No criminal charges for Lethbridge officer who euthanized injured deer with cruiser

[urban rednek]

This is a travesty. Original story and thread here:
http://www.outdoorsmenforum.ca/showt...ght=Lethbridge

https://calgarysun.com/news/crime/no...r-with-cruiser
Calgary Sun article by Zach Laing:

A Lethbridge police officer who used his vehicle to euthanize a deer after it had been hit by a car will not face charges, a police watchdog said Wednesday.

On Jan. 5, a video shared online that later went viral showed the officer driving back and forth over the juvenile mule deer, which had significant injuries to its hindquarters.

The Alberta Serious Incident Response Team, which investigated the incident before determining no charges would be laid, said there was no perfect option when it came to disposing of the wounded animal.

“The reality is, if you’re euthanizing an injured animal, there’s not really a good or pretty way of doing it, other than by sedation,” ASIRT executive director Susan Hughson said.

The officer had numerous options available for euthanizing the deer, which included his service pistol, a baton or tactical knife, along with tactical weapons such as a Heckler & Koch MP5 gun, a Remington 870 12-gauge breaching shotgun and an Arwen less-lethal launcher.

The 15-minute video was filmed by a woman who had witnessed the collision between a vehicle and the deer.

“It was and remains profoundly distressing and heartbreaking to watch,” said Greg Gudelot, a lawyer with ASIRT. “It is unforgettable and impossible to unsee.”

Gudelot said the officer was concerned about a potential ricochet if he used one of his available firearms.

“The officer decided that the risk of a possible ricochet was too great, given nearby homes, apartments and vehicles driving in the area,” he said.

“He considered attempting to drag the deer to another location where he could safely use a firearm but felt this carried its own challenges, when what he wanted was to euthanize the deer as quickly and humanely as possible.”
The options left for the officer, ASIRT executive director Susan Hughson said, were to use his tactical knife, baton or the police vehicle.

“The firearm was not the option in this case. Having got an opinion from a firearms expert, at the end of the day, (when) the ricochet is a reasonable possibility, it is no longer an option. Period. Full stop,” Hughson said.

“There was no good solution. Of the options available, they were all bad — including let the animal die naturally.”

After the incident, the officer received death threats about his action.

“The death threats and extremely abusive comments directed at the officer have been difficult on him and his family,” Lethbridge police spokeswoman Kristen Harding said in a statement.

ASIRT said the officer did not contact Alberta Fish and Wildlife, although the on-call officer that night was located near Cardston — about 80 kilometres away.

Harding said officers in Lethbridge deal with roughly 100 calls regarding injured deer each year.

Hughson said there was no established protocol or practice requiring Lethbridge officers to access veterinary services to euthanize wildlife.

It was the first time ASIRT — assisted by Alberta Fish and Wildlife and the Alberta Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals — has investigated the death of an animal at the hands of an officer, Hughson said.

She said it’s hoped the incident can be viewed as a learning experience.

“(Recommendations are) not normally our practice, both the Crown and myself believe that maybe this case is an opportunity to examine how we, and law enforcement, engage wildlife,” she said.

“If a vet could euthanize the animal using a drug or tranquillizer of some sort, it would’ve been better than a police cruiser, tire iron or tactical knife. While the vehicle didn’t work out particularly well, quite frankly, I think it would’ve been worse to use a baton, tire iron or a knife.”

[elkhunter11]

Better not allow the officers to carry firearms in the city, if they can't safely use then to dispatch a deer laying on the ground without a danger of ricochet, they certainly wouldn't be able to use them without the risk of ricochet, when the stress levels are even higher, with their lives in danger.

[ETOWNCANUCK]

Originally Posted by elkhunter11

Better not allow the officers to carry firearms in the city, if they can't safely use then to dispatch a deer laying on the ground without a danger of ricochet, they certainly wouldn't be able to use them without the risk of ricochet, when the stress levels are even higher, with their lives in danger.

You may notice that with situations like that most police services have their own in house tactical team.
And yeah if there is a risk, you wouldn’t want them accidentally killing or hurting an innocent bystander.

People are stupid, they get told to move back, but continue to put their faces forward.
A cops job would be a lot easier without slack jawed mouth breathers, hanging around.

He chose the lesser of two evils and still gets persecuted for it.

Damn if you do
Damn if you don’t.

[elkhunter11]

Originally Posted by ETOWNCANUCK

You may notice that with situations like that most police services have their own in house tactical team.
And yeah if there is a risk, you wouldn’t want them accidentally killing or hurting an innocent bystander.

People are stupid, they get told to move back, but continue to put their faces forward.
A cops job would be a lot easier without slack jawed mouth breathers, hanging around.

He chose the lesser of two evils and still gets persecuted for it.

Damn if you do
Damn if you don’t.

If they have their own in house tactical team, why do they carry firearms themselves? And if the officer isn't even capable of moving people out of his way, he isn't much of an officer.

[Pathfinder76]

This is the right outcome. Fish and Wildlife wouldn’t deal with it, his superior said do not discharge your weapon, and he did what he thought he could do. Once he started he was committed to finish. I do not believe he had malicious intent and I really have a hard time jumping all over someone whom I genuinely believed felt they were doing the right thing with the cards they were dealt.

