O’Toole Pledges to Repeal Trudeau’s Attacks Against Gun Owners as PM

[steamy teabag]

Originally Posted by HyperMOA

I disagree. In the next election there is only one government that can form a government; they have already begun banning firearms.

Not only guns. They want to ban hunting now as a reason to grab more guns. Apparently this man is affiliated with a GC group.

https://www.vibby.com/watch?vib=QkI1ERvh5

[IronNoggin]

What You (We) Can Do: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KVcLK9b6aW4

[^v^Tinda wolf^v^]

Everyone I know will not hand their unregistered guns over to Trudeau, not even a question. I think it’s time for a new government all together. Canada just keeps bouncing back and forth from UCP to liberals and I won’t even say how I feel about the NDP.....quite honestly I am sick and tired of all three. Canada is screaming for change but yet the people keep voting these three back in! It’s time for some new faces and ideas! I wish we could kick all three of these parties to the curb and give someone new a try! A party that is actually in service for Canadians and not just its private agenda.

I think Trudeau figures we are all his slaves and he makes it sound that way. I wouldn’t put this guy out if he were flaming......I heard that

[bukwild]

Originally Posted by ^v^Tinda wolf^v^

Everyone I know will not hand their unregistered guns over to Trudeau, not even a question. I think it’s time for a new government all together. Canada just keeps bouncing back and forth from UCP to liberals and I won’t even say how I feel about the NDP.....quite honestly I am sick and tired of all three. Canada is screaming for change but yet the people keep voting these three back in! It’s time for some new faces and ideas! I wish we could kick all three of these parties to the curb and give someone new a try! A party that is actually in service for Canadians and not just its private agenda.

I think Trudeau figures we are all his slaves and he makes it sound that way. I wouldn’t put this guy out if he were flaming......I heard that

Folks fail to realize that our government (not unlike most others) has over the years become a massive corporation that is an entity to itself. It can no longer truly care what the citizens want or really need as it's sole purpose is it's own growth and survival. Elected officials are simply doing a job and collecting checks waiting on a retirement package unmatched anywhere else. Citizens have for too many years been asking the government to take care of them in too many ways. This has only perpetuated governments growth and separation from the citizenry. In return citizens have become nothing more than assets. Sadly there is only one way to change or stop what we have created.

[dgl1948]

Originally Posted by BCSteel

Scheer ran on that exact platform and look where it got him.

If someone has a majority of actual conservative values, they will not vote CPC. There is nothing right wing in that party anymore beyond the name.

If someone simply wants "not Trudeau" and is ready to accept that they will still have a left wing government, have at 'er.

Reality.

Period.

It got him more votes than any of the other parties.

[HyperMOA]

Originally Posted by dgl1948

It got him more votes than any of the other parties.

The geography of votes is more important than the number of votes though. It doesn’t matter that Scheer got more votes. Who is our PM today?

[dgl1948]

Originally Posted by HyperMOA

The geography of votes is more important than the number of votes though. It doesn’t matter that Scheer got more votes. Who is our PM today?

And now we know why the Liberals broke their election promise to reform the electoral system.

[Pekan]

Originally Posted by st99

The conservatives have nothing to offer to the east, they have no chance. Separation is our only hope. North America should have 4 countries: west coast, east coast, Kbec and central.

I hate to say it, but the separation card is Alberta's best move at this point. The easterners will continue to control the political landscape just by population, and our economies are too different.

Only thing, Ab would be part of the US in less than a generation. which may not be such a bad thing.

But if you could crack the country in half at Kenora......Maybe the west would be a viable nation.

[I’d rather be outdoors]

Originally Posted by Pekan

I hate to say it, but the separation card is Alberta's best move at this point. The easterners will continue to control the political landscape just by population, and our economies are too different.

Only thing, Ab would be part of the US in less than a generation. which may not be such a bad thing.

But if you could crack the country in half at Kenora......Maybe the west would be a viable nation.

Agree. Separation is completely viable. There are people that make it seem as if it’s not because they’ve still got a stake in game Canada (maybe nearing CPP or something of the like). If anyone thinks we’d be alone for long has their head in the sand and like I said, obviously still want to see us suffer under Ottawa at any cost.

[HyperMOA]

Originally Posted by I’d rather be outdoors

Agree. Separation is completely viable. There are people that make it seem as if it’s not because they’ve still got a stake in game Canada (maybe nearing CPP or something of the like). If anyone thinks we’d be alone for long has their head in the sand and like I said, obviously still want to see us suffer under Ottawa at any cost.

