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Old 12-10-2017, 10:49 AM
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If you can’t understand the point by now, I’m wasting my time.
In other words, you can cast aspersions, but you won't back them up. Come on, how does that advance real discussion?

Walleyedude made a legitimate point that he had posted the 4 points the AOHVA had made, and that no one responded to it. I did, and I hope he comes back and answers my points.

One does not have to agree, but at least be honorable enough to not answer in the manner you have above. It does nothing at all to help.
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Old 12-10-2017, 11:19 AM
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The complete guide to all ATV trails across the province including which clubs maintain them and where you need to go to get a permit.

By Mike Jacobs
Mike is an avid motorsports enthusiast.
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SEPTEMBER 19, 2013
UPDATED ON: JUNE 21, 2017
With thousands of kilometres of trails, and more being added each year, it's no wonder Ontario is renowned as an ATV playground. Whether you're riding a Utility, Sport or Side by Side ATV, looking for a scenic getaway for the family or a challenging new spot to test your skills, Ontario has a trail for you.

RELATED:
The Complete 2017 List of ATV Events in Ontario
Each trail and municipality have their own rules and regulations, so always follow the Golden Rule: "Know Before You Go." Check with the local club to see what permits you need and make sure you're familiar with the local by-laws regarding ATV's on roads and crown land. Don't trespass, stay on the trails, ride safe, and have fun!


For the first part of this list, we will focus on the premier ranked ATV Trail destinations.

Voyageur Multi-Use Trail System
VMUTS
Distance: 300 km
Rating: Novice to Advanced
Pass/Permit: ATVO PowerPass or VMUTS
Northeastern Ontario's Mattawa and the surrounding townships have passed ATV-friendly by-laws allowing riders passage on local roads from their accommodations to the trailhead. The trail system is nestled between two small mountain ranges, the Algonquin Highlands and the Laurentian Mountains, and is bordered by the Mattawa and Ottawa Rivers. Offering a range of difficulty levels from easy meandering trails through majestic pines and cool valleys with clear lakes and rivers to challenging rock climbs and wet muddy areas.

Recommended Accommodations: Mattawa Adventure Camp, Mattawa


Park-to-Park Trail
Almaguin-Seguin P2P resized
Distance: 230 km
Pass/Permit: ATVO PowerPass or Park to Park Trail Pass
The main system in the Explorers' Edge Parry Sound-Georgian Bay area is the Park-to-Park multi-use trail system. This exciting route from Killbear to Algonquin Park is set within a natural paradise of lakes, forests, beaches, and the 2.5 billion-year-old granite of the Canadian Shield. Click here to read about upgrades made to the trails. The following is a list of trails within the Park to Park system:

SEGUIN TRAIL

Distance: 80 km
Rating: Moderate
Pass/Permit: ATVO PowerPass or Park to Park Trail Pass
The best known section of the Park to Park trail network. Following the historic route of the Ottawa, Arnprior & Parry Sound Railway (later part of the Canada Atlantic Railway) built by J.R. Booth, this section of trail stretches from just west of Highway 400 to the Wall’s Junction where the trail splits. This section of trail is one of the more adventurous segment, with a rough, dirt surfacing and the occasional puddle.

Best spot for parking is at the Georgian Bay Travel Centre, there is a large, paved parking lot with lots of room for trailers and an off-road ramp that connects the PetroCan to the trail. In Sprucedale, food and gas are accessible on the trail. Click here for more information including detailed trail maps.



OLD BETHUNE TRAIL

Pass/Permit: ATVO PowerPass, Park to Park Trail Pass or Algonquin West ATV Club
This section is the continuation of the Seguin Trail past the Walls Split. Passing under Highway 11 and traveling through the town of Kearney to the Algonquin Park boundary this section has a diversity of trail types, from retired rail bed, road and dirt track. The Old Bethune Trail is shared with our partner the Algonquin West ATV Club. This section of trail is currently is managed by the Ontario Ministry of Natural Resources.



SETTLER'S TRAIL

Pass/Permit: ATVO PowerPass or Park to Park Trail Pass
Heading south, first on dirt road then on off-road trail, Settler’s Trail provides incredible views of Highway 11 and access to Huntsville. For motorized users, this is the end of the route, as currently ATVs are not permitted on the roads in Muskoka.



MUSKIIG TRAIL

Distance: 15 km
Pass/Permit: ATVO PowerPass or Park to Park Trail Pass
Rolling single-track style trail following the original Shawnaga Colonization Road between Carling Station and the Dillon Road. Maintained by Carling Township. Trailheads include small parking lots that can accommodate vehicles with trailers.



GUNCOTTON TRAIL

Distance: 5 km
Rating: Novice
Pass/Permit: ATVO PowerPass or Park to Park Trail Pass
From the trailheads at Nobel School just south of Avro Aero Blvd or from the McDougall Township office head west on a gravel motorized (ATV and snowmobile) trail to the west. This section of trail is owned and maintained by the Township of McDougall.



ROSE POINT TRAIL

Distance: 8 km
Pass/Permit: ATVO PowerPass or Park to Park Trail Pass
This trail follows the final segment of J.R. Booth’s railroad. This historic route connects Rose Point, where a bridge passes over to Wasauksing First Nation and Depot Harbour, the terminus for the railroad, to Forest Hill, adjacent to Oastler Provincial Park. This trail, which saw a major overhaul in 2010/2011 is a great location to spot turtles in the many wetlands that line the trail. This section of trail is owned by Seguin Township and managed by the Park to Park Trail Association. Cargill Road has a large parking area that will fit 20+ vehicles including trailers. Access the Cargill road parking area to the west of Oastler Park Drive across from Kropf Industrial on Cargill Road.

