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07-29-2015, 06:09 PM
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Outfitter/Guide responsibility & liability ?
With all the talk about "Cecil", I was curious as to the outfitters/guides/PH's liability or responsibility when it comes to them leading the hunter into an area where hunting is prohibited or into a different province or even country, or them baiting prior to your arrival without your knowledge ?
Where does the hunters' responsibility end, and the guides'/outfitters'/PHs' responsibility or liability begin ?
If a PH leads you into a "restricted area", or baits an animal without your knowledge, does (or should ?) the hunter have any legal responsibility ?
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07-29-2015, 07:06 PM
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It's the guide/outfitter's responsibility to ensure the client is legal.
I've had clients who wanted to kill game in a WMU we were not legal as well as shoot game on my resident tag, when we had no allocations for the animal in question. These cases make for an interesting hunt and unhappy clients.LOL oh yeah and no tips. 
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07-29-2015, 07:19 PM
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100% they rely on the Guide/Outfitter/PH
If the hunt is in North America I research the area first and often times bring my own GPS so I know where I am.
Across the pound there are no regs books or zones to study. You book with a reputable Outfitter/PH and hope they don't lie to you.
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07-29-2015, 08:52 PM
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The hunter relies on the guide.
The guide has to know his business.
If not, then this kinda crap happens.
I blame the guide 100% of the time.
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07-29-2015, 08:57 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by FishOutOfWater
With all the talk about "Cecil", I was curious as to the outfitters/guides/PH's liability or responsibility when it comes to them leading the hunter into an area where hunting is prohibited or into a different province or even country, or them baiting prior to your arrival without your knowledge ?
Where does the hunters' responsibility end, and the guides'/outfitters'/PHs' responsibility or liability begin ?
If a PH leads you into a "restricted area", or baits an animal without your knowledge, does (or should ?) the hunter have any legal responsibility ?
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You cannot claim ignorance of the law when you hunt and fish
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07-29-2015, 08:58 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by huntinstuff
The hunter relies on the guide.
The guide has to know his business.
If not, then this kinda crap happens.
I blame the guide 100% of the time.
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Your totally wrong, you must know the rules and regulations and not rely on your guide
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07-29-2015, 09:07 PM
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Originally Posted by levigne25
Your totally wrong, you must know the rules and regulations and not rely on your guide
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You don't know anything.
Client hires me because I know the job. Client listens to me. If he doesn't, he goes home, without his trophy and without a refund.
Wanna hunt in my country, I will take you. But you will play by the rules or you will be on the next floatplane.
When something goes wrong it is because the guide wasn't doing his job.
If the client wants to read the regs, good. But he doesn't know anything.
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07-29-2015, 09:15 PM
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As a hunting guide is working for an outfitter I think responsibility also lies on the outfitters shoulders to ensure the guide is up to par too.
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07-29-2015, 09:27 PM
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Originally Posted by huntinstuff
You don't know anything.
Client hires me because I know the job. Client listens to me. If he doesn't, he goes home, without his trophy and without a refund.
Wanna hunt in my country, I will take you. But you will play by the rules or you will be on the next floatplane.
When something goes wrong it is because the guide wasn't doing his job.
If the client wants to read the regs, good. But he doesn't know anything.
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Sorry , I know more then you think . I woudint listen to you if my life depended on it guides are a complete rip off . I listen to the regs and would not rely on what another person tells me
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07-29-2015, 09:31 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by huntinstuff
The hunter relies on the guide.
The guide has to know his business.
If not, then this kinda crap happens.
I blame the guide 100% of the time.
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You got that right Huntinstuff
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07-29-2015, 09:32 PM
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Originally Posted by levigne25
Sorry , I know more then you think . I woudint listen to you if my life depended on it guides are a complete rip off . I listen to the regs and would not rely on what another person tells me
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a hunter that doesn't listen to his guide will more times end up in trouble
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07-29-2015, 09:32 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by huntinstuff
You don't know anything.
Client hires me because I know the job. Client listens to me. If he doesn't, he goes home, without his trophy and without a refund.
Wanna hunt in my country, I will take you. But you will play by the rules or you will be on the next floatplane.
When something goes wrong it is because the guide wasn't doing his job.
If the client wants to read the regs, good. But he doesn't know anything.
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X2. Said that a lot more politely than I could of.
