I hate barbed hooks

[horsetrader]

Originally Posted by pickrel pat

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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[Lefty-Canuck]

Originally Posted by pelada trochu

maybe fish licenses should be up to the individual too. or how about motors on motorless lakes. or tossing your trash out the window. rules are in place for a reason. if they are wrong band together and have them tossed out.

I call BS...

LC

[BeeGuy]

Originally Posted by ivegonefishing

It appears that there is some evidence for anecdotal observations being the basis for a lot of the arguments that are contrary to the idea of using barbless hooks and are really of little value when it comes to scientific conclusions (in other words if Uncle Clem says barbed hooks are better in his opinion, this is a conclusion reached without scientific research; and is of little or no value). After reading some of these, and many other articles on barbless vs barbed hooks there appears to be evidence supporting the barbless hook approach as better for the survival of released fish. There are however MANY OTHER huge factors that will affect the survivability of the fish. Sticking to the barbed vs. barbless debate only; the ease of removal, minimized tissue damage, faster removal of the hook and subsequent decreased release times seem to be a few of the big factors that can contribute to a successful fish release.

Personally I like the idea of barbless hooks because of the benefits it affords the fish. It has also made me a better fisherman in terms of technique when I am trying to pull in a good 'Scrapper'. When I was living in Kelowna I had a lot of fruit trees and refused to spray them out of concern for my family's health and the affect of chemicals on the environment. So I did get some apples, peaches, cherries, etc that were damaged by bugs and fungus but I just picked them off and disposed of them, I felt it was a fair trade. I also think that I don't have to pull in every fish I hook and keep everyone of them. So the thrill of the fight and trying to outsmart my quarry is the challenge and the loss of the odd fish is a fair trade IMHOP.

I realize that my sentiments are not necessarily shared by all but just wanted to post some scientific articles on this thread.

I have included some links below if you are interested in reading some of the scientific evidence.

http://www.news-press.com/assets/pdf/A483941829.PDF

http://www.soma56.com/pdf/SOMA%20Res...lease_info.pdf

http://www.dnr.state.wi.us/org/es/sc...outHooking.pdf


http://www.landfood.ubc.ca/animalwel.../pdfs/fish.pdf

Thanks for reading

Read your articles.

3 of the 4 are essentially review articles (1 being a meta-analysis) which do not provide any real science (experiment and replication), and the 4th (non-peer reviewed) found no statistical differences between hook types.

The meta-analysis found that circle hooks are more difficult to remove, and are less efficient than j-hooks, but likely cause less damage.

[bobalong]

Originally Posted by ivegonefishing

It appears that there is some evidence for anecdotal observations being the basis for a lot of the arguments that are contrary to the idea of using barbless hooks and are really of little value when it comes to scientific conclusions (in other words if Uncle Clem says barbed hooks are better in his opinion, this is a conclusion reached without scientific research; and is of little or no value). After reading some of these, and many other articles on barbless vs barbed hooks there appears to be evidence supporting the barbless hook approach as better for the survival of released fish. There are however MANY OTHER huge factors that will affect the survivability of the fish. Sticking to the barbed vs. barbless debate only; the ease of removal, minimized tissue damage, faster removal of the hook and subsequent decreased release times seem to be a few of the big factors that can contribute to a successful fish release.

Personally I like the idea of barbless hooks because of the benefits it affords the fish. It has also made me a better fisherman in terms of technique when I am trying to pull in a good 'Scrapper'. When I was living in Kelowna I had a lot of fruit trees and refused to spray them out of concern for my family's health and the affect of chemicals on the environment. So I did get some apples, peaches, cherries, etc that were damaged by bugs and fungus but I just picked them off and disposed of them, I felt it was a fair trade. I also think that I don't have to pull in every fish I hook and keep everyone of them. So the thrill of the fight and trying to outsmart my quarry is the challenge and the loss of the odd fish is a fair trade IMHOP.

I realize that my sentiments are not necessarily shared by all but just wanted to post some scientific articles on this thread.

I have included some links below if you are interested in reading some of the scientific evidence.

http://www.news-press.com/assets/pdf/A483941829.PDF

http://www.soma56.com/pdf/SOMA%20Res...lease_info.pdf

http://www.dnr.state.wi.us/org/es/sc...outHooking.pdf


http://www.landfood.ubc.ca/animalwel.../pdfs/fish.pdf

Thanks for reading

As you stated common sense and experience are all you need to know that barbless hooks reduce stress, which decreases mortality. Barbless hooks are a very simple law but some people have just do not have any common sense, which results in even simple being far beyond comprehension.