Recommended Accommodations: Bayside Inn, Parry Sound


Haliburton ATV Association Trails
Corrie Lee- Haliburton Forest trail
Rating: Novice to Advanced
Pass/Permit: HATVA, KATV or ATV Ontario Powerpass
HATVA Trails are located throughout the beautiful and historic Haliburton County. The Haliburton Highlands are renowned for scenic and majestic landscapes with numerous waterways throughout. The HATVA trails connect with neighboring trail systems in Kawartha, Muskoka, Peterborough and Madawaska. It includes a portion of the Victoria Rail Trail that runs from Kinmount north to Haliburton. Trail difficulty varies from rail trail to forest access roads to extreme deep woods paths that require winches as standard equipment. It is highly recommended that you tour with a club member that knows the trails or hire a local guide.



HALIBURTON HIGHLAND TRAIL SYSTEM

Distance: over 500 km
Rating: Intermediate to Advanced
Multiple staging areas and access points
An intricate system that runs throughout the Haliburton Highlands with trails ranging from intermediate to expert. Haliburton’s core trails run from Minden north to Algonquin Park. This trail system includes linking trails to the Madawaska Trail System, Muskoka Trail System, Five Points Trail System & Kawartha Trail System. Includes trails to Sherbourne Lake, Big Hawk Lake, Paul Lake, Tingey Lake, Shoe Lake, Livingstone Lake and Luck Lake. This is a vast array of trails and requires GPS navigation to explore without a guide.



FIVE POINTS TRAIL SYSTEM

Distance: over 150 km
Rating: Intermediate to Expert
Multiple staging and access points.


The Five Points System is north and east of Bobcaygeon. This trail system was developed and created by the local snowmobile clubs, Twin Mountains Snowmobile Club and Buckhorn District Snowmobile Club. The Haliburton ATV Association, Kawartha ATV Association and Ontario 4WD are working hard with these organizations to help maintain a healthy trail system, consisting of private landowners and crown-land areas. Attempting these areas without proper mapping knowledge and orientation experience can be dangerous. Please refer to HATVA maps and use detailed GPS tracking for these trails.



QUEEN ELIZABETH II WILDLANDS PROVINCIAL PARK

Distance: over 100km, multiple trails
Rating: Intermediate to Expert
Mulitiple staging and access points
This park is an official Ontario Provincial Park, with extra rules, regulations, ecological and environmental issues to consider and adhere to. Do not wander off existing trails, remove or destroy any existing vegetation or trees. Water courses are off-limits, as these are areas for which ATVs are restricted and/or not allowed, such as private roads and private property around many of the lakes. Please pay close attention to signage.



VICTORIA RAIL TRAIL

Distance: 40 km
Rating: Novice
Pass/Permit: HATVA, or Kawartha ATV
Multiple staging and access points.

The Victoria Rail Trail begins in Bethany and runs through the communities of Lindsay, Cameron, Fenelon Falls, Burnt River and Kinmount. The Haliburton Corridor of the Rail Trail links the communities of Kinmount and Haliburton. This is maintained by the Haliburton ATV Club. South of Kinmount is maintained by the Kawartha ATV Club.

Click here for a full list of the HATVA trails

Recommended Accommodations: Kashaga Lodge, Haliburton, Edgewater Park Lodge, Kearney



Kawartha ATV Association



The KATVA trail system is centrally located in the heart of Ontario ATV country. Approximately 1.5 hours from Toronto, the KATVA trails system has become a popular ATV hot spot. KATVA’s 900+ members and many day riders enjoy a multitude of dense forest tracts, natural vistas, historic stops, wildlife viewing and majestic outlooks. Our membership respects the environment and the recreational pursuits of other trail users. This trail system includes links to neighbouring trail systems in Haliburton, Madawaska, Muskoka, Northumberland and Peterborough.

Trail permits: KATVA or HATVA– yearly membership or day/weekend passes.

Recommended Accommodations: Log Chateau Park, Fenelon Falls



VICTORIA RAIL TRAIL CORRIDOR

Distance: 85 km
Rating: Novice
Multiple staging and access points
The Victoria Rail Trail Corridor (VRTC) is an 85 km rail trail, linking the communities of Bethany, Lindsay, Cameron, Fenelon Falls, Burnt River and Kinmount. The VRTC is owned and administered by the City of Kawartha Lakes and is maintained by the Kawartha ATV Club. The Rail Trail extends north to Haliburton but that section is maintained by the Haliburton ATV Club.



SOMERVILLE FOREST TRACK

Distance: 33 km
Rating: Novice to Expert
Staging Area and Parking
As a City Kawartha Lakes Municipal multi-use trail, the Somerville Forest Tract, also referred to as The Pinery, comprises 3,420 hectares of mixed forest property. There are three trail loops known as The Pinery, the Marsh Trail and the Millennium Trail, covering a variety of terrain including pine plantations, wetlands, hardwoods and rock outcrops. This is a delicate area, which requires the utmost respect by users. The Pinery 8km (beginner); Millennium Trails 22km (Intermediate); Marsh 3km (expert).



FIVE POINTS SYSTEM

Distance: over 150 km
Rating: Intermediate to Expert Trails
Multiple staging and access points
The Five Points System is north and east of Bobcaygeon. This trail system was developed and created by the local snowmobile clubs, Twin Mountains Snowmobile Club and Buckhorn District Snowmobile Club. The Kawartha ATV Association, the Haliburton ATV Association and Ontario Federation 4WD is working hard with these organizations to help maintain a healthy trail system, consisting of private landowners and crown land areas. Attempting without proper mapping knowledge and orientation experience can be dangerous. Please refer to KATVA maps for detailed GPS tracking of trails.



