Matt Rinella Speaks to Pope & Young

[DirtShooter]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=smT-3qDyJhQ&t=615s

Whether you agree with him or not it's a good watch/listen.

Sorry I don't know how to embed videos

[Jays toyz]

Man he despises his brothers work

[Pekan]

Family reunions must be awkward....

[270person]

Sure doesn't have his brothers charisma or public speaking talents.

[FlyTheory]

I’m glad this is being said. I think 90% of this is spot on.

[Pekan]

It sounds like the hunting in Montana has got really busy over the past few years. Makes sense that regular people are getting tired of the social media attention.
I've noticed a difference the number of people in some areas here in S AB, I thought it was a covid thing but maybe it's more the Meateater, Joe Rogan influence too.

Who knows what's going on, but I think we still have it pretty good here in AB.

[KyleSS]

I disagree with his main message.
He is promoting Socialism in hunting.

He wants everyone to have the same access to the same lands and the same tags. That isn't how a free market works.

That would be like me saying "I can't afford a Ferrari so they shouldn't be for sale"

[walking buffalo]

Originally Posted by KyleSS

I disagree with his main message.
He is promoting Socialism in hunting.

He wants everyone to have the same access to the same lands and the same tags. That isn't how a free market works.

That would be like me saying "I can't afford a Ferrari so they shouldn't be for sale"

The "Market" is what brought on the demise of wildlife in the late 1800's.

The "Socialism" is what allows you to hunt today.

It was the North American Model of Wildlife Conservation that brought Wildlife back to huntable numbers, and allowed people like me and YOU to access this resource.

Without this "Socialist" wildlife management scheme, YOU, and me, would never have been able to access wildlife, and it would not exist as a Public Resource.
Quite simply, eliminating the "Free Market" is what created the unique and wonderful legislation that retains wildlife as a Public resource, with public hunting a requisite.


You're being naïve to believe that if the "Free Market" was allowed to rule access to Wildlife back in the early 1900's, that you, or anyone on AO, would have the right or ability to hunt.

Looking forward, the same will be true. If the "Free Market" reigns in determining access to Wildlife, Public Hunting will cease to exist in quite short order.

[pikergolf]

Originally Posted by KyleSS

I disagree with his main message.
He is promoting Socialism in hunting.

He wants everyone to have the same access to the same lands and the same tags. That isn't how a free market works.

That would be like me saying "I can't afford a Ferrari so they shouldn't be for sale"

Well if you start with the premise that wildlife belongs to everyone you are already wrong.

[Pekan]

Originally Posted by KyleSS

I disagree with his main message.
He is promoting Socialism in hunting.

He wants everyone to have the same access to the same lands and the same tags. That isn't how a free market works.

That would be like me saying "I can't afford a Ferrari so they shouldn't be for sale"

Is that what you heard?

I heard him say that the influence of social media and the promotion of hunting is having some very negative effects for hunters. He thinks it's gone too far.

A great example of socialism in hunting would be hunting on the zillions of acres of "crown" ie STATE land we have here in Alberta. While hunting a game species which is managed as STATE property. Then taking home 50 lbs of red meat that you paid $40 for! That all sounds kinda socialist.....

[KyleSS]

Originally Posted by pikergolf

Well if you start with the premise that wildlife belongs to everyone you are already wrong.

In my point, I specifically pointed out access to land and tags.

Not everyone can have access to the same land or all land would then be public or publicly accessed.

Having all huntable lands available to access for everyone would lead to the demise of wildlife populations.

Allowing everyone access to the same tags would cripple wildlife populations.

He also points out that outfitted hunts are not real hunts as they are just the trigger. They don't do any scouting or preparation for the hunt.

This is no different than someone using a relator to buy a house or a lawyer to draw up a contract. You can do it all yourself but the majority of individuals choose to procure these services.

What about back country hunts where you're hiking for days on end to find the animal such as a sheep, or goat hunt? Are those individuals still just a trigger finger?


I also find it interesting that he never discusses seasons. If everything needs to be fair and equal as he describes, then why aren't the seasons equal for all.

I also feel that he cherry picked the companies that he is contrasting as he never spoke about any weapon manufactures. Unless he uses self made weapons, there is a high probability that the weapon manufacture that he uses has a "pro staff" and i'm sure they support tv shows as well as the posting on social media.

The other point that threw me off is "if you buy land you need to share it with as many people as possible" but earlier he said that "over crowding is hurting hunting opportunities"

So he doesn't want a lot of people on public lands, but if you own private land you need to share it with a ton of people.

Not very sound logic with some contradicting statements coming from him.

[leeelmer]

There are a few stark differences between the USA and Canada
You can and most do, charge for access to private land. And in some states land owners have tags that they sell, along with the access they sell.
Here it is illegal's to do so, I know, I know, it is happening, but the law says is it not allowed.
Also, the crown owns all the wildlife in Canada, that is why we perceive it as a public resource, but in essence it is not. The crown allows us to hunt them, as long as we buy tags, and follow the seasons that have been legislated to us.
In some units, in some states, there are no tags available to hunters, only to land owners, and in those states, some residence are mad about it. That is what he is talking about. Unless you are willing to shell out thousands of dollars to hunt elk on someone's ranch, you cannot hunt elk in that area. That is why he is saying if you own land, you need to allow anyone to hunt.
This is not the case in Alberta, as there is a ton of crown land, or at least lease land, and we cannot charge for access, so in essence, anyone can go hunting in all areas, as you can get a draw or over the counter tag here.
He is upset as he see's more and more people out on public lands in his state, as more and more people have been reached by social media, and tv shows, where before people from out of state, had no clue there were those type of opportunities in that area.
He also doesn't like that if you have money you can hunt where ever. Now I might not totally disagree with him on this, but it is a fact of life, and we see it here, if you are a American and have the money, you can come to Alberta every year and shoot every species of big game that lives here, you just have to pay a outfitter. And on that point I do not agree that our system is the best it could be.

[Bushrat]

Originally Posted by leeelmer

if you are a American and have the money, you can come to Alberta every year and shoot every species of big game that lives here, you just have to pay a outfitter. And on that point I do not agree that our system is the best it could be.

Outfitter tags are limited so not every rich American can come here and shoot whatever they want every year. That is why guided hunts for foreigners are getting so expensive, there is only so many tags for foreigners, outfitters charge whatever the market will bear. Getting to be pretty much like an auction these days. Have heard of foreigners getting their hunt cancelled and their deposit returned because some other foreigner offered/bid more for one of the few coveted tags an outfitter had.

[cody j]

He didn’t grow up in Montana, at one time he was also a newcomer and went hunting in spots where other people liked to hunt. Matt makes some good points but at other times just seems like an rambling angry old man

[tackleberry]

I think the bottom line is that R3 has worked too well. Its success has compounded marketing and social media hype. There was likely no intent for this to happen. R3 models hoped more hunters = more acceptance in the mainstream.

What we needed was a campaign that promoted hunting acceptance WITHOUT adding more hunters. Easier said than done, but that model would have not had the marketing explosion that the R3 models created.