Even if Alberta separated Canada would still have to pay you your CPP entitlement. If I move to the US and become a US citizen I would still get my CPP paid out at 65 living in the states. Seperating won’t cause us to lose our CPP benefit. Now it would limit future years of contributions thus hampering your ability to get Max benefit payment but you’d never lose it.

[HyperMOA]

Originally Posted by dgl1948

And now we know why the Liberals broke their election promise to reform the electoral system.

Justin broke his promise of reform before that election. Trudeau knows that he would have to give too much power to the NDP and greens too much power. Much like the current government we have. He will get a majority again. Proportional representation woulda made that very difficult for him.

[Ackleyman]

Trudeau is not the problem. He is a mere fool.
The problem is the electoral that put the dickwad in office. The masses of millennial daisy sniffers and "new Canadians" getting lots of free money.
No vote even counts East of Manitoba border
BC -42 seats << 17 Conservative in 2019
AB - 34
SK - 14
Man -14

Ontario - 121
Quebec - 78

Then Liberal support from the East coast ?... It's not pretty.

[wally338]

It seems every party has election reform in their platform when they are trying to win the election but seem quite happy with the current system when they win, including Trudue and Harper.

[I’d rather be outdoors]

Originally Posted by HyperMOA

Even if Alberta separated Canada would still have to pay you your CPP entitlement. If I move to the US and become a US citizen I would still get my CPP paid out at 65 living in the states. Seperating won’t cause us to lose our CPP benefit. Now it would limit future years of contributions thus hampering your ability to get Max benefit payment but you’d never lose it.

Never knew this, thanks for the info. Getting tougher to think of reasons/motivations on why we should stay. Queue the “we’ll be landlocked” crowd. No, no we won’t. Again, we won’t be in it alone. Our situation is not unique and akin to independence efforts throughout history. Everyone will have an opinion on what do we do with (insert topic). Bottom line, we’re being treated like garbage in the “federation”, and independence is viable.

[skidderman]

It sadden's me to see that many don't get it. At least from this grain of sand's point of view.

1) Separation is a pipe dream. You say you want separation but you don't have a clue what it will look like or how it will take place. Good luck on that.

2) Conservative moving left: Wake up, they don't have a choice if they have even an inkling of getting in. Why, the media is far, far left & won't allow it.

3) The media is bought & paid for by the left with billions. The media will sell their soul and our soul's to get that money.

4) Equalization. Why can't we understand: Our tax money goes to Ottawa and who gets what is decided there. How do you think a province can just decide not to keep it when they never had it in the first place. Another, I feel like swearing pipe dream.

5) Voting for anything other than Conservative or Liberal: Well you might as well stay home then because you voted for the nothing party.

I know writing this is pointless but if the conservatives don't get voted in next round you can kiss gun ownership and hunting good bye forever and you will be welcoming in the new Socialist, (Communist) Party of Canada. They won't call it that but it will be what it is.

[Redhorse Ranch]

Separation works.


https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/case-...KT_Td08iNqeMdQ

[silver lab]

Originally Posted by skidderman

It sadden's me to see that many don't get it. At least from this grain of sand's point of view.

1) Separation is a pipe dream. You say you want separation but you don't have a clue what it will look like or how it will take place. Good luck on that.

2) Conservative moving left: Wake up, they don't have a choice if they have even an inkling of getting in. Why, the media is far, far left & won't allow it.

3) The media is bought & paid for by the left with billions. The media will sell their soul and our soul's to get that money.

4) Equalization. Why can't we understand: Our tax money goes to Ottawa and who gets what is decided there. How do you think a province can just decide not to keep it when they never had it in the first place. Another, I feel like swearing pipe dream.

5) Voting for anything other than Conservative or Liberal: Well you might as well stay home then because you voted for the nothing party.

I know writing this is pointless but if the conservatives don't get voted in next round you can kiss gun ownership and hunting good bye forever and you will be welcoming in the new Socialist, (Communist) Party of Canada. They won't call it that but it will be what it is.

I’m not a socialist sheep that follows the masses. We have a platform to vote for(we haven’t been voting for them for the same reasons you have mentioned) you have forgotten to read most of this thread, we are all sick of voting for someone we don’t like just to get nothing.
I think the biggest problem is our vote do not count!! What would you like us to do? Vote again for a PC party that we can’t stand, that is getting worse by the day?