QUEEN ELIZABETH II WILDLANDS PROVINCIAL PARK

Distance: over 100 km, multiple trails
Rating: Intermediate to Expert trails
Multiple staging and access points
This park is an official Ontario Provincial Park, with extra rules, regulations, ecological and environmental issues to consider and adhere to. Do not wander off existing trails, or remove or destroy any existing vegetation or trees. Stay out of all water courses. There are areas to which ATVs are restricted and/or not allowed such as private roads and private property around many of the lakes. Please pay very close attention to signage.

Eastern Ontario Trails Alliance Trails
Renfrew County ATV Club

HASTINGS HERITAGE TRAIL

Distance: 156 km
Rating: Novice
Pass/Permit: EOTA / OFATV
The Hastings Heritage Trail is a four-seasons, multi-use recreational trail that follows an old railway line linking Hastings County. The trail is open year-round and boasts a number of parking lots and access points along the route. Trails in Hastings County consist of a 156-km ribbon of land stretching from Glen Ross to Lake St. Peter, connecting them to the waterways of the Trent Canal System in the south and the edge of Algonquin Park in the north. With points-of-interest like waterfalls, ghost towns and the historic Hogan's Hotel, this is a great trail for a leisurely ride or family outing.



RENFREW COUNTRY ATV CLUB TRAILS

Distance: 700+ km
Rating: Novice to Advanced
Pass/Permit: EOTA / OFATV
The trails are built on a foundation of abandoned rail lines and forest access roads meandering through forests, lake view vistas and remarkable Ontario landscapes. This adventurous route winds its way across the countryside passing through numerous rural communites that provide riders with convenient access to a wide variety of supplies, services and accommodations.

Recommended Accommodations: Bancroft Inn & Suites, Bancroft, Limerick Lake Lodge, Gilmour



COCHRANE ATV TRAILS

Bear Tracks ATV Tours
Rating: Novice to Moderate
Pass/Permit: ATVOntario Powerpass
Northeastern Ontario's Bear Tracks ATV Tours, provide guided ATV tours to some remote and scenic locations throughout the Cochrane, Ontario area. Mostly located on crown land, you can ride all day and never be on the same trail twice. Or you can ride the streets of Cochrane and take a visit the Polar Bear Habitat & Heritage Village. To book a tour contact them at 705-272-5098 or at info@beartrackatv.com.



Recommended Accommodations: Best Western Swan Castle Inn, Cochrane


Elliot Lake ATV Trails


ATV ELLIOT LAKE

Distance: 300+ km
Rating: Novice to Advanced
Pass/Permit: ATVOntario Powerpass
Algoma Country's Elliot Lake area includes the largest insured ATV trail network in Ontario. Carved through the extraordinary landscape of this unspoiled part of Northern Ontario are a series of trails that will take you past racing rivers, ancient rock escarpments and transition forests offering more than just the thrill of the ride, but an unfolding journey through the history of a wild and majestic terrain. Perfect for seasoned or novice riders looking for day trips, overnight stays or extended three to five day excursions. The well planned out trails are looped so you're never more than 20 minutes away from the amenities of the city. For more information contact the Elliot Lake ATV Club or call the Elliot Lake Welcome Centre at 800-661-6192.



THE BOARDWALK RUN

Distance: 41 km
Rating: Easy/Moderate with short section of avoidable Moderate/Advanced
Pass/Permit: ATVO PowerPass
The club's first trail includes a variety of terrain with scenic views across Home Lake and Scenic Lake. Wrapping around the city, it is the main loop that connects with the Boreal Forest Run and the Portage Run. Most of it is easy to moderate with short and avoidable portions that require riders with more experience.



BOREAL FOREST RUN

Distance: 47km
Rating: Easy to Moderate
Pass/Permit: ATVO PowerPass
Expansive views of this open powerline trail make this a favourite for ATVers and Snowmobilers. Leads to old growth forest full of wildflowers in the summer and vivid yellows from birch trees in the fall. Connects to the Portage Run or the Boardwalk Run or back to the city.



MAY LAKE LOOP

Distance: 60 km
Rating: Moderate
Pass/Permit: ATVO PowerPass
The first and possibly only trail in Ontario built by an ATV club for shared use with snowmobiles is a really scenic one with a backdrop of rock cliffs, bridges over remote lakes and great views of the city. The route travels Stanrock Road for an extent, providing a glimpse of Elliot Lake's modern lakefront development project. The trail can also be extended to Whiskey Lake for a real distant adventure.



PORTAGE RUN

Distance: 49 km
Rating: Advanced
Pass/Permit: ATVO PowerPass
This looped trail is renowned for a challenging ATV ride through rough, muddy and rocky sections of trail and is recommended for advanced riders with four wheel drive ATVs. Sections of trail are open depending on season, water and weather conditions.

This route is an extension of the Boreal Forest Run or the Boardwalk Run. The destination is a fantastic view of Lake Matinenda. The ride passes through tight, muddy trails and along some great sections above Quimby Lake.



HORNE LAKE TRAIL

Distance: 6 km
Rating: Novice
Pass/Permit: EOTA / OFATV
Just barely outside of the City of Elliot Lake, this multi-use trail offers some spectacular views.

Recommended Accommodations: Wilderness Lodge, Elliot Lake





Below we have listed other known trails for each region of the province. Please note: The trails listed here are not yet approved Ontario ATV trails. Use at your own risk. Be sure to check with local authorities before you head out. If you have a trail that you'd like to add to the list please contact us at ian@thenewbusiness.ca.


Northeastern Ontario


WEST NI****ING ATV CLUB TRAILS

Pass/Permit: ATVO PowerPass or West Ni****ing ATV Club Membership
The trails are mostly situated between North Bay, Temagami and Chelmsford, with some stretching as far north and west as Shining Tree and Gogama.