[Kim473]

The only reason I don't like barbless hooks, is the fish keep stealing my bait. Those maggots and mealworms get rather expensive. I still land just as many fish, just takes an hr or two longer.

[pickrel pat]

Originally Posted by Kim473

The only reason I don't like barbless hooks, is the fish keep stealing my bait. Those maggots and mealworms get rather expensive. I still land just as many fish, just takes an hr or two longer.

cut little squares from a rubberband. after putting on your bait, put a little peice of rubberband behind it......... problem now solved!!! keeps it on better than just a barb.......

[huntsfurfish]

Originally Posted by bobalong

As you stated common sense and experience are all you need to know that barbless hooks reduce stress, which decreases mortality. Barbless hooks are a very simple law but some people have just do not have any common sense, which results in even simple being far beyond comprehension.

Actually it is all about fish handling as a whole. Ignoring the science is not what I would call common sense. And while you might think it is simple it really is not.

what... where... when... barb how...

[greylynx]

I will bet you this is how the decision for barbless hooks was made in Alberta.

Upper level fisheries biologist: " There is no evidence that barbless hooks will significantly create damage to our fisheries." ( Which BTW are already collapsed)

ADM: "Since all those eco retards are screaming for barbless lets go with it and get the pressure off our backs. I will get a fat raise and promotion for not stirring anythiing up."

Thats the real world boys and girls.

[pickrel pat]

Originally Posted by greylynx

I will bet you this is how the decision for barbless hooks was made in Alberta.

Upper level fisheries biologist: " There is no evidence that barbless hooks will significantly create damage to our fisheries." ( Which BTW are already collapsed)

ADM: "Since all those eco retards are screaming for barbless lets go with it and get the pressure off our backs. I will get a fat raise and promotion for not stirring anythiing up."

Thats the real world boys and girls.

Im glad the "eco retards" got something right........

[norma mag]

Originally Posted by conan

I was out ice fishing with a new fishing buddy going after walleye and things were slow so I decided to hop on my quad and try out some different areas. When I returned he had rigged up a tip up of mine and a pike grabbed it shortly after, when I pulled the pike up I noticed that the treble was barbed. I had a bugger of a time getting those stupid barbs out. barbless are so so much better. Yes I gave him a slap on the noodle and no I did not report him.

I hate barbs as well. It's always nice to loose a 10lb rainbow near the boat

[greylynx]

Originally Posted by pickrel pat

Im glad the "eco retards" got something right........

And I bet you "feel" real good. And that is good too. Because that is what fishing is all about.

Even though Alberta has a collapsed fishery, I see the objective of the fisheries department has not changed over 30 years.

Lets make those voters feel real good, and to hexx with the fish.

If they want barbless, give them barbless, If they want Bass give them Bass.

This is not a province where fisheries management is taken seriously.

Like Duh, how come fishing is not as good the 50's 60's and 70's?

I will let you AO fisheries management people answer that one.

Because people were not using barbless hooks?

Don't be Suzuki sucker.

[BeeGuy]

Originally Posted by greylynx

And I bet you "feel" real good. And that is good too. Because that is what fishing is all about.

Even though Alberta has a collapsed fishery, I see the objective of the fisheries department has not changed over 30 years.

Lets make those voters feel real good, and to hexx with the fish.

If they want barbless, give them barbless, If they want Bass give them Bass.

This is not a province where fisheries management is taken seriously.

Like Duh, how come fishing is not as good the 50's 60's and 70's?

I will let you AO fisheries management people answer that one.

Because people were not using barbless hooks?

Don't be Suzuki sucker.

It's because there are many, many more people fishing now. Quite simple really. The technical term is 'fishing pressure' and it has gone up.

Can you enter a discussion without name calling?

[huntsfurfish]

Originally Posted by greylynx

I will bet you this is how the decision for barbless hooks was made in Alberta.

Upper level fisheries biologist: " There is no evidence that barbless hooks will significantly create damage to our fisheries."
ADM: "Since a few people are screaming for barbless lets go with it and get the pressure off our backs. I will get a fat raise and promotion for not stirring anythiing up."

Thats the real world boys and girls.

There fixed it.LOL


That about says it all