Oil tanks derail in the Crowsnest

[bessiedog]

I was woken upby a huge bang crash around 4AM.

Went to get some valentines day goodies for the kids....

Drove by this in frank


All kinds of emergency services out

Looks like two cars.... And no spillage.

This is the third derailment in the Pass in three years.

This could have been OUR Lac Megantic....

Wonder if anyone will notice?

All three derailments have been within less than 1k from the Crowsnest river.

[HalfBreed]

Not good, looks like a need to push maintenance. Looks like hard work but good to strengthen a young back.

[Dick284]

I don't see any TDG placards!



Unless they say 1267, and are red, it isn't Petroleum Crude Oil.

I really wonder if it actually is Crude oil?

Absence of any placards, which I can't see in these pictures could indicate clean and empty tank cars!

Yes rail safety could be better, but whipping things up around a potential non event such as empty cars de railing is just ludicrous.

[edmhunter]

God how I hate to see that, just happy there was no a spill like what happened at Wabamun!

[Full Curl Earl]

Dick, if cars were empty a train derailment is fine, no cause for concern?
Geez, the pass is a beautiful place and I would be asking questions with that many mishaps.
I believe placards on rail cars were removed many years ago, for security purposes. There is a container number now you need to call in to know the contents.

[DiabeticKripple]

Originally Posted by Dick284

I don't see any TDG placards!



Unless they say 1267, and are red, it isn't Petroleum Crude Oil.

I really wonder if it actually is Crude oil?

Absence of any placards, which I can't see in these pictures could indicate clean and empty tank cars!

Yes rail safety could be better, but whipping things up around a potential non event such as empty cars de railing is just ludicrous.

I guess every tank car I've seen then has to of been empty!

[bessiedog]

Dick

I'm pointing out this...
3 derails in three years or so...
One with coal
One with peas
One with sulphur

This ones tankers....

You think I'm stirring things up.


I think I'm pointing out a problem.

[Dick284]

Originally Posted by bessiedog

Dick

I'm pointing out this...
3 derails in three years or so...
One with coal
One with peas
One with sulphur

This ones tankers....

You think I'm stirring things up.


I think I'm pointing out a problem.

Go re read my post!
Especially the last sentence!
Then apologize!

Rail safety is the issue.
Bringing up an un placarded shipment isn't.
Naming a product that isn't there is presumptuous rhetoric for the ill informed.

[Dick284]

Originally Posted by DiabeticKripple

I guess every tank car I've seen then has to of been empty!

Empty and purged, or a non dangerous product.

Take some TDG training.... Before flapping your lips.

[Dick284]

Originally Posted by Full Curl Earl

Dick, if cars were empty a train derailment is fine, no cause for concern?
Geez, the pass is a beautiful place and I would be asking questions with that many mishaps.
I believe placards on rail cars were removed many years ago, for security purposes. There is a container number now you need to call in to know the contents.

Wrong!

[CaberTosser]

What rail outfit was it? Is it the one whose employees are on the brink of striking?

[DiabeticKripple]

Originally Posted by Dick284

Empty and purged, or a non dangerous product.

Take some TDG training.... Before flapping your lips.

I have my TDG. I haul liquid N2 bulkers and pumps around all the time.

I have never seen a placard on a train car

[silverdoctor]

Isn't that yellow label for chemical spills?

[Dick284]

It is crude oil apparently, according to media reports.

Looks like the picture in the news clip is from the same spot as Bessie's.

http://www.cbc.ca/m/touch/canada/cal...tory/1.2957823

Still interesting that the placards are not visible.... Interesting!?!

[Wireone]

easy fellas its Valentines day

[Dick284]

Originally Posted by DiabeticKripple

I have my TDG. I haul liquid N2 bulkers and pumps around all the time.

I have never seen a placard on a train car

Last spring paralleling the CP main line from Ponoka to Red Deer, every tank car I noticed had TDG placards, and google doesn't indicate any exemption from placard ing, neither does my TDG training.
Unfortunately DV is not a rail hub, else wise a photo or two would sort this out.