Recommended Accommodations: South River Resort, Ni****ing



Explorers' Edge
BEAR CLAW TOURS

Distance: 1000 acres
Rating: Novice to Moderate
Seguin, Ontario's Bear Claw Tours provide guided ATV tours to some remote, scenic locations throughout the area. Offering a rider course for first-time riders for ages 6 and up, this is an ideal place to get some hands-on experience on an ATV in Ontario's north.

Recommended Accommodations: Bayside Inn, Parry Sound



REDLINE OUTDOORS TRAILS

Rating: Novice to Advanced
This is the ideal place to go to get safety training on ATVs and UTVs. Make your way through thick forest of pine lake rivers and ongoing ongoing outcrops of rock, mudholes and the natural wonders of the Muskoka area. Providing ATV rentals by the day, week or month, rider training and ATV/Camping and ATV/fishing packages all within an hour's drive from Toronto! They can travel to other locations for safety training courses for large groups. Contact them for more information.

Recommended Accommodations: Bayview Wildwood Resort, Severn Bridge


Bruce Grey Simcoe


BAXTER/SEVERN ATV TRAIL RIDERS TRAILS

Distance: 90 km
Pass/Permit: OFATV / EOTA / Baxter/Severn ATV Trail Riders
With trails just east of Georgian Bay including a great loop that will take you from Baxter Lake through the many lakes of the area south to Coldwater and back north to Port Severn. There are great mudholes, water and technical rocks around Barron's Lake.

Club Website Map

Interactive Map


CENTRAL ONTARIO ATV CLUB TRAILS

Distance: 60 km
Rating: Novice to Advanced
Pass/Permit: OFATV / EOTA / COATV
Currently maintaining 4 loops in the areas just South and East of Georgian Bay. Take in the amazing scenery along the bush trail located in various Simcoe County Forests that vary from smooth and sandy to tricky and technical.

Club Website Map

Interactive Map

Recommended Accommodations: Horseshoe Resort, Barrie, ON


DUFFERIN GREY ATV CLUB TRAILS

Distance: 267 km
Pass/Permit: OFATV / EOTA / DGATV available locally at these locations
Most trails are located in Grey County with some stretching down into Dufferin County near Shelburne.

Below is a list of maps for DGATV trails:

Chatsworth Ride 2010

Grey Highlands Trail

Hallman Property

Melancthon Trail

Walters Falls Tract


Ontario's Highlands


OTTAWA VALLEY ATV CLUB TRAILS

Distance: 690 km
Pass/Permit: OFATV / EOTA or OVATVC (available at club meetings or from membership director)
The OVATVC riding area is nestled in the beautiful Madawaska Highlands of Eastern Ontario. The trails cover a large area which is generally bordered by Calabogie to the north east, Sharbot Lake to the south, Bancroft to the west and the Madawaska River to the north.

Interactive Trail Map



RENFREW COUNTRY ATV CLUB TRAILS

Distance: 700 km
Rating: Novice to Advanced
Pass/Permit: EOTA / OFATV or RCATV membership
Located in the Ottawa Valley, the 700+ km network of trails is built on a foundation of abandoned rail lines and forest access roads that meander through forests, lakes view vistas and remarkable Ontario landscapes. This adventurous route winds it's way across the countryside passing through numerous rural commnunities that provide riders with convenient access to a wide variety of supplies, services and accommodations.

EOTA North Trail Map PDF




Ottawa and Countryside
ATV CLUB OF EASTERN ONTARIO TRAILS

Distance: 329 km
Pass/Permit: OFATV / EOTA / ATVCEO
The ATVCEO has a series of trails located in the countryside east of Ottawa, from just east of Casselman to Alexandria and north to the Ottawa River. As a result of recent by-law changes, the ATVCEO and Nationa Valley ATV Club are now linked.

Club Website Map

Downloadable PDF

Interactive Map


Southeastern Ontario


JOHNSTOWN ATV CLUB TRAILS

Distance: 40 km
Rating: Intermediate to Advanced
Pass/Permit: OFATV / EOTA. To learn more about membership click here.
View a map of the trails and locations to buy passes here or a pocket map here.



NATION VALLEY ATV CLUB TRAILS

Distance: 100 km
Pass/Permit: OFATV / EOTA. Click here for membership information
Located just south of Ottawa with trails near Winchester, Hallville and South Mountain. View a google map of the trails here or the OFATV/NVATV interactive map here.

Recommended Accommodations: White Rock Motel, Alexandria



NAPANEE & DISTRICT ATV CLUB TRAILS

Distance: 2,000 km
Pass/Permit: OFATV / EOTA. Click here for membership information
Located in the Lennox & Addington area, the club is a parnter with access to the massive 2,000km Eastern Ontario Trails Association trails.

Peterborough, Kawartha Lakes & Northumberland


GANARASKA FOREST

Distance: 300 km
Rating: Novice
Pass/Permit: Ganaraska Forest Membership or Day Pass
Southern Ontario's largest forest is located just an hour's drive from Toronto. With hundreds of kilometres of trails and logging roads, easy parking and multiple entry points. ATVing is permitted in the West Forest and East Forest only. The Central section of the Forest is maintained as a passive use area. Go to the Durham Region ATV Safety Coaltion site for locations for annual and day use permits other imporant information before heading out.

Recommended Accommodations: Beachwood Resort, Selwyn



Huron, Perth, Waterloo and Wellington
GREAT LAKES ATV CLUB TRAILS

Pass/Permit: OFATV / EOTA available locally at these locations


INNERKIP TRAIL

Distance: 10 km
Rating: Moderate
This trail system consists of winding flat trails, with some hilly areas and Blue Arrow trails (ie challenging muddy sections). It can take 1.5 to 3 hours to run. It is side by side friendly up to 64” width. This system is generally open for winter riding. Check website for updates.