[I’d rather be outdoors]

Originally Posted by Redhorse Ranch

Separation works.


https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/case-...KT_Td08iNqeMdQ

How dare you speak the truth. Don’t you see how deeply we need the federation? This issue just popped up overnight, it’s been given no thought at all...let’s just give it another couple generations, things will work themselves out, I promise.

[HyperMOA]

Originally Posted by skidderman

It sadden's me to see that many don't get it. At least from this grain of sand's point of view.

1) Separation is a pipe dream. You say you want separation but you don't have a clue what it will look like or how it will take place. Good luck on that.

2) Conservative moving left: Wake up, they don't have a choice if they have even an inkling of getting in. Why, the media is far, far left & won't allow it.

3) The media is bought & paid for by the left with billions. The media will sell their soul and our soul's to get that money.

4) Equalization. Why can't we understand: Our tax money goes to Ottawa and who gets what is decided there. How do you think a province can just decide not to keep it when they never had it in the first place. Another, I feel like swearing pipe dream.

5) Voting for anything other than Conservative or Liberal: Well you might as well stay home then because you voted for the nothing party.

I know writing this is pointless but if the conservatives don't get voted in next round you can kiss gun ownership and hunting good bye forever and you will be welcoming in the new Socialist, (Communist) Party of Canada. They won't call it that but it will be what it is.

1) Nobody knows what a new house looks like either. But then we sit down and draw a blueprint and build it. Just needs thought and work.

2) How far left are you willing to move to not be a “Liberal”

3) 100% agreed. Nothing more to say there.

4) Separation instantly solves the problems with equalization. It’s also the ONLY solution to equalization.

5) Will you gladly vote for socialism to stop the communists from being elected, then will you gladly vote for moderate communists to prevent the hard-core communists from being elected? Now will you vote for the above scenarios if we name the above mentioned parties as “conservative”?

Now writing and discussing is never pointless. Talking and discussing is good whether we can agree or not we learn others views.

Now the scenario you mention that our guns are gone if the conservatives aren’t voted in. Is that true if they win a minority? After said government is formed and our guns are saved; will they still be saved when the Liberals return to power?

[Twisted Canuck]

Originally Posted by Redhorse Ranch

Separation works.


https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/case-...KT_Td08iNqeMdQ

That was a good read. While I think It is overly optimistic and brushes over some of the hurdles that will have to be jumped, nevertheless I'm all for it and have been since JT and his Idiot Circus were first elected. And don't even ask how I felt when he was re-elected.

I would love to see a referendum on this next election, but it won't happen with Kenney. So, he has to go.

[RandyBoBandy]

Originally Posted by Ackleyman

Trudeau is not the problem. He is a mere fool.
The problem is the electoral that put the dickwad in office. The masses of millennial daisy sniffers and "new Canadians" getting lots of free money.
No vote even counts East of Manitoba border
BC -42 seats << 17 Conservative in 2019
AB - 34
SK - 14
Man -14

Ontario - 121
Quebec - 78

Then Liberal support from the East coast ?... It's not pretty.

Good post You meant WEST OF MANITOBA right

[skidderman]

Have read every bit of the thread. I'm as far right as one can get but I'm also a realist. Far right won't get in power it sucks but it is reality. I find it hard to fathom that my greatest fear is our own lousy government.

[barsik]

Originally Posted by skidderman

Have read every bit of the thread. I'm as far right as one can get but I'm also a realist. Far right won't get in power it sucks but it is reality. I find it hard to fathom that my greatest fear is our own lousy government.

we are at the point where staying in confederation is worse than opting for separation. as other members have pointed out, the federal government in Ottawa is an entity in itself, meaning that federal policy is crafted to keep itself in power by appealing to the voter base in Toronto. essentially, you can keep working for an employer who doesn't even hear your voice and gives you all the shyte jobs or you can strike out on your own as a self employed individual. not a hard decision to make.

[IronNoggin]

Originally Posted by skidderman

It sadden's me to see that many don't get it. At least from this grain of sand's point of view...

There are many right there with you, myself included.

What the Born Again Reformists also don't understand is that by their very action of voting for a fringe party (nothing party as you put it) they will in fact be dragging all the rest of the west down along with them. Don't know if that can be called greed so much as willful blindness to the issue.

To them, carry on. Your ambitions will cost all the rest of us dearly.
Hope y'all are happy when you help ensure Pierre's Idiot Child maintains the helm.

Nog

[Twisted Canuck]

Originally Posted by IronNoggin

There are many right there with you, myself included.

