Milk river natural area question

[LandlockedIslander]

Hey guys just doing some e scouting for next year and I see there’s a gorgeous looking natural area in the bottom of 102. It also says no access without permission. Curious if any of you know where that permission is obtained? Anyone floated the milk river? This is preliminary planning for me so I am not looking for people to tell me I’m lazy or that I have to earn it or tell me what their secret spot is and what number to call to find precisely what I’m looking for. Just curious if anyone has any info on that area and is willing to share.
Thanks in advance.


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[Mateo]

I've canoed it a couple times. The signs on the side of the river says to stay on the river and it mentioned it being an archaeologically sensitive area.

[Skyline]

It’s surrounded by private and lease land, it’s hard to get to with out permission, and really hard to get a animal out of there. As for floating it, not sure where you can get off the river with out ending up in the US. I believe one of the big ranchers leases the natural area for his cattle. I looked into it a few years ago, that’s as far as I got

[LandlockedIslander]

Thanks for this guys anyone else have additional info?


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[W921]

Which one are you talking about?
The one south of one four?
Kennedy coulee?
Milk river natural area?
In 2003 I had permission for all of them and no restrictions. Plus all the community pastures. That sure changed last fall. Spent months trying to get hold of people and then when I did the answer was no or had so many restrictions the answer might as well been no.
They keep changing the names and designations of this stuff. All my contacts from from 2003 where no good anymore. See I kept all the names , phone numbers and maps they sent me. All garbage now. It feels like they treat all this public land as private.
I spent months and months wasting my time on this. This just isn't right. Call them and get machines,leave messages and they never call you back. Or they give you some other number that no one ever answers.

[RZR]

I wouldn’t get caught in Kennedy coulee as that is an ecological reserve and there is no hunting in any ecological reserve. I wouldn’t waste any priority points in 102.

[oilngas]

W921

The problem is not just down in the SE corner, Jenner etc. Eldon Stewart has chosen to invoke restrictions similar to ones you listed, on 75 sections of aspen park land in the Stettler area. He has effectively closed the area, to most hunting.

Somewhere there has to be a common ground between Lease Holders, and Sportsmen, I have yet to find it with Eldon.

Other Grazing lessees, landowners, cultivation lessees etc. seem to amicably to the old timey way of introduction, knock on doors, keep in touch, offer to help with problems, eyes on the land etc. But not Eldon.

[W921]

Normal lease land that is leased to private cow/calf outfits i don't have a problem with. Its the government land that the government looks after that is probable going to give me a stroke or heart attack!
This land belongs to all of us! Its not a personal playground of some government employees and their buddy's.
I'm really starting to think that playing by the rules is for suckers!
They want your draw and tag money, but they don't really want you to hunt. They darn well don't want you to actually shoot anything. Thats better left natives, wolves,starvation and disease or in some cases government employees and their buddy's.
Where just like most of the rest of Canada now. Thats progress(sarcasm) .
Ever notice like even if a government cuts its budjet. Nobody gets fired,they just cut their services. Not that they actually do anything useful. Or what they mean by a cut back is they were planning on increasing their spending by 20% but now they will only increase it by 4%. Tough times (sarcasm)
If someone figures out a way to access our land,please post it on here. That way maybe some young people might get to experience it someday.

[LandlockedIslander]

Anyone attend th bah pint night in calgary discussing lease land system this month? curious if they addressed anything lie this there.

[urban rednek]

I just spent 30 minutes on the government website trying to figure this out...what a circle jerk that is! Looks like it was done intentionally to prevent anyone from accidentally finding the answers to these questions.
Permission is required to access this site? Permission from who? The local landowners for overland access? Or government permits to hunt in the natural area? I've never hunted a natural area, so haven't looked into this before.

Anyways, if it is a case of local landowners not allowing overland access, do what the guys up north do and run in and out with riverboats. This effectively bypasses the local guardians of their private hunting preserve.

[LandlockedIslander]

Glad to hear I’m not the only one who found it confusing.


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[CNP]

Says you can hunt there: https://www.albertaparks.ca/albertap...natural-areas/
Phone number: https://www.albertaparks.ca/parks/south/milk-river-na/

I haven't been there. Appears to be no road to it after consulting a map. RR62 to the North comes short of it. Are the surrounding properties all private?

Where does it say you need permission to access it?

[W921]

Originally Posted by CNP

Says you can hunt there: https://www.albertaparks.ca/albertap...natural-areas/
Phone number: https://www.albertaparks.ca/parks/south/milk-river-na/

I haven't been there. Appears to be no road to it after consulting a map. RR62 to the North comes short of it. Are the surrounding properties all private?

Where does it say you need permission to access it?

Thanks for posting this. So Kennedy coulee is out by the looks of it.
On my old map it shows one four na south of one four. On the internet map it shows it west of milk river na?

[W921]

My land ownership map runs out just west of these natural areas but my topo maps show farm yards but not who owns them. But my topo maps make it look like you have to cross private land to get to natural areas.

[CNP]

This is a screenshot from iHunter app. All of the blue qtrs are grazing leases and they pretty much surround the Milk River Nat Area with the exception of some private land (white qtrs) directly to the North. There are no roads that lead to it. If you subscribe to iHunter with the Public Land Access Layer you can determine grazing lease owner information and phone them with the number provided from the app. Closest you can get to it by road is the intersection of Twp Rd 22 and Rge Rd 62 and continue S on Rge Rd 62 to the end

[Faststeel]

Originally Posted by W921

My land ownership map runs out just west of these natural areas but my topo maps show farm yards but not who owns them. But my topo maps make it look like you have to cross private land to get to natural areas.

Friends of mine were in there is late sept, hunting something, might have been bow and arrow elk... and it is a good hike in to the river its self. i have heard there can be some massive bull elk found down that way, so if you can find your way in, it could be a good place for priority......FS

[ram crazy]

Originally Posted by Faststeel

Friends of mine were in there is late sept, hunting something, might have been bow and arrow elk... and it is a good hike in to the river its self. i have heard there can be some massive bull elk found down that way, so if you can find your way in, it could be a good place for priority......FS

You heard wrong about massive bull elk and would be lucky to find a 300" bull! Good luck though.

[W921]

For me its all about seeing new country. I try to get away from civilization. I get upset if I see a passenger jet in the sky somewhere.
I probably physically don't have another trip left in me.
My priority is extremely high for mule deer buck. If possible I would like to take my daughter on one more adventure. I would let her take the deer if we went.
I've been on two antelope hunts down there but both