Lets put this thread back on the tracks.(yes that's a pun)

Yes, rail safety is lacking in this country, it appears profits trump safety, and that is the real issue at hand.

[edmhunter]

Originally Posted by wireone

easy fellas its valentines day

lol

[thunderheart]

thanks bessie .. i used to live in pincher creek and love that country ..THANK GOODNESS THERE WAS NO SPILL ..

[omega50]

Originally Posted by Dick284

Last spring paralleling the CP main line from Ponoka to Red Deer, every tank car I noticed had TDG placards, and google doesn't indicate any exemption from placard ing, neither does my TDG training.
Unfortunately DV is not a rail hub, else wise a photo or two would sort this out.

Lets put this thread back on the tracks.(yes that's a pun)

Yes, rail safety is lacking in this country, it appears profits trump safety, and that is the real issue at hand.

Maybe just maybe -we should let the OP decide what the issues are.
After all.
It is HIS post.
Maybe the real issue is wind.
Time will tell.

[twofifty]

The ones in the OP's picture appear to have the new shields.

[whitetail Junkie]

There are still placard's on rail cars and I can clearly see one placard on a rail car in the OP's picture.

[loyaleddie]

4.1 Requirements for Dangerous Goods Safety Marks
A person must not offer for transport, transport or import a means of containment that contains dangerous goods unless each dangerous goods safety mark required by this Part and illustrated in the appendix to this Part, or illustrated in Chapter 5.2 or 5.3 of the UN Recommendations, is displayed on it in accordance with this Part.
SOR/2012-245

[bessiedog]

Is that this is happening too much...

And once again, we prolly dodged a bullet.

What's it going to be the next time? Cause apparently I won't have long to wait..
Wasent trying to fight wit u.

[JustBen]

Originally Posted by bessiedog

Is that this is happening too much...

And once again, we prolly dodged a bullet.

What's it going to be the next time? Cause apparently I won't have long to wait..
Wasent trying to fight wit u.

Lucky that it happened where it did. Could have easily dropped the cars into the river if it happened somewhere else along the line.

But there's something up with that particular spot. There was a train stuck on the tracks earlier this winter right there...

[mclean]

Naw we do not need a pipeline to the coast, Derailments give tourists something to look at. Honestly there are far to many derailments happening now days, I guess the country needs another major derailment with loss of life and major environmental damage to get a pipeline to the west coast.

[bobly]

Was just at the site. The train was pulling west so it was going very slow. It looks like the whole train is made up of those new, upgraded oil tankers. I have never seen a train like this before, a complete oil train very long and very heavy. Usually Canadian Pathetic has a few tankers together, then some boxcars etc. then some more tankers and so on. I guess the "other" cars act like buffers in an accident. I hope these tanker trains are not going to be the norm!

Seeing the train like this and living close to the line in the Pass makes me realize that transporting oil by train is bull****. We dodged the bullet this time. Is there going to be another time, much worse, like Megantic in the Pass? Is the Crowsnest River going to catch hell? Get the bloody pipeline to the coast built and fast! CPR, shame on you for trying to pull such a heavy dangerous train!!!!! Greed, just pure greed in my view!

[whitetail Junkie]

Originally Posted by JustBen

Lucky that it happened where it did. Could have easily dropped the cars into the river if it happened somewhere else along the line.

But there's something up with that particular spot. There was a train stuck on the tracks earlier this winter right there...

A 10,000 Tonne Train trying to climb a mountain with slippery\wet Rail was probley the reason the previous train was stuck there.

[bobly]

Canadian Pathetic does not normally carry empty crude oil tanker cars west. They are generally full and heavy! The engines work like hell due to the uphill grade When they return to Alberta the trains are going like blazes due to their light loads and reverse grade. This is all bull**** in motion, transporting oil by rail!

[Nester]

http://calgary.ctvnews.ca/train-cars...pass-1.2236461

[TBD]

protesting pipelines ?

every time this happens I feel like choking one of these left-tards OUT, oil should be shipped via the safest method and kept off our roads and rail lines ....