Recommended Accommodations: Forest Motel and Woodland Retreat, Stratford


Hamilton, Halton and Brant


GREAT LAKES ATV CLUB TRAILS

Pass/Permit: OFATV / EOTA available locally at these locations


CATHCART TRAIL SYSTEM

Distance: 12 km
Rating: Novice
This trail is not Side-by-side friendly at present.This trail system has 12 km of family friendly trails, with some blue arrow trails. It will take 1.5 to 3 hours to run. Watch signs, as a couple trails are one way only. Bring a lunch to enjoy at our picnic area over Redneck Bridge.

Recommended Accommodations: Comfort Inn Brantford, Brantford



Niagara
QUAD NIAGARA ATV CLUB TRAILS

Pass/Permit: OFATV / EOTA
Currently in the Niagara Region you can legally ride your ATV on your own property, private property with permission from the land owner, crown land and on Quad Niagara/ OFATV legal trail system.

Recommended Accommodations: Canadas Best Value Inn, Port Colborne


York, Durham and the Hills of Headwaters
DUFFERIN GREY ATV CLUB TRAILS

Distance: 267km
Pass/Permit: OFATV / EOTA available locally at these locations
Most trails are located in Grey County with some stretching down into Dufferin County near Shelburne.

Below is a list of maps for DGATV trails:

Chatsworth Ride 2010

Grey Highlands Trail

Hallman Property

Melancthon Trail

Walters Falls Tract



GANARASKA FOREST

Distance: 300km
Rating: Novice
Pass/Permit: Ganaraska Forest Membership or Day Pass
Southern Ontario's largest forest is located just an hour's drive from Toronto. With hundreds of kilometres of trails and logging roads, easy parking and multiple entry points. ATVing is permitted in the West Forest and East Forest only. The Central section of the Forest is maintained as a passive use area. Consult the Durham Region ATV Safety Coaltion for permit sale locations and safety information before heading out.

Recommended Accommodations: Holiday Inn Express Hotel and Suites, Clarington-Bowmanville


Ontario's Southwest

NORFOLK COUNTY ATV CLUB TRAILS

Pass/Permit: OFATV / EOTA


B&D ATV TRAIL RIDING

Rating: Novice
B&D ATV Trails is a family park located in beautiful Six Nations of the Grand River Territory on 70 acres of grass and wood trails. The trail systems provide riders with freedom and a chance to explore a majestic Carolinian Forest. A great place for a family outing.



HALDIMAND AREA ATV CLUB TRAILS

Distance: 40km
Pass/Permit: OFATV / EOTA. To learn more click here


MORTON TERMINAL

This is multi-use trail area just off of Ojibway Parkway in Windsor. ATV's are only allowed on the main path and area around the tracks.

Recommended Accommodations: Howard Johnson, Tillsonburg
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Old 12-10-2017, 11:33 AM
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The great outdoors is for all to share in, hopefully with care to what's out there.

Crunch time has come for change weather we like it or not.

It might seem like a crazy plan at first making a wild life corridor,,, but the other side of the coin might mean better opertunities for Harvesting game later on.

If the Eastern Slopes are not able to support the game, one would think that many of them would work their way further towards the park or to the harvest fields.

I am a OHV dude, but I'm also a foot hiker, trail lawn chair guy, and a back woods camp person.

I call it the mix, next year we are doing the floating River thing.

Change can be good or not good depending what side of the fence we're on.

I'm not sure what side I'm on since I just fit in. This harvest season we seen a hand full of OHVS doing their thing, we could care less what others are doing since we are busy doing our own thing.

Alberta is one big Province, find a spot and get at it.

Always more wrong then wrong

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Old 12-10-2017, 11:57 AM
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Great post klondike.

So there you go newview, you have a framework being presented, you have a precedent.

Get with that club and map out the best trails in Alberta that should be designated all-use (quads, horses, bikes, peds) and send in a proposal to every mla riding using northern ontarios guidelines.

I would think that would be fair to all.

I dont ride atv but i would even support that, i would love to rent some atvs some day and take the family out on some great trails.

Or is your action limited to battle cries on here?
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Old 12-10-2017, 12:01 PM
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In other words, you can cast aspersions, but you won't back them up. Come on, how does that advance real discussion?

Walleyedude made a legitimate point that he had posted the 4 points the AOHVA had made, and that no one responded to it. I did, and I hope he comes back and answers my points.

One does not have to agree, but at least be honorable enough to not answer in the manner you have above. It does nothing at all to help.
I learned the tactic from your own kind.

Lots of casting blame, slam the ban hammer, but largely opinionated actions affecting a user group that you are not part of.
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Old 12-10-2017, 12:03 PM
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Great post klondike.

So there you go newview, you have a framework being presented, you have a precedent.

Get with that club and map out the best trails in Alberta that should be designated all-use (quads, horses, bikes, peds) and send in a proposal to every mla riding using northern ontarios guidelines.

I would think that would be fair to all.

I dont ride atv but i would even support that, i would love to rent some atvs some day and take the family out on some great trails.

Or is your action limited to battle cries on here?
And what have I stated that would be in contradiction to a well established trail system? That is exactly what I am a proponent of. Good trails, good enforcement.
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Old 12-10-2017, 12:22 PM
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And what have I stated that would be in contradiction to a well established trail system? That is exactly what I am a proponent of. Good trails, good enforcement.
Great to hear.
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Old 12-10-2017, 12:26 PM
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The Bighorn Heritage ATV Society in an Alberta based ATV society started in May 2002. The idea behind it was to promote and maintain environmentally friendly trails for all users in the Bighorn area. This society is run strictly by volunteers and donations. The first year the members used their ATV’s and old fashioned back breaking work. The trails would also have to stand the test of time. Members have built bridges to keep traffic out of the streams, relocated trails to higher ground, and to raise awareness to look after these trails for all trail users.

