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Old 11-04-2011, 10:03 PM
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More fisherpeople now than years ago, more knowledge on how to catch walleye now than years ago. Once the need was identified things were changed were they not?
Are you telling me that all this was just discovered this past year you can not be serious ........lol
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Old 11-05-2011, 05:21 AM
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Are you telling me that all this was just discovered this past year you can not be serious ........lol
no horse, please reread my post.

Yes horse Im serious

Times are changing, just not fast enough for you.

What im saying is walleye are getting more popular and fishermen are getting better at catching them.

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Old 11-05-2011, 05:31 AM
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It appears that 2 weeks was deemed sufficient. Why close something when you dont have to?
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Old 11-05-2011, 05:36 AM
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Any one think that maybe if SAWT didnt fish the lake the last 2 years that just maybe the closure wouldnt be extended?

Something for you all to think about!

Sorry for short posts but have to go to work.
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Old 11-05-2011, 09:27 AM
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More fisherpeople now than years ago, more knowledge on how to catch walleye now than years ago. Once the need was identified things were changed were they not?
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no horse, please reread my post.

Yes horse Im serious

Times are changing, just not fast enough for you.

What im saying is walleye are getting more popular and fishermen are getting better at catching them.
I did read your post and thats what i was getting at all the change in the numbers of fishermen and the knowledge in catching fish has not happened over the last year. So no it was not changed as soon as it was identified.
its been some thing that has been known for years.



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It appears that 2 weeks was deemed sufficient. Why close something when you dont have to?
Most areas that are fish breeding ground are close completely or for a extended time as Dace has shown in his post ONE of the reasons being there are so many things that can affect the time line of breeding fish. Water temp.- Water levels, Oxygen levels, and even moon stages are a few. Knowing this how can you determine that every year it will always come together in the same 2 week period.......YOU CAN"T.







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Any one think that maybe if SAWT didnt fish the lake the last 2 years that just maybe the closure wouldnt be extended?

Something for you all to think about!

Sorry for short posts but have to go to work.


Don't know what this statement is to mean. I would think if SAWT did not fish the closed area it would show their support and their agreement with the fact it should be closed to help protect the fisheries. By fishing in the area it is showing their lac of concern for the fisheries.
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Old 11-05-2011, 10:49 AM
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From what i gather is there seems to be a conflict of interests. The campground would lose revenue.
Now one must ask is the lost revenue greater than the possible rebuilding of a lake?
Ya, this was the only reason I could come with. I have no idea how busy that campground usually is from May 8-June 1 on a typical year, so I can't really comment on how much a full closure of the lake would affect the campground revenue.

On one hand, the campground is a business and must look after its best interests, which is making money. How much money is made from people who camp there during May8-June1 and fish?? I have no idea...

On the other hand, if the lake becomes a terrible fishery, then what's the campgrounds plan? It won't matter if the lake is closed an extra 2-3weeks cause the people that camp there in that time period in order to fish, will find a different lake and campground...

Always two sides to every debate I guess.


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It appears that 2 weeks was deemed sufficient. Why close something when you dont have to?
Deemed sufficient by who? And obviously the west arm is not the only spawning grounds for walleye in that lake... From what others have said, it is a major one, but not the only one... SO, why the decision to close only the west arm? You've pointed out the fact the weather patterns have changed the past few years pushing back spawning... Clearly this can't affect just one part of the lake. What was the process used to determine that only the west arm needed an extra closure?

And what about the pike in all this? It seemed to me last winter that they are following the same pattern and were 2-3 weeks behind from their normal spawning routine. So why not a push to protect them as well? Is the walleye state in Travers just more desperate than the state of pike?

I'm just asking these questions because I have no idea, but have yet to be shown any data to support what is being discussed, and still have no idea the process used to determine all this. Which brings me to below....


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Any one think that maybe if SAWT didnt fish the lake the last 2 years that just maybe the closure wouldnt be extended?

Something for you all to think about!

Sorry for short posts but have to go to work.
So are you saying that the process behind this closure is simply that SAWT pounded this part of the lake for the 3 years WU was pushing to get this closure, so SAWT could then say "look, we've been fishing this part of the lake, and we aren't catching any big fish anymore?? Poor us.." That sounds a little "fishy" to me.... Especially considering the whole WU/SAWT same president thing brought up before....

I would really like for you, huntfurfish, to expand on this comment and what exactly you mean behind it. Maybe I'm missing something here.


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Don't know what this statement is to mean. I would think if SAWT did not fish the closed area it would show their support and their agreement with the fact it should be closed to help protect the fisheries. By fishing in the area it is showing their lac of concern for the fisheries.
This makes so much more sense than what huntsfurfish is alluding to!

Instead of pounding it during the tournament, they very well could have a taken a pro-active approach by NOT fishing it, saying "look, we're very concerned about the state of this part of the lake, especially with the timing of this tournament. SO, to help WU's cause to push for an extended closure, we've decided to not let tournament anglers fish this part of the lake."

To me, that makes more of an impactful statement than anything. That's just me though.
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Old 11-05-2011, 11:54 AM
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Is there any proof that the west arm and river is a major spawing area on Travers. Has Terry Clayton Head bio. from Leth. confirmed this , would like to know.
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Old 11-05-2011, 12:07 PM
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And obviously the west arm is not the only spawning grounds for walleye in that lake... From what others have said, it is a major one, but not the only one... SO, why the decision to close only the west arm? .
But it's a very all-accessible, bottleneck, spawning area.

As for the Pike, they always seem so healthy and large'ish from Travers. I don't fish there as much as would like to but compared to MacGregor the Pike seem to be doing fine. Anyone want to chime in.
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