considering stocking is because people want to keep fish. My understanding is that every stocked lake will be put and take.
Or could it be that just the vocal minority that can't catch without keeping are the ones doing all the complaining? I would rather keep a fishery that can produce big fish the way it is then have all the lakes producing 14-16" keepers and that's all they are capable of, But that's just me.
Reply With Quote
  #15  
Old 02-17-2020, 10:42 AM
Habfan's Avatar
Habfan Habfan is offline
 
Join Date: Sep 2013
Location: Calgary
Posts: 1,721
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by pikergolf View Post
The reason they are considering stocking is because people want to keep fish. My understanding is that every stocked lake will be put and take.
People want what Saskatchewan has. This is what they do, put and take. Lakes that produce big fish will still produce big fish as long as you don’t close lakes to retention after you stock them. This was the mistake that Alberta made.
Reply With Quote
  #16  
Old 02-17-2020, 10:45 AM
Habfan's Avatar
Habfan Habfan is offline
 
Join Date: Sep 2013
Location: Calgary
Posts: 1,721
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by deschambault View Post
WOW, this sounds like actual intelligent fishery management. It seems to me that up to now Alberta fishery management was either 1) Let's kill all the big fish or 2) Let's go completely catch and release. Slot limits with some limited harvest ability is what Fish and Wildlife has been consistently saying doesn't work in Alberta, I still can't believe they are moving towards it. I wonder what gappened to change some minds, if this actually true.
A new Premier that actually fishes. Opening up a new hatchery as well as repairing 2 others. Putting the money from licences back into fisheries like it should be.
Reply With Quote
  #17  
Old 02-18-2020, 09:45 AM
MoFugger21's Avatar
MoFugger21 MoFugger21 is offline
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: Southern Alberta
Posts: 1,777
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by calgarygringo View Post
Discussed this with one of the bios Calgary meeting. One of the with Newell is there are many big fish but recruitment is not doing as well for some reason. He said that iif they open it up as is and many of the bigger ones are taken out there is not a bunch of the younger spawning groups coming up and eventually there will be no old fish and only a few spawners. They are also considering moving forage around as well. Twin Valley is classic there. Tons of pike but they are just eating themselves so they are going to put perch and whites in to help as well as walleyes.
When is this supposed to take place? And they're going to stock all 3 species?
Reply With Quote
  #18  
Old 02-18-2020, 11:04 AM
pinelakeperch's Avatar
pinelakeperch pinelakeperch is offline
 
Join Date: May 2012
Location: Alberta
Posts: 2,444
Default

Did anyone actually attend this meeting, lol?
Reply With Quote
  #19  
Old 02-18-2020, 11:35 AM
Sundancefisher's Avatar
Sundancefisher Sundancefisher is offline
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Calgary Perchdance
Posts: 18,775
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by calgarygringo View Post
Discussed this with one of the bios Calgary meeting. One of the with Newell is there are many big fish but recruitment is not doing as well for some reason. He said that iif they open it up as is and many of the bigger ones are taken out there is not a bunch of the younger spawning groups coming up and eventually there will be no old fish and only a few spawners. They are also considering moving forage around as well. Twin Valley is classic there. Tons of pike but they are just eating themselves so they are going to put perch and whites in to help as well as walleyes.
I know places they can get perch.

One year we live trapped about 40,000 perch in 3 days. Midnapore has tons of perch. Chaparral will soon enough have tons.

I would be curious as to how many perch our Fyke nets could catch with our reduced perch population.

Outside of that I would be curious as to where F&W would capture perch. Does twin have a minnow community?
__________________
It is not the most intellectual of the species that survives; it is not the strongest that survives; but the species that survives is the one that is able best to adapt and adjust to the changing environment in which it finds itself. Charles Darwin
Reply With Quote
  #20  
Old 02-18-2020, 12:13 PM
WayneChristie's Avatar
WayneChristie WayneChristie is offline
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Posts: 12,772
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by pinelakeperch View Post
Did anyone actually attend this meeting, lol?
I talked to Frank on the lake Sunday apparently only 23 people showed up
__________________
Dinos
681

Shove your masks and your vaccines
Non Compliance!!!!!!
"According to Trudeau, Im an extremist who needs to be dealt with"
#Trudeau must go

Wheres The Funds

The vaccine was not brought in for COVID. COVID was brought in for the vaccine. Once you realize that, everything else makes sense.” ~ Dr. Reiner Fuellmich
Reply With Quote
  #21  
Old 02-18-2020, 01:23 PM
pinelakeperch's Avatar
pinelakeperch pinelakeperch is offline
 
