Whisker bisquit

[bobmac]

I m looking for thoughts on whisker bisquit and accuracy? Can you have great accuracy or is a drop away rest the way to go.

[chironomidkraut]

check the reviews out on archery talk
their is great shot accuracy with the WB but u will see people getting hung up on the whole loosing 3fps with it, I will take a 3fps loss for the positive things it gives u
total arrow containment in any angle
no moving parts
no rope attached to my string to activate the drop away and throw my tiller off
quiet
the list goes on and on
get one u wont be disappointed, let the games begin

[north american hunter]

I like the 'ugly cookie' because you can just throw the arrow on and go, you don't have the hassle of a drop away rest when in comes down to it.

[Alberta Bigbore]

When testing bows this past while, I had a vane pop off and noticed alot of the vanes on arrows were warped and beat to hell.

[north american hunter]

Originally Posted by Alberta Bigbore

When testing bows this past while, I had a vane pop off and noticed alot of the vanes on arrows were warped and beat to hell.

From a whisker biscuit?

[Scottmisfits]

Whisker biscuits are harder on the vanes for sure. But I have arrows with 5-800 shots on the that the vanes are still great on. I'm not worried about that.

I agree with chironomidkraut, the ease and reliability of a WB is what keeps me with one.

[Alberta Bigbore]

Originally Posted by north american hunter

From a whisker biscuit?

yep

[north american hunter]

Originally Posted by Alberta Bigbore

yep

I personally have never had that issue with biscuits.

[normanrd]

Only problem I had using a biscuit was that the vanes would get "wavy" or "warped" from going through it and streaching on the leading edge, nothing a hair dryer wouldn't fix though. Never did I have any vanes ripped off. Mind you I have always fletched my own, may be the difference there.

[baptiste_moose]

Use the search function or go to page 2. There's a good thread on this from a few weeks back. WB for the win.

^^^^ I fletch my own too and have no problems to date

[Bonescreek]

Any drop down rest that pulls the forks down well before the last
1/3 of the arrow passes so as not have any contact with fletching is good.
For all the old school.. (guide that rocket until the first 2/3s have left the
lauch pad then send her off on her own). God Speed.

That's the way the drop downs work.

Think about that, that's why drop down timing with any rest is
so important.



Most folks cant get the thing to work simply because they
can't get the timing set up right.

Most of the time that's the issue right there.

[Bonescreek]

I would expect with any rest that ...
The forks that hold my arrow would be at exactly 90 degrees to
my shelf at full draw.

Not 1 or 2 deregs over or under weak or stresess the riser, at peak at full draw.

And upon release I expect the arrow to be lanched with my rest
forks at 90 degrees not 1 or 2 degrees over/under.

This is where you set or lock in your rest timing at 90 dregees while at full draw and relaxed at achore point.

Sometimes takes two people to do this.

All things like this take time.
We shoot the bow we have patients like docures.
Ug.
If a docture would loose his patients would he be a poor man ?
Or would he simply be upset ?

[npauls]

Watch the pigman video on the trophy ridge site or on youtube about WB accuracy.
I seem to have more accuracy with the WB and it is way easier for me to tune so I am going to be sticking with them from here on out.

I actually have a trophy ridge revolution drop away that I am going to be trading for a whisker biscuit asap.

[Bonescreek]

npauls I agree 100 percent with what you say.

I'm just trying to put out info. for others who play around
with the DA rests simply because I've used them and had
some exp. with them.

Just trying to offer up my own experiences with them.
They are not for everyone and everyone is not for them.

I go with what ever works for my hunting conditions at the
time. That's the way I've always done it, not by what someone
else says.

I like to read what they say, sometimes I smile, sometimes I
laugh, sometimes its all BS and I simply move on.

[npauls]

Originally Posted by Bonescreek

npauls I agree 100 percent with what you say.

I'm just trying to put out info. for others who play around
with the DA rests simply because I've used them and had
some exp. with them.

Just trying to offer up my own experiences with them.
They are not for everyone and everyone is not for them.

I go with what ever works for my hunting conditions at the
time. That's the way I've always done it, not by what someone
else says.

Oh I wasn't responding to your post. I was just responding to the whole thread in general.

[Bonescreek]

That's fine. Sorry about any confusion.

[xxclaro]

I shot the WB for several years, then switched to drop aways just to see if teh hype was real. I tried an QAD that I could not get to clear no matter what, so now I have an Apache on it that works. Its fine, no big complaints about it but I can't honestly say it shoots much better than the WB. Its also noiser to use, with the arrow tending to rattle around a bit,even with the foam in it. If I ever take this rest off, I'll go back to the WB.

[Lefty-Canuck]

Originally Posted by xxclaro

I shot the WB for several years, then switched to drop aways just to see if teh hype was real. I tried an QAD that I could not get to clear no matter what, so now I have an Apache on it that works. Its fine, no big complaints about it but I can't honestly say it shoots much better than the WB. Its also noiser to use, with the arrow tending to rattle around a bit,even with the foam in it. If I ever take this rest off, I'll go back to the WB.

If your arrow wasn't clearing the QAD then it was set up wrong....or it had a defect.

I shoot a couple of QAD with some very fast bows and never had an issue.

As do a lot of guys I know who hunt and shoot 3D

LC

[Fitzy1994]

I have a QAD and it brought my FPS from 315 to 330, I had a whisker biscuit and It wore out in no time and it threw off my arrow in different directions, less contact to the arrow the better

[Alberta Bigbore]

Originally Posted by Lefty-Canuck

If your arrow wasn't clearing the QAD then it was set up wrong....or it had a defect.

I shoot a couple of QAD with some very fast bows and never had an issue.