[ETOWNCANUCK]

Originally Posted by elkhunter11

If they have their own in house tactical team, why do they carry firearms themselves? And if the officer isn't even capable of moving people out of his way, he isn't much of an officer.

What do you do for work again?

If you aren’t capable of doing said task you aren’t much of an employee.

Oh, you did what you felt was right given the circumstances and you provided a reasonable explanation,
Well I don’t agree I think you should be fired immediately.

As a local armchair expert on everything I feel that I am able to pass judgment on something that I know little if anything about.
So I have no idea how to do your job, but I’m going to judge you for it anyways.

[elkhunter11]

Originally Posted by ETOWNCANUCK

What do you do for work again?

If you aren’t capable of doing said task you aren’t much of an employee.

Oh, you did what you felt was right given the circumstances and you provided a reasonable explanation,
Well I don’t agree I think you should be fired immediately.

As a local armchair expert on everything I feel that I am able to pass judgment on something that I know little if anything about.
So I have no idea how to do your job, but I’m going to judge you for it anyways.

I am retired, and nobody ever complains about me not being up to the task.

As for dispatching animals, I have dispatched many in over 45 years of hunting, and guess what, nobody was injured, and nobody's property was ever damaged by a ricochet.

How many deer or other big game animals have you dispatched ?

[HyperMOA]

Originally Posted by ETOWNCANUCK

What do you do for work again?

If you aren’t capable of doing said task you aren’t much of an employee.

Oh, you did what you felt was right given the circumstances and you provided a reasonable explanation,
Well I don’t agree I think you should be fired immediately.

As a local armchair expert on everything I feel that I am able to pass judgment on something that I know little if anything about.
So I have no idea how to do your job, but I’m going to judge you for it anyways.

In a trades position you may be fired for your scenario above. At a minimum you would be called out for your mistakes. Likely somebody would point out your fault; and tell you how to correct the mistake and prevent it from happening again. Then you’d likely deal with having to repair/replace the mistake.

So if I don’t torque rod bolts on an engine at work and it sends rods through the block. ASIRT doesn’t come and sugarcoat the situation and tell me there was no good tool available to torque those rod bolts with an absolve me of all responsibility. That is snowflake nonsense. No my employer would have meetings with me and real consequences would be faced by myself. From my mistake it would serve as a valuable reminder for the rest of my career and many who work with me as well.

I don’t think he needs to be fired. He does have to admit to making a poor choice though. He needs to own that; he did make a poor choice. This isn’t a knock on LEO. It’s a knock on one very bad decision.

[ETOWNCANUCK]

And there shouldn’t be.

Was it the best option, probably not, but even letting it die naturally would have been wrong, or using his firearm, knife or baton.


Lessons learned and I’m sure the death threats this man received were a little far.

I wonder if this wasn’t a cop, but one of us (and maybe he is) would it have received the same attention and opinions.

[elkhunter11]

Originally Posted by ETOWNCANUCK

And there shouldn’t be.

Was it the best option, probably not, but even letting it die naturally would have been wrong, or using his firearm, knife or baton.


Lessons learned and I’m sure the death threats this man received were a little far.

I wonder if this wasn’t a cop, but one of us (and maybe he is) would it have received the same attention and opinions.

I would feel the same way regardless of who needlessly tortured an animal like he did, because he was too clueless to dispatch it in a humane manner. And in his case it would be perfectly legal for him to discharge his firearm in the city, whereas most people wouldn't have that option.

[RandyBoBandy]

Ricochet This highly trained officer should know how to discharge his firearm without a ricochet, given he knows his surroundings DUH

[Kurt505]

I think they use Me, Myself and Irene as their training video...

[Dewey Cox]

I haven't seen the video, but here's my take.
Backing over its head isn't ideal, but he obviously didn't know what to do.
Better end for the deer than being slowly eaten alive by a pack of coyotes though.

[vcmm]

The idiot shouldn't have a badge never mind a firearm. NO excuse for what he did. Trust me I know a few things on dispatching animals safely.

[Positrac]

Originally Posted by Kurt505

I think they use Me, Myself and Irene as their training video...

If so he should have been prepared to club the poor thing to death with a double-ended dong...

[elkhunter11]

Originally Posted by RandyBoBandy

Ricochet This highly trained officer should know how to discharge his firearm without a ricochet, given he knows his surroundings DUH

Exactly! It's not rocket science to figure out how to use a firearm at close range, without presenting a danger of ricochet. If he can't safely shoot an animal laying on the ground at extreme close range, how could he safely use his firearm in the city , when a human life is in danger?.

[grouse_hunter]

Not surprising; the internal review process for any law enforcement organization is but a farce staged to appease the general masses, to create an illusion of action if you will.

Was the cop too fat to drag the deer into the ditch?

[ETOWNCANUCK]

Originally Posted by elkhunter11

I would feel the same way regardless of who needlessly tortured an animal like he did, because he was too clueless to dispatch it in a humane manner. And in his case it would be perfectly legal for him to discharge his firearm in the city, whereas most people wouldn't have that option.