The Bighorn Heritage ATV Society are a group of volunteers who are trail stewards promoting responsible use of trails. We do trail maintenance so that we can continue to use the trails. The trails looked after are at the Hummingbird and Bighorn Dam area as these are Prime Protection areas 1 and 2. This #1 area having the highest in Restrictions for summer motorized and #2 area having the next down in Restrictions for summer motorized.

B.H.A.S. works on access management with ALBERTA SUSTAINABLE RESOURCES DEVELOPMENT in order to retain the access level that many ATV enthusiasts currently enjoy in the Bighorn backcountry. As a responsible ATV user it is extremely important to implement proper trail etiquette in order to maintain backcountry access not only for the present day but for the future as well. This etiquette includes staying on the existing trails, keeping away from soft ground (swamps, marshes, mud holes), and using existing bridges or crossing at right angles to waterway embankments.

BHAS is one of the many ATV clubs in Alberta. Our region is located close to Rocky Mountain House, Alberta.

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President

Dennis Schafer

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Vice-President

Keith Backs

Trail Director

Will Paradis

Bighorn trail maintenance

Hummingbird trail maintenance
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About Bighorn Heritage ATV Society (BHAS)
Who are we?
The Bighorn Heritage ATV Society in an Alberta based ATV society started in May 2002. The idea behind it was to promote and maintain environmentally friendly trails for all users in the Bighorn area. This society is run strictly by volunteers and donations. The first year the members used their ATV’s and old fashioned back breaking work. The trails would also have to stand the test of time. Members have built bridges to keep traffic out of the streams, relocated trails to higher ground, and to raise awareness to look after these trails for all trail users.
The only problem with something like this is the maintenance.

I remember going out to gap lake one year and some atv club cleaned up the trail, put up signs and worked the land to promote drainage. I was very impressed and said i was going to support clubs that did that.

Fast forward three years, and the entire trail is unpassable, even by hiking.
It was easier to bushwhack beside the trail then on the trail.

That stuff sounds good but it cant work with just volunteers.
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https://www.brazeau.ab.ca/getting-ac...t-with-respect

Sasquatch program

Welcome to our Backyard! Please enjoy it with Respect.


We are very fortunate to have a tremendous wilderness space right in our back yard and that we are one of the very few in North America to have the privilege to use Crown lands for recreation

With this privilege comes the responsibility for everyone to respect the natural environment to preserve this recreation space for generations to come.

Sasquatch and his Partners ask that you remember to:

Keep campfires attended at all times and make sure it’s out when you leave.
Avoid camping within 100 meters from all oil and gas facilities.
Stay on existing trails with motorized vehicles and share the trails with all users.
Avoid disturbing environmentally sensitive areas such as creeks, wetlands, trees and shrubs.
Respect all wildlife.
Pack out ALL garbage & recyclables; please leave it cleaner than when you found it!
About the Sasquatch, his Partners and their Message.

In recent years, Brazeau County has seen an increase in environmental damage to trails, random camping sites and sensitive environmental areas. Sasquatch and his partners are a group of stakeholders including industry, government and the public, who are seeking to endorse environmentally and socially responsible recreation in the West Country with the goal of creating lasting and contagious attitudes amongst recreationists.

What can you do?

Sasquatch and his partners will be engaging in marketing campaigns throughout the summer months to get the message out to recreationists. The best way to help is by being an environmental and social steward; lead by example in the West Country and spread the Sasquatch message to recreationists that you meet.

We are also inviting businesses and organizations that are interested to sponsor signage within the region. There are various sponsorship levels and all organizations that have contributed will be added as a Partner.

For more information, please contact Colin Loose, Parks & Recreation Coordinator at 780-542-7777
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That stuff sounds good but it cant work with just volunteers.
It would work much better to be partnered with a willing provincial government, but we don't seem to have one of those.

This group is no longer active

https://web.archive.org/web/20070204...0/projects.htm


they even put in boardwalk to one of three cold water springs that are in the area

https://web.archive.org/web/20070205.../boardwalk.JPG

This could shed so light into how people get tired and groups fail.

http://www.snowandmud.com/archive/in...p/t-15859.html

Its moot anyways since it's been shut down since 2012.
https://s3.amazonaws.com/gs-geo-imag...478b7d96_l.jpg

people even got ticketed.
http://www.snowandmud.com/archive/in.../t-100130.html
could you imagine driving from Red Deer to Rocky and getting a ticket upon arrival for driving down a close highway that is only posted at one end. how bizarre.
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http://="http://www.clearwatercounty...ion.jsp?sid=87

Clearwater County is currently developing a multi-user trail system along abandoned Rail line, covering 109 kilometers between Rocky Mountain House and Nordegg.

The trail plans to include rest stops, picnic sites and a few remote campsites. Users will be able to access the trail through a number of staging areas at: Prentice Creek Road, Chambers Creek, Jackfish Creek, Saunders, Harlech and Nordegg townsite. The three-metre wide trail will be open for use by quads, motorbikes, pedestrians, mountain bikers and horseback riders. In the winter, cross-country skiing, snowshoeing and dog sledding will also be possible.