As do a lot of guys I know who hunt and shoot 3D

LC

Ive been reviewing a bunch , to pick one for my new bow. I think Im going to try a Rip Cord again. I liked it back in 2006 . The QAD looks good too though. I am very tempted to try a biscuit .

[Lefty-Canuck]

Originally Posted by Alberta Bigbore

Ive been reviewing a bunch , to pick one for my new bow. I think Im going to try a Rip Cord again. I liked it back in 2006 . The QAD looks good too though. I am very tempted to try a biscuit .

Benefit to a QAD is if you have to draw down it still stays up, in a hunting situation this is helpful

Benefit to the Ripcord is it always falls no matter what...so chance of contact with your arrow is very low.

I have used both and now both my bows have a QAD.

The place where you are getting your bow only sells Ripcords if I am not mistaken?

LC

[Alberta Bigbore]

Originally Posted by Lefty-Canuck

Benefit to a QAD is if you have to draw down it still stays up, in a hunting situation this is helpful

Benefit to the Ripcord is it always falls no matter what...so chance of contact with your arrow is very low.

I have used both and now both my bows have a QAD.

The place where you are getting your bow only sells Ripcords if I am not mistaken?

LC

He has QAD on the wall. And can order either. I used a Rip Cord in 2006 on mybTrykon and Ibliked it. I just want to get started. Try new things later on.

[L.O.S.T.Arrow]

Originally Posted by Alberta Bigbore

When testing bows this past while, I had a vane pop off and noticed alot of the vanes on arrows were warped and beat to hell.

Da Ugly Cookie Is #1...lol

I have been shooter the Ugly cookie since its invent, when it was front load we suggested the quick shot opening and it just keeps getting better with time, the new Power shot with Ballistix CoPolymer System..super tuff and quite...
•Windage and elevation adjustment
•Reference marks

They have come a long way...best part is zero moving parts and I have used them in minus 50c to plus 40c in desert, mountains, boral forrest, Artic Circle, praries, rain, sleet, snow, and drought..tuffer than the dang mailman..lol

The soft vanes will warp slightly ..hot water or blow dryer as mentioned will bring em back straight as a....vane on an arrow

We use the harder vanes like Savage from Duravane or the Blazers

A dap of glue on front and back of vane eliminates lost vanes...

the Ugly cookie can be/is as accurate as any drop away, shoot long distance and be made quite as any...


JMHO
Neil

[gcfby07]

x2 on the savage vanes through a wisker bisket.I have taken numerous animals with the bisket and duravanes,and have had no problems,really like the bisket for hunting applications.Never had an arrow fall of the rest yet.

[karm]

the bisket is for hunting the other ones for target shooting

[Baskey1414]

I've been using drop aways for all my hunting bows.. I'm sure you can get great accuracy with a wb but I think you'll have better luck with a drop away. I like QAD or ripcord. You can lock both rests up so your arrow doesn't fall off, and with a little mole skin you can make them super quiet. I've seen a lot of people tear up vanes with wb too.

[abbgdr]

I found the WB noisy to draw on cold clear days. Nothing quieter than moleskin wrapped prongs on a drop away. If it's windy like we have most of the time in Alberta, no problem. But I had a deer jerk up its head and look directly at me as the arrow made so much noise on the draw,, and it was a carbon not aluminum... Which Really is loud on the WB. To each their own,, I prefer to draw in silence.
There are so many interconnected moving parts on a compound that need to be in synch. Tuning a rest is not that complicated. If you want ultimate simplicity, it's really hard to beat a recurve or long bow. I see no issue with drop always on hunting bows, there are a lot of really well designed DA's now day. Just find a good tech to set it up if your not set up to work on your own bows.
I really appreciate the simplicity of the WB and if I could find a quieter arrow I'd use one.

[H380]

A buddy of mine shoots an 80 # Darton bow with a whisker biscuit and Slicktrick fixed blade broad heads and Blazervanes . Very accurate for him ,in fact he holds #1 Kodiak brown bear , #2 Tahr , # 7 Red Stag and # 10 Cape buffalo SCI Record book with this combination .

[Ignorant Redneck]

My first bow had a whisker biscuit and it seemed to work ok. I agree on the slight noise they do make. Second Bow I bought a drop away and don't think I could ever go back. They are more expensive but we'll worth it

[L.O.S.T.Arrow]

Originally Posted by abbgdr

I found the WB noisy to draw on cold clear days. Nothing quieter than moleskin wrapped prongs on a drop away. If it's windy like we have most of the time in Alberta, no problem. But I had a deer jerk up its head and look directly at me as the arrow made so much noise on the draw,, and it was a carbon not aluminum... Which Really is loud on the WB. To each their own,, I prefer to draw in silence.
There are so many interconnected moving parts on a compound that need to be in synch. Tuning a rest is not that complicated. If you want ultimate simplicity, it's really hard to beat a recurve or long bow. I see no issue with drop always on hunting bows, there are a lot of really well designed DA's now day. Just find a good tech to set it up if your not set up to work on your own bows.
I really appreciate the simplicity of the WB and if I could find a quieter arrow I'd use one.

Good points,... however there are ways to silence the Ugly Cookie, some depend on the arrows, camo arrows can be noisier...certain brands are very quite such as the Bemans and some CX's

when installing set top slightly closer to straing than bottom...
use next size opening size of biscuit for arrows...make sure there is plenty of daylight on top and side of arrow in biscuit..

keep biscuit clean, blow out dust with compressed air, even a wet finger inserted will clean it out [ minds out of gutter lol]

And a product that works very well made to silence the Ugly cookie [WB] is made by Scorpion Venom products...[different than Scorpion strings] its called the Biscuit Spray...not only does it waterproof but it also reduces noise and friction for increased arrow speed. come is small handy spray bottle great for the pack.

Neil