Best Skinning knife for $200 - Page 55

CNP · #**1621** 06-30-2023, 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Phil McCracken

Thanx 270hunter. Appreciate that!

In the past while, some have contacted me to determine if I used stainless steel on my knives. I was using Carbon Steel then, and still will be.

I recently purchased CPM Magnacut and looking forward to trying it out. Haven't heard a single bad thing about this steel. Appears to be a very popular within the knife crowd.

I also did some research on Nitro V Stainless Steel, and may give that a try also...

The heat treatment for Magnacut is certainly up there! 2050-2200F

Phil McCracken · #**1622** 06-30-2023, 05:02 PM

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The heat treatment for Magnacut is certainly up there! 2050-2200F

Yep.

I don't have the equipment to do that so will be sending the blades out for heat treating/tempering to the pros. It is actually not too bad cost wise. Shipping is a different story.

Many knife builders will do that for super steels anyway.

Good thing is I have a heat treat business about 50 klicks from my place...

sns2 · #**1623** 07-10-2023, 09:32 AM

Woke up this mornin and needed a shave. Well, to be specific, my right arm

badbrass · #**1624** 07-10-2023, 02:18 PM

Probably a 17 degree angle on that?

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Woke up this mornin and needed a shave. Well, to be specific, my right arm

sns2 · #**1625** 07-10-2023, 04:25 PM

Yes, 17 degrees

obsessed1 · #**1626** 07-10-2023, 05:45 PM

We just finished up our meat birds on Saturday. 50 all together. Love putting the knives through the wringer, after cutting every throat and taking off legs of probably close half of those the old magnacut only reqired 4 strokes per side on a strop to remove the hair off my left arm! ..got a total of 6 pigs to slaughter and butcher as come Oct as well as all our big game...blades will get a good work out

sns2 · #**1627** 07-10-2023, 06:20 PM

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We just finished up our meat birds on Saturday. 50 all together. Love putting the knives through the wringer, after cutting every throat and taking off legs of probably close half of those the old magnacut only reqired 4 strokes per side on a strop to remove the hair off my left arm! ..got a total of 6 pigs to slaughter and butcher as come Oct as well as all our big game...blades will get a good work out

He sure does make a nice knife.

Phil McCracken · #**1628** 07-10-2023, 06:54 PM

Just sent 3 CPM Magnacut semi skinners to an outside source for a Heat Treat. I don't have the equipment for this super steel. This guy turns out to be 80 kms from my place (near Sundre). Hardness will be between 60-62.

Looking forward to play with them. Me thinking around 20/22 or so degrees edge, which I believe should be a very good all around edge.

What you guys think?

obsessed1 · #**1629** 07-10-2023, 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by sns2

He sure does make a nice knife.

That one was the Seimbida... first blood on the knife!

obsessed1 · #**1630** 07-10-2023, 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Phil McCracken

Just sent 3 CPM Magnacut semi skinners to an outside source for a Heat Treat. I don't have the equipment for this super steel. This guy turns out to be 80 kms from my place (near Sundre). Hardness will be between 60-62.

Looking forward to play with them. Me thinking around 20/22 or so degrees edge, which I believe should be a very good all around edge.

What you guys think?

I have been doing 17 deg on my two magnacut blades and have no issues

sns2 · #**1631** 07-10-2023, 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Phil McCracken

Just sent 3 CPM Magnacut semi skinners to an outside source for a Heat Treat. I don't have the equipment for this super steel. This guy turns out to be 80 kms from my place (near Sundre). Hardness will be between 60-62.

Looking forward to play with them. Me thinking around 20/22 or so degrees edge, which I believe should be a very good all around edge.

What you guys think?

Phil, I can’t wait to see what you turn out.

Magnacut is rated as a fairly tough steel, and it has become many kitchen knife makers’ favourite new steel. Thus, it should be capable of riding bone pretty good during breaking down a carcass.

I think with its inherent toughness, you’d be wasting performance at 20-22 degrees. Maybe I’m being too nerdy, but why order a custom knife if you aren’t gonna maximize cutting performance. Just a thought.

sns2 · #**1632** 07-10-2023, 07:30 PM

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That one was the Seimbida... first blood on the knife!

You, you dirty knife sleaze, you!

averagejoe · #**1633** 07-11-2023, 02:40 AM

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Originally Posted by sns2

Phil, I can’t wait to see what you turn out.

Magnacut is rated as a fairly tough steel, and it has become many kitchen knife makers’ favourite new steel. Thus, it should be capable of riding bone pretty good during breaking down a carcass.

I think with its inherent toughness, you’d be wasting performance at 20-22 degrees. Maybe I’m being too nerdy, but why order a custom knife if you aren’t gonna maximize cutting performance. Just a thought.

Yup, it was designed so it could hold up with a thinner edge. I put a 15° per side edge on my North Arm Lynx in Magnacut and it has held up without issue. Of course it won't deal well with hammering on it but it isn't designed for that.

