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Originally Posted by Twisted Canuck
I wasn't thinking far enough ahead for an outcome, I was ranting. By definition, a rant doesn't imply much forethought.....
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08-01-2017, 01:20 PM
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never mind mis read the 12' i though it was fts
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08-01-2017, 02:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Albertadiver View Post
In all seriousness, I would look at a castor and dolly setup under each tire and your hitch base. Castorland here in Calgary has some serious stuff.
I like this roller kit
https://www.casterland.com/collectio...s/hlkrs-40-sld
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I have used them before, and they work great for equipment but there is no way to attach them to the wheels on the boat. Plus the axle is too high for blocking.
I will be using them for moving the 28,000lb break though very likely
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Originally Posted by Ken07AOVette
I have used them before, and they work great for equipment but there is no way to attach them to the wheels on the boat. Plus the axle is too high for blocking.
I will be using them for moving the 28,000lb break though very likely.
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Couldn't you get some 10" channel iron to go under the wheels and then put the rollers under that. another castor set up under the front and you're good to go?
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08-01-2017, 03:27 PM
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Maybe just fit it in through a window, Ken?
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08-01-2017, 03:29 PM
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Dang Ken, I wish that I could help you. Actually, no....I wish that I had your problem . I can man handle my 15' tri-hull with a puny 55 HP Johnson by myself.
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08-01-2017, 07:55 PM
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Originally Posted by trailraat
Originally Posted by Albertadiver View Post
In all seriousness, I would look at a castor and dolly setup under each tire and your hitch base. Castorland here in Calgary has some serious stuff.
I like this roller kit
https://www.casterland.com/collectio...s/hlkrs-40-sld
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I have used them before, and they work great for equipment but there is no way to attach them to the wheels on the boat. Plus the axle is too high for blocking.
I will be using them for moving the 28,000lb break though very likely
Couldn't you get some 10" channel iron to go under the wheels and then put the rollers under that. another castor set up under the front and you're good to go?
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That is exactly what I had planned, channel iron and skates but was hoping some of you smarter guys would have a better idea.
Even just having 60' of C channel and 6 skates laying around is a pita. I could drop the wheels off one axle, and go with 4 skates which would increase the load on skates but decrease friction.. maybe?
I got this when I clicked your link
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Originally Posted by Twisted Canuck
I wasn't thinking far enough ahead for an outcome, I was ranting. By definition, a rant doesn't imply much forethought.....
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08-01-2017, 09:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Ken07AOVette
That is exactly what I had planned, channel iron and skates but was hoping some of you smarter guys would have a better idea.
Even just having 60' of C channel and 6 skates laying around is a pita. I could drop the wheels off one axle, and go with 4 skates which would increase the load on skates but decrease friction.. maybe?
I got this when I clicked your link
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Hey Ken,
I think a simple roller skate on a walking beam will get the job done for you.
I may have the stuff you are looking for in the shop. It's not normally used for small stuff like that, but it would easily move and carry your load. We are typically moving bridges, wall forms, entire floors on a building ... etc...
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08-01-2017, 10:30 PM
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Originally Posted by gitrdun
Dang Ken, I wish that I could help you. Actually, no....I wish that I had your problem . I can man handle my 15' tri-hull with a puny 55 HP Johnson by myself.
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This is a respectable place, you can't go on about manhandling your puny Johnson!
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08-02-2017, 05:46 AM
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Make a steel plate for the wheels or axles to sit on and rent some Machine skates. Usually a set of 4 would cost less than $100.00 per day. Some are capable of handling up to 60 tons. Can get smaller ones like 8 tons. I have moved large boring mills and engine lathes that have weighed up to 10 tons. 2 people could push it around with no problem on a clean concrete floor. They are steerable also.
Should be able to make a couple plates for the wheels to sit on for a few hundred $ then the skates sit under them.
http://www.selectequipmentrentals.co...3&key=130-4050
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08-02-2017, 10:31 AM
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Originally Posted by Albertadiver
In all seriousness, I would look at a castor and dolly setup under each tire and your hitch base. Castorland here in Calgary has some serious stuff.
I like this roller kit
https://www.casterland.com/collectio...s/hlkrs-40-sld
Cheaper than a truss and OH door renovation.
I recently designed a prisoner docket in a courtroom on castors. Worked like a dream. It had some big time weight as all the glass is bullet resistant.
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We move some very heavy equipment with skates similar to these, and cable turfers
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08-02-2017, 01:47 PM
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Nobody has skates in Lloydminster.
I need them twice per year, in and out so renting is a waste.
I'm hoping for a permanent solution.
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Originally Posted by Twisted Canuck
I wasn't thinking far enough ahead for an outcome, I was ranting. By definition, a rant doesn't imply much forethought.....
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08-02-2017, 04:24 PM
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mechanical skates and a couple of pieces of channel.
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08-03-2017, 01:54 PM
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Too bad you didn't know 6 guys with pallet jacks. Or 4 guys with 3 ton garage jacks.
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08-03-2017, 01:56 PM
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Too bad you didn't know 6 guys with pallet jacks. Or 4 guys with 3 ton garage jacks.