What the Born Again Reformists also don't understand is that by their very action of voting for a fringe party (nothing party as you put it) they will in fact be dragging all the rest of the west down along with them. Don't know if that can be called greed so much as willful blindness to the issue.

To them, carry on. Your ambitions will cost all the rest of us dearly.
Hope y'all are happy when you help ensure Pierre's Idiot Child maintains the helm.

Nog

What a bunch of noise. You need to call my mom, she could teach you how to really lay a guilt trip on thick, that is just weak sauce.

As has been said, and demonstrated many times, we don't elect the government in Canada, we just have to live with whatever they decide in ON, QC, and the maritimes. You want to vote conservayive again, fly at it. But stop being all preachy and telling people they should vote for something they don't believe in. At the end of the day, it won't make a damn bit of difference anyway, so why get your feathers ruffled?

[IronNoggin]

Originally Posted by Twisted Canuck

... so why get your feathers ruffled?

Go back and read your overly dramatic response, and get back to me on whose "feathers are ruffled" please and thanks...

I actually do care about the West, and that in my mind has always (and always will )include Alberta. The fact that you and others want to engage in a train wreck is disturbing. The additional fact that you could not care less who else your self centered wanderings into dreamland will also effect is even more so.

Like I said, carry on. Do what you feel you must. Please try to avoid being overly hypocritical in your attacks on the next True Dummy government that you help elect.

Cheers,
Nog

[Twisted Canuck]

Such nonsense. But good luck with electing a CPC government. What are you going to do, when the prairies, again, elect a full slate of MPs that are CPC, and Trudeau still forms a government? Like the last two elections? You still haven't answered that one. You think this guy is going to lead you to the promised land?

https://nationalpost.com/news/politi...ut-to-the-test

[skidderman]

AO threads like this are like watching the vultures circle a dead animal. We don't need the rest of the world to do us in as we do it to ourselves. As IronNoggin says, knock yourself out. If it makes you feel better bashing myself and others have at er.

[HyperMOA]

Originally Posted by skidderman

AO threads like this are like watching the vultures circle a dead animal. We don't need the rest of the world to do us in as we do it to ourselves. As IronNoggin says, knock yourself out. If it makes you feel better bashing myself and others have at er.

I don’t believe I bashed you at all in my response. I’m rather certain I have been nothing but respectful actually. Now I may have asked you questions that make you uncomfortable , but never did I bash you. I did notice that you never answered any of my questions.

I respect your opinion. I used to have the same opinion 20 years ago. I am no longer comfortable voting for parties left of Jean Chrétien to avoid a Trudeau. In 20 years will you expect me to vote for a candidate left of Justin to keep the Stalin Jr out of power? Will I do this in the name of “conservatism”? Honest questions.

If you can’t recognize the trajectory of our country then you definitely won’t want to eject. I see where this plane is going. The ejection seat is my only hope. We are in a flat spin and both engines are snuffed out. It’s time to bail.

[HyperMOA]

Originally Posted by IronNoggin

There are many right there with you, myself included.

What the Born Again Reformists also don't understand is that by their very action of voting for a fringe party (nothing party as you put it) they will in fact be dragging all the rest of the west down along with them. Don't know if that can be called greed so much as willful blindness to the issue.

To them, carry on. Your ambitions will cost all the rest of us dearly.
Hope y'all are happy when you help ensure Pierre's Idiot Child maintains the helm.

Nog

How am I a born again reformist? I’m a separatist!!! You come on here and hurl insults and never engage in actual debate. Answer some of the questions put before you. Does the concept of thought scare you?

That last decent government we have had in the last 30 years was lead by reformists just FYI. It doesn’t hurt my feelings.

How do you justify following the CPC as a Conservative party? Can you name one conservative policy they have?

Why do you feel I should vote for the sliding scale? Is it possible that you are a political minority. (us born again reformists too) Maybe Canadians don’t want you to own guns, or hunt, or fish, or camp.... This is what Canadians want of you. Why don’t you respect your fellow Canadians wishes?

I have come to the conclusion that I am no longer a Canadian. I believe it’s possible that there are enough western Canadians (not necessarily albertans) that agree with me that a new nation could be created protecting our beliefs as rights. I consider this a broad future plan. What does your plan delve into? Try and defeat trudeau. That’s the extent of your thinking. What is your plan when he is elected into majority?

Federation failed long ago. It’s time somebody tried to do best for us westerners. We have been used long enough.