Ok officer.

Can you please recite where in your regulations and policy and procedures that you are allowed that.

I would assume one that wears the uniform is aware of such things.

Just one more reason to bash the cops.

Has it been a week already?

[vcmm]

Originally Posted by ETOWNCANUCK

Ok officer.

Can you please recite where in your regulations and policy and procedures that you are allowed that.

I would assume one that wears the uniform is aware of such things.

Just one more reason to bash the cops.

Has it been a week already?

Don't worry he's safe behind the Blue Shield. Most Leo's are great folks. Some should never wear a badge. Too bad they are all under the Blue shield insurance policy.

[ETOWNCANUCK]

Originally Posted by vcmm

Don't worry he's safe behind the Blue Shield. Most Leo's are great folks. Some should never wear a badge. Too bad they are all under the Blue shield insurance policy.

Some trades people are good folks and some should never swing a hammer, but they are covered under the same thing.

Just a guy trying to a job.

If this was a roughneck would the tar and feathers be the same?

[Trochu]

Originally Posted by ETOWNCANUCK

I wonder if this wasn’t a cop, but one of us (and maybe he is) would it have received the same attention and opinions.

I wonder if this wasn't a cop, but one of us (and maybe he is), would we be charged for animal abuse.

[58thecat]

Originally Posted by ETOWNCANUCK

And there shouldn’t be.

Was it the best option, probably not, but even letting it die naturally would have been wrong, or using his firearm, knife or baton.


Lessons learned and I’m sure the death threats this man received were a little far.

I wonder if this wasn’t a cop, but one of us (and maybe he is) would it have received the same attention and opinions.

Exactly.....

[270person]

Anyone who has watched the Kehoe brothers attempted takedown should be relieved this cop and 99% of the rest never discharge their guns.

Better options might have been to take the deer to the nearest coffee shop and cram him full of doughnuts and coffee until he expired, or take him back to the station and force him to fill out paperwork until he died of boredom.

We trust cops to exercise good judgement. This guy failed the test. Sometimes Darwin was wrong.

[pitw]

Gotta agree with ETOWNCANUCK on this one. Just cause he didn't know what he was doing doesn't mean he didn't at least try to do what was right. I see folk all the time who have no clue what they are doing but there are others who do nothing and I don't see that. So just by trying to do the right thing I'll give this fella a pass.

[pikergolf]

Originally Posted by pitw

Gotta agree with ETOWNCANUCK on this one. Just cause he didn't know what he was doing doesn't mean he didn't at least try to do what was right. I see folk all the time who have no clue what they are doing but there are others who do nothing and I don't see that. So just by trying to do the right thing I'll give this fella a pass.

X2 It was a gong show, but it was not malicious. People with years of life experience would have done things differently, but given the out come I'm sure he would too. Finding a suffering animal could overwhelm a young inexperienced person. We tend to see things through the filter of our own experiences, and what might be a no brainer for us could be a tough decision for someone else.

[graybeard]

Originally Posted by pitw

Gotta agree with ETOWNCANUCK on this one. Just cause he didn't know what he was doing doesn't mean he didn't at least try to do what was right. I see folk all the time who have no clue what they are doing but there are others who do nothing and I don't see that. So just by trying to do the right thing I'll give this fella a pass.

X2.....

Why didn't he call a supervisor?
Are they properly trained in dispatching an animal?
This is a policy issue. A 12 gauge is normally the common gun of choice for dispatching an animal for LEO's.

In his own mind I think he did what he had to do. I'll bet moving forward their policy and training will see some upgrading.....IMHO

[MooseRiverTrapper]

Originally Posted by urban rednek

MooseRiverTrapper you'd best stay down by the river.

I’ve hopped out of the truck and grabbed the axe a few times. But your living in make believe land with your buddies on this thread. When you see something suffering you make the decision to speed up the process or try help in live.

[urban rednek]

Originally Posted by MooseRiverTrapper

I’ve hopped out of the truck and grabbed the axe a few times. But your living in make believe land with your buddies on this thread. When you see something suffering you make the decision to speed up the process or try help in live.

Your lack of reading comprehension is sadly apparent; do I need to use simpler words from now on?
For the record, the travesty in this case that a person who chose to drive over a wounded deer 6 times instead of killing it quickly and reasonably humanely, is not being charged with cruelty to animals. Presumably because he was just trying to do the right thing, without any training, so it wasn't his fault. We (society in general) should all be so lucky.

What do you think would of happened if that had been you? or me? or Chuck? that was filmed performing this inhumane act?

FTR- you don't need to school me in 'How to make things dead".

[Vook]

I couldn't read the whole thread. It's all about cop must this, cop must that.
I would rather see more training about their actual day-to-day job than butcher training to satisfy some angry hunters who "kill numerous injured deer with his long gun, handgun, knife, button, toothpick"!

[Scott N]

Personally I think he should have been charged, like any of the rest of us would have been, and the courts could have sorted it out. Terrible PR for LPS.