IIRC 62-63 hrc was a real sweet spot in edge retention and toughness. Hard enough for great edge retention but not hard enough that it will shatter.

Phil McCracken · #**1634** 07-11-2023, 06:09 AM

Thanx guys. Makes sense. Will be my first time playing with Magnacut...

Pathfinder76 · #**1635** 07-11-2023, 06:36 PM

Have a new one that cleared customs yesterday.

Pathfinder76 · #**1636** 07-12-2023, 05:18 PM

A Loveless style semi skinner.

spurly · #**1637** 07-12-2023, 05:37 PM

Beautiful knife. You must have one too many now

Phil McCracken · #**1638** 07-12-2023, 07:30 PM

That is very nice indeed!

Nice to see what different knife makers have to offer...Thanx for sharing...

Coiloil37 · #**1639** 07-12-2023, 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Pathfinder76

A Loveless style semi skinner.

Very nice. What steel?

Pathfinder76 · #**1640** 07-12-2023, 08:36 PM

The maker only works in CPM 154.

Pathfinder76 · #**1641** 07-22-2023, 03:43 PM

Better photos.

badbrass · #**1642** 07-22-2023, 03:45 PM

Very Nice knife!

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Better photos.

sns2 · #**1643** 07-22-2023, 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Pathfinder76

The maker only works in CPM 154.

In my eyes, a very good steel.

And a very nice knife!

Coiloil37 · #**1644** 07-22-2023, 07:25 PM

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In my eyes, a very good steel.

When heat treated properly it can be very good. My CPM-154, Phil Wilson filleting knife is still shaving sharp and being used to cut up plenty of fish and I haven’t stropped or sharpened it now in two years.

I’ve already spoke with pathfinder but I’m interested in a long term review of this makers wares as I might have to buy one. They are beautiful.

Pathfinder76 · #**1645** 07-22-2023, 07:56 PM

The maker is a retired tool & die maker. I talked to him for an hour the other night. Mainly to order another knife, but he shared a bunch of his thoughts on knife construction and make up. He outsources his heat treat to a professional heat treat shop and says he can’t do any better so why try. His guard fitment is quite interesting and he epoxies instead of soldering them. He is perfectly capable of soldering them on, but doesn’t like some of the trouble that comes with them. They are also pinned and believe me when I say the pins are invisible. You can’t see them. His liners and scales are perfectly fit and he uses stainless corby bolts exclusively.

Right at the end of our conversation he said, “hey have you heard of CPM Magnacut”? I said that I had and he said he had just ordered some would he like me to use that. I agreed. He warned me that it doesn’t polish well so will require a belt finish which I’m completely good with.

sns2 · #**1646** 07-23-2023, 12:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Coiloil37

When heat treated properly it can be very good. My CPM-154, Phil Wilson filleting knife is still shaving sharp and being used to cut up plenty of fish and I haven’t stropped or sharpened it now in two years.

I’ve already spoke with pathfinder but I’m interested in a long term review of this makers wares as I might have to buy one. They are beautiful.

There is something to be said for a steel that holds an edge moderately well and is easy to sharpen.

Don’t think I wanna toy with Maxamet. Sounds like such a pain to sharpen.

I will tell you a steel that holds a crazy edge, and is pretty darn easy to sharpen… k390. But it patinas, well let’s be honest, flat out discolours, right away. I wouldn’t want that on a nice hunting knife.

elkhunter11 · #**1647** 07-23-2023, 06:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Pathfinder76

The maker only works in CPM 154.

I am perfectly content with CPM 154, even if there are newer steels that may hold an edge a little longer. In fact , even 154CM would easily do a moose or elk , without the need to touch it up, and it is very easy to restore the edge, when it does need to be touched up.

sns2 · #**1648** 07-23-2023, 08:36 AM

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Originally Posted by elkhunter11

I am perfectly content with CPM 154, even if there are newer steels that may hold an edge a little longer. In fact , even 154CM would easily do a moose or elk , without the need to touch it up, and it is very easy to restore the edge, when it does need to be touched up.

I would wager anything I have that no one on this site could tell the difference between cm and cpm.

Good steels

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Mr.Piker · #**1649** 07-23-2023, 09:13 AM

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I would wager anything I have that no one on this site could tell the difference between cm and cpm.

Good steels

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Tell the difference in use or explanation ?
CPM is crucibles powdered version of cm154. The particles are finer and more evenly distributed throughout the steel.

I would say most who have made knives from both can tell a difference, especially in the polishing and sharpening. Actual use of the knife would be harder to tell without really fair head to head tests.

sns2 · #**1650** 07-23-2023, 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Mr.Piker

Tell the difference in use or explanation ?
CPM is crucibles powdered version of cm154. The particles are finer and more evenly distributed throughout the steel.<

I would say most who have made knives from both can tell a difference, especially in the polishing and sharpening. Actual use of the knife would be harder to tell without really fair head to head tests.

I’d bet not a single person on this site could tell the difference between one or the other in any type of blind test the mind could make up.

Maker or user.

This site.