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07-29-2015, 09:35 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by nube
a hunter that doesn't listen to his guide will more times end up in trouble
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A hunter that needs a guide is incompetent when it comes to the outdoors and should not be hunting
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07-29-2015, 09:38 PM
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Originally Posted by levigne25
a hunter that needs a guide is incompetent when it comes to the outdoors and should not be hunting
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wow. .....
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07-29-2015, 09:38 PM
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Originally Posted by levigne25
A hunter that needs a guide is incompetent when it comes to the outdoors and should not be hunting
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You are showing your inexperience here, you should maybe quit digging the hole.....
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07-29-2015, 09:40 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by levigne25
A hunter that needs a guide is incompetent when it comes to the outdoors and should not be hunting
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So if you are a non resident hunting in Alberta, you'd ignore the regs?
Like Huntinstuff said, if you were my client you'd be long gone John and I'd be talking about you back at the campfire.
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07-29-2015, 09:41 PM
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lol....
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07-29-2015, 09:54 PM
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Originally Posted by levigne25
A hunter that needs a guide is incompetent when it comes to the outdoors and should not be hunting
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You have just argued with a numbed if guides about who us responsible yet you say you read the regulations at Hogg sand tine spouting that a hunter eho needs a guide is incompetent ???
You obviously have not been hunting long 
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07-29-2015, 09:57 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Redfrog
So if you are a non resident hunting in Alberta, you'd ignore the regs?
Like Huntinstuff said, if you were my client you'd be long gone John and I'd be talking about you back at the campfire.
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I'm not sure what your talking about ignoring he regs ???? If I'm a non resident I read the regs they provide me when I purchase my license and I get a map for crown land and use satellite maps simple as that . I'm not gonna throw thousands of dollars to a guide . Big rip off , wy rely on others lol
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07-29-2015, 10:01 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by levigne25
A hunter that needs a guide is incompetent when it comes to the outdoors and should not be hunting
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They also whine about Cabelas employees taking their gun in the back and figuring out which trigger lock fits a 4K gun the best...
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07-29-2015, 10:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Lefty-Canuck
lol....
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07-29-2015, 10:03 PM
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Originally Posted by catnthehat
You have just argued with a numbed if guides about who us responsible yet you say you read the regulations at Hogg sand tine spouting that a hunter eho needs a guide is incompetent ???
You obviously have not been hunting long
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Into the scotch tonight Cat?
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07-29-2015, 10:03 PM
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Does his hands match your personality ?
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Ummm....sure....I guess???
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Originally Posted by levigne25
I'm not sure what your talking about ignoring he regs ???? If I'm a non resident I read the regs they provide me when I purchase my license and I get a map for crown land and use satellite maps simple as that . I'm not gonna throw thousands of dollars to a guide . Big rip off , wy rely on others lol
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A non resident needs a guide or hunter host to hunt big game in Alberta.
You are either purposely trolling or just an ignorant idiot
Which is it ?
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07-29-2015, 10:05 PM
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Originally Posted by catnthehat
A non resident needs a guide or hunter host to hunt big game in Alberta.
You are either purposely trolling or just an ignorant idiot
Which is it ?
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E) All of the above.....
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07-29-2015, 10:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Hydro1
Into the scotch tonight Cat?
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Don 't drink I'm on my phone and even after I type and it looks good sometimes it screws up when I send it.
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Anytime I figure I've got this long range thing figured out, I just strap into the sling and irons and remind myself that I don't!
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07-29-2015, 10:07 PM
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Originally Posted by catnthehat
You are either purposely trolling or just an ignorant idiot
Which is it ?
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Look at 90% of what he posts. It's usually both.
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07-29-2015, 10:10 PM
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Originally Posted by levigne25
A hunter that needs a guide is incompetent when it comes to the outdoors and should not be hunting
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You're a clown bud
Come over to Zim with me next May and let's see how you do on a DIY Leopard hunt !!!
It will be easy to find you at least, we'll just follow the pee stains in the sand from everytime you got scared lol
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07-29-2015, 10:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Torkdiesel
You're a clown bud
Come over to Zim with me next May and let's see how you do on a DIY Leopard hunt !!!
It will be easy to find you at least, we'll just follow the pee stains in the sand from everytime you got scared lol |
Did you get scared ?
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07-29-2015, 10:13 PM
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Don 't drink I'm on my phone and even after I type and it looks good sometimes it screws up when I send it.
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Just bugging you Cat.
Same problem for me too.
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