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I wish I knew a guy with a giant crane, lift the roof off and add 4' lol
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Originally Posted by Twisted Canuck
I wasn't thinking far enough ahead for an outcome, I was ranting. By definition, a rant doesn't imply much forethought.....
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Push it with a skidsteer
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Is the floor smooth concrete? if so, pour a jug of liquid dish soap on the floor and tires and give it a shove...
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08-03-2017, 08:57 PM
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i was just thinking about this for the last few days....imagine four stout pipe stands that welder would use to lean on while counting money.
put two up front and two on the rear section of the trailer, basically the balance points in front and behind the wheels.
put a 'rail' section port to starboard on top of pipestands ( for idea purposes think like rail from a railway)
put heavy flat rollor castors (like the kind that is used on a box moving conveyer) that solidly affixed to the frame between the frame and railway.
use the threaded pipestands to take weight of the boat until the wheels are off the ground or even let the air out of the tires if you couldnt get enough vertical lift.
try lifting the one side so it will glide downhill to location.
this system would be helpful for taking weight of the springs on the trailer while at rest in off season...
imagine the finished movement to be similar in much the same bosts are launched sideways into the ocean
does this make sense??
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Hee, Hee, Hee, First world problems.
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08-04-2017, 02:59 PM
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Hee, Hee, Hee, First world problems.
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haha yep!
I just can not leave the boat outside, it is too nice and our winters are far too hard on equipment. If I knew what I know now and could go back in time I would have 16ft ceiling with attic trusses. I did the best I could by myself with the allotted budget at the time.
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Originally Posted by Twisted Canuck
I wasn't thinking far enough ahead for an outcome, I was ranting. By definition, a rant doesn't imply much forethought.....
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08-04-2017, 03:26 PM
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Wonder if you could do something like this:
I'm just in the process of talking with SwissTrax to see what they were using for this design.
Is your floor smooth enough to make a Hudson Hauler work? Five of them (each wheel and tongue) would add up to 12Klb capacity.
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I keep thinking the bigger the wheels the better it will work...
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Originally Posted by Twisted Canuck
I wasn't thinking far enough ahead for an outcome, I was ranting. By definition, a rant doesn't imply much forethought.....
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08-04-2017, 04:15 PM
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True...
Along the skate idea, these would probably work... Not cheap, though...
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08-04-2017, 04:19 PM
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True...
Along the skate idea, these would probably work... Not cheap, though...
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yikes
$500 usd each x 6
Snd won't ship to Canada.
Those tiny castors seem problematic.
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Originally Posted by Twisted Canuck
I wasn't thinking far enough ahead for an outcome, I was ranting. By definition, a rant doesn't imply much forethought.....
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How many floor jacks do you have?
We used to throw one under the diff of the trucks and move em sideways when the shop was crowded (back end of a truck is lighter though)
Alternatively, go to castor land , fire up the welder, and build dollies that will work for you
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I am trying to figure out how to either make a set of dollies to put under the triple axle, or bolt on a set of axles under each side to move it about 12'.
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Any ideas?
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'K. It's getting painful reading some of these responses. 12K lbs is pretty tame compared to some of the Mammoet/Sterling jobs I've seen on turnarounds.
If you're moving 12 feet sideways, on level ground but unknown surfaces, repeatedly year-in & year-out, you'll want a cheap, strong, stable, permanent custom dolly made using conventional tires. You can use that anytime, conveniently, for free without renting or rebuilding or skidding anything.
I'd get a couple of w-spec beams ("I-beams") welded parallel with purlin cross-pieces a distance apart that is a substantial portion of the width of your triple axles, then with a triangle brace between the beams, in the plane of the beams. I'd get a pair of old 7000-lb axles/tires and bolt them underneath of that frame with u-bolts. That's your dolly. The w-beams cross and support the triple axles front-to-back, and the 7000-pounders cross and support the lower purlins front-to-back. The 7K axle pair have to be attached far enough apart that the boat won't list side-to-side, and of course have the same tire pressure.
I'd get 4 proper jack-brackets welded to the trailer frame, and connect a jack to each of them to lift the frame straight up synchronously for the triple axles to clear the dolly tires if you're sliding in back-to-front, or the triple-axle tires to clear the dolly if rolling it from the side. When the dolly is centered underneath the triple axles, drop the trailer frame back down, secure the trailer axles to the dolly beams with u-bolts and bob's your uncle.
If the old tires are gripping too much sideways when sliding the dolly underneath back-to-front, get some old kid's skateboards just for that & temporarily attach with bungee cords.
I might even get 4 short hydraulic rams to bolt onto the jack-brackets, powered by a small simple electric-powered hydraulic pump & control setup.
Attach a manual crank-winch on the port- or starboard side garage wall, with an eye and snatch-block on the opposite side. Add attachment eyes on both port & starboard sides of the dolly.
Proceed to move the boat back and forth all day long for your entertainment...
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Alternatively, you could just build a boat shelter next to the shop if you have room. Small gravel floored pole building.
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Alternatively, you could just build a boat shelter next to the shop if you have room. Small gravel floored pole building.
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thought of that but want it in the heat. Winter is project time. Plus I do not want to have to pay more taxes, they are absolutely insane here.
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Originally Posted by Twisted Canuck
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