The Rocky to Nordegg Trail Concept Plan

A 51plus page document with cost projections and maps. Not sure if this gain traction as it's dated June 2009

http://docs.clearwatercounty.ca/ckfi...il%20Final.pdf
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Clearwater Trails Initiative (CTI)
Rig Street Pilot Project Description
Feb 04 2015
General Project Overview:
The Clearwater Trails initiative (CTI) has brought together industry, municipal and local
provincial government people as well as local citizens and user groups to address
issues arising from large numbers of random campers and recreational motorized
vehicle use in the West Country. The focus area will be east of the Trunk Road where
Public Land Use Zones are not designated and management plans are not in place. Our
initial efforts will be a pilot project in the Rig Street area. CTI has been registered as a
synergy group under Synergy Alberta.
Industry has been taxed with expensive repairs to maintain compliance on their
dispositions when overuse by motorized vehicles, particularly in wet and steep areas,
damages ROW’s. There are also the risks and liabilities associated with public camping
on or near facility sites.
Random camping and trail riding is a culture in Alberta and is not likely to be regulated
to any great degree in the foreseeable future. Presently the liability for users on industry
dispositions lies with the disposition holder. The CTI group feels that there is opportunity
to softly manage recreational use through education and the provision of safe, suitable
random campsites connected to trails designed to reduce impacts on sensitive
environmental areas and industry dispositions. This could involve something as simple
as designating the safe side of a Right of Way (RoW) as the trail and keeping users off
the pipe to bridging sensitive areas to new trail construction around sensitive areas or
facilities. Industry could also participate by identifying abandoned or shut in sites as
suitable camping areas while higher risk ones are identified as unsuitable.
Clearwater County has an ongoing educational initiative that has branded respectful use
of the West Country with the Sasquatch as a mascot. CTI has been experimenting with
campsite and trail signage that features the Sasquatch directing people to the suitable
sites and trails and away from unsuitable ones. While sample size is still small initial
results are encouraging and we think we are on to something to reduce risk, liability and
even expenses to industry in a way that the average user will respect.
The CTI group includes members from Bighorn Heritage ATV Society, Alberta
Environment and Sustainable Resource Development (ESRD), Alberta Energy
Regulator (AER), Clearwater County, Sundre Forest Products, Husky, Keyera, Shell, Apache as well as local citizens. Members are currently providing financial as well as inkind
support to the project.
The CTI Groups has identified the Rig Street area of the Clearwater Forest in central
Alberta region of the province.

Complete document here-> http://docs.clearwatercounty.ca/ckfi...%202015(1).pdf


April 2015 coverage in Alberta Outdoorsmen magazine

Trail Map
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I would be surprised if it's 5%. Only 6% of all Albertan's engage in motorized recreation, and I doubt if all of that is in the foothills.

This is an interesting article by Lorne Fitch as a guest writer for Don Meredith.

https://donmeredith.wordpress.com/20...y-vehicle-use/
So what your saying is that 5% of users are destroying the ecosystem. What about the other 95% of the users, they are not hurting the ecosystem at all. Maybe we should keep all user groups out, then the ecosystem is saved from everyone that abuses.
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Lorne fitch must be thrilled thinking his OPINIONS matter
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I learned the tactic from your own kind.

Lots of casting blame, slam the ban hammer, but largely opinionated actions affecting a user group that you are not part of.
Attitudes like this ensure yours perspectives are not considered. That never will advance your point of view. Try being productive... it works.
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So what your saying is that 5% of users are destroying the ecosystem. What about the other 95% of the users, they are not hurting the ecosystem at all. Maybe we should keep all user groups out, then the ecosystem is saved from everyone that abuses.
Or maybe, just maybe, come up with solutions that end up with exactly what is happening right now.
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Lorne fitch must be thrilled thinking his OPINIONS matter

Maybe not to you, but they do matter to those that end up making the decisions. They are worth at the very least listening to. If you start dismissing everything that is presented, you are not being constructive.
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Or maybe, just maybe, come up with solutions that end up with exactly what is happening right now.
Wouldn't it be easier to target the bigger number in the fight to curb the ecosystem destruction? I was pretty good at math in school lol.
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Pretty sad when 3% to 5% out of the total amount users are doing the majority of the damage. I can be fairly decent at math as well. If the powers that be stop the 3% to 5% from rippin' and tearin' and the ongoing damage drops by 51% it looks like a pretty damn good return to me.

I've been recreating in Alberta's mountain backcountry roughly 1760 days in the last 5 decades and I think I have a pretty damn good handle on exactly what user group has been causing the acceleration in environmental damage in the past decade.
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Are you referring to the 4 points that was linked to?

I actually didn't see that as a real solution. I saw some elements in some of the points, but know, I did not see a pathway to ....

Working with the Government of Alberta, Land Use Framework staff and AOHVA experienced members in designing and developing trails and trail heads that are sustainable and environmentally-sound and repairing damaged trails.


What does AOHVA experienced members mean? I see this as a good start, just not sure what the details are.
Dedicating 100% of a new OHV User Fee to tackling important issues like habitat protection and proper trail construction and maintenance in partnership with AOHVA, Clubs and volunteers under an accountable, transparent AOHVA Service Delivery Structure.


This point is crying out for details on implementation. Is it proposing a DAO? Would the User Fee be area specific? Is there a suggestion that ALL licensed OHV users would have to contribute? This point really says little, and no details are on the website.
Ensuring the Government of Alberta provides law enforcement agencies with the tools and mandate to fully enforce the law.


The mandate is already there. What tools are proposed? What does this mean?
Building a better environmental and trail experience. Alberta can lead the way in OHV trail development by putting the onus on organizations like AOHVA and its like-minded partners to be responsible for environmental stewardship as a means of eliminating improper use of the back country.


This is not an action point at all, but a mission/values statement. In other words, at best this is a 3 point plan.