Join Date: May 2012
Location: Alberta
Posts: 2,444
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by WayneChristie View Post
I talked to Frank on the lake Sunday apparently only 23 people showed up
Any word on potential changes to local lakes?
Reply With Quote
  #22  
Old 02-18-2020, 02:33 PM
saddleup's Avatar
saddleup saddleup is offline
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: On the 49th 'The Medicine Line''
Posts: 1,041
Arrow

Its too bad, but i think most people are tired of going to Govt meetings and receiving lip service, and nothing goes any further. I for one. I have also done my own due diligence on some local southern alberta fishing holes, only to find out that prev. inquires never went anywhere, and the new guy in charge never was told, or so i am told, about the prev inquires............. so why go ???
Reply With Quote
  #23  
Old 02-19-2020, 06:57 PM
pikergolf's Avatar
pikergolf pikergolf is online now
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Posts: 11,286
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by pinelakeperch View Post
Did anyone actually attend this meeting, lol?
I was at the Medicine Hat one.
__________________
“One of the sad signs of our times is that we have demonized those who produce, subsidized those who refuse to produce, and canonized those who complain.”

Thomas Sowell
Reply With Quote
  #24  
Old 02-19-2020, 08:30 PM
stob stob is online now
 
Join Date: Jun 2013
Posts: 1,428
Default

Its is what government does.. they make a decision or an ultimatum then do a dog and pony show and call it consultation ...same with all the education and medical ultimatums, I mean consultations - lol
Reply With Quote
  #25  
Old 02-19-2020, 08:37 PM
old dog's Avatar
old dog old dog is offline
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Calgary
Posts: 929
Default

Just my opinion but I would rather catch the same fish over and over again than catch it once and eat it. I have gotten use to catch and release vs eating everything I catch. Why not fish for the sport vs the next meal. I do respect everyone’s opinion and this is just mine. Thanks
Reply With Quote
  #26  
Old 02-20-2020, 05:42 AM
tallieho tallieho is offline
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: calgary
Posts: 1,216
Smile

Quote:
Originally Posted by old dog View Post
Just my opinion but I would rather catch the same fish over and over again than catch it once and eat it. I have gotten use to catch and release vs eating everything I catch. Why not fish for the sport vs the next meal. I do respect everyone’s opinion and this is just mine. Thanks
Well said Agree with you..
Reply With Quote
  #27  
Old 02-20-2020, 06:14 AM
Smoky buck Smoky buck is online now
 
Join Date: Oct 2018
Posts: 7,327
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by old dog View Post
Just my opinion but I would rather catch the same fish over and over again than catch it once and eat it. I have gotten use to catch and release vs eating everything I catch. Why not fish for the sport vs the next meal. I do respect everyone’s opinion and this is just mine. Thanks
I rarely keep fish myself and usually when I do it’s one that had a poor chance of survival. But I completely support well managed catch and keep because it is beneficial to a fishery. This can be valuable tool in managing the balance so the forage is not depleted. In turn this provides a healthy system with feed to promote recruitment and maximum potential for fish quality. Providing c&k opportunity also promotes fishing and in turn gives anglers a larger voice. This also increases available funding. Another thing I have noticed is if anglers are happy with their fishery there is a higher % of anglers willing to get involved to give back

The key to this is achieving a well managed and balanced fishery.
Reply With Quote
  #28  
Old 02-20-2020, 07:23 AM
old dog's Avatar
old dog old dog is offline
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Calgary
Posts: 929
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Smoky buck View Post
I rarely keep fish myself and usually when I do it’s one that had a poor chance of survival. But I completely support well managed catch and keep because it is beneficial to a fishery. This can be valuable tool in managing the balance so the forage is not depleted. In turn this provides a healthy system with feed to promote recruitment and maximum potential for fish quality. Providing c&k opportunity also promotes fishing and in turn gives anglers a larger voice. This also increases available funding. Another thing I have noticed is if anglers are happy with their fishery there is a higher % of anglers willing to get involved to give back

The key to this is achieving a well managed and balanced fishery.
Agree but the key words are “well managed”. And we all have thoughts on those two words.
Reply With Quote
  #29  
Old 02-20-2020, 12:14 PM
Smoky buck Smoky buck is online now
 
Join Date: Oct 2018
Posts: 7,327
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by old dog View Post
Agree but the key words are “well managed”. And we all have thoughts on those two words.
No argument from me there
Reply With Quote
  #30  
Old 02-20-2020, 07:15 PM
rupert rupert is offline
 
Join Date: Jul 2012
Posts: 53
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by pikergolf View Post
I was at the Medicine Hat one.
Can you tell us what was said? Thanks
Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -6. The time now is 11:53 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.5
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.