So, serious discussion on this is welcome.
I understand what you're getting at normstad, and I don't entirely disagree with your point, more detail is required. I'm sure it's available to some degree, I'll see what I can find.

The problem is though, you have to take the first step before you can take the 100th step. If you can't get cooperation or buy-in at this initial basic concept level, then what point is there in the details? Not that it's what you're doing personally, but I've seen this tactic before - ask for details, more data, more studies, more consultations, etc... ad nauseum, always placing the onus on the other party and never actually acknowledging what's being contributed, only asking for more. In the end, there can never be "enough" data or details to satisfy them, because the answer was predetermined, it's just a stall tactic and designed to burn you out, the ultimate rope a dope.

If you can't get a basic framework agreed to, then how do you know what the goals and details should be? You have to know what the rules are before you start playing the game. The problem is, no one in the government wants to define the rules, they will NOT make a decision or put anything in writing that they can be held to or that will allow the OHV groups to start making proposals based on concrete guidelines. If they did that, then there's a good chance the OHV groups will actually meet those guidelines, and then they can't say no. It's no different than trying to get a pipeline built, if you constantly change the rules or move the goalposts, it's a completely futile effort.

Klondike and others have done a great job of showing what these projects are capable of looking like. It's a win-win for everyone involved if we take these concepts seriously and actually work toward getting the details hammered out.
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I understand what you're getting at normstad, and I don't entirely disagree with your point, more detail is required. I'm sure it's available to some degree, I'll see what I can find.

The problem is though, you have to take the first step before you can take the 100th step. If you can't get cooperation or buy-in at this initial basic concept level, then what point is there in the details? Not that it's what you're doing personally, but I've seen this tactic before - ask for details, more data, more studies, more consultations, etc... ad nauseum, always placing the onus on the other party and never actually acknowledging what's being contributed, only asking for more. In the end, there can never be "enough" data or details to satisfy them, because the answer was predetermined, it's just a stall tactic and designed to burn you out, the ultimate rope a dope.

If you can't get a basic framework agreed to, then how do you know what the goals and details should be? You have to know what the rules are before you start playing the game. The problem is, no one in the government wants to define the rules, they will NOT make a decision or put anything in writing that they can be held to or that will allow the OHV groups to start making proposals based on concrete guidelines. If they did that, then there's a good chance the OHV groups will actually meet those guidelines, and then they can't say no. It's no different than trying to get a pipeline built, if you constantly change the rules or move the goalposts, it's a completely futile effort.

Klondike and others have done a great job of showing what these projects are capable of looking like. It's a win-win for everyone involved if we take these concepts seriously and actually work toward getting the details hammered out.
I've had an interesting discussion with someone who is involved in the decision making the past few days. The government is aware of the concerns expressed, and the indication I got was that they are not looking at closing down the majority of trails, and in fact, are looking at improving some staging areas.

Of course, you and I know this is very early in the process, and things can change, however, I was surprised at the comments. I can only suggest that meaningful discussions be utilized, and suspect if the AOHVA can align themselves with some of the greenies on some issues, that tactic could carry a lot of weight.
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Old 12-11-2017, 06:58 PM
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I've had an interesting discussion with someone who is involved in the decision making the past few days. The government is aware of the concerns expressed, and the indication I got was that they are not looking at closing down the majority of trails, and in fact, are looking at improving some staging areas.

Of course, you and I know this is very early in the process, and things can change, however, I was surprised at the comments. I can only suggest that meaningful discussions be utilized, and suspect if the AOHVA can align themselves with some of the greenies on some issues, that tactic could carry a lot of weight.
Honest question, what policies of the greenies should we be aligning with?
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Pretty sad when 3% to 5% out of the total amount users are doing the majority of the damage. I can be fairly decent at math as well. If the powers that be stop the 3% to 5% from rippin' and tearin' and the ongoing damage drops by 51% it looks like a pretty damn good return to me.

I've been recreating in Alberta's mountain backcountry roughly 1760 days in the last 5 decades and I think I have a pretty damn good handle on exactly what user group has been causing the acceleration in environmental damage in the past decade.
yes I agree. the logging companies, the gas companies, the cattle ranchers all do way more damage than any user group out there.
you should focus more on this than ohv's.
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To all the hunters, fishermen and land users that are going to lose some if not all access to public land..
If you chose to jump on the anti ohv bandwagon then you deserve to lose the access.
You all could have joined forces like the ohv users did but instead you pointed fingers and called out "it wasn't me, it was them". Now look where things are heading
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Honest question, what policies of the greenies should we be aligning with?
I think it is pretty easy to agree on impacts of siltation on streams and impacts on wetlands. Don't you?
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To all the hunters, fishermen and land users that are going to lose some if not all access to public land..
If you chose to jump on the anti ohv bandwagon then you deserve to lose the access.
You all could have joined forces like the ohv users did but instead you pointed fingers and called out "it wasn't me, it was them". Now look where things are heading
How does curtailing OHV use impact other access? After all, any Nature Conservancy, ACA or AFGA land is foot access only. One hears little opposition to that.
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I think it is pretty easy to agree on impacts of siltation on streams and impacts on wetlands. Don't you?
No, in fact I don’t. Runoff and sedimentation has occurred in varying degrees throughout history. According to “science” a few wet springs /summers should have wiped out the fish habitat in question. And then to blame ohv use on the “problem” without showing a willingness to diplomatically mitigate ohv “abuse” shows their true colours.
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I think it is pretty easy to agree on impacts of siltation on streams and impacts on wetlands. Don't you?
Have you seen what the flood of 2013 did? I think that was way more destruction than any OHV could ever do.
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Have you seen what the flood of 2013 did? I think that was way more destruction than any OHV could ever do.
He's been banned, he won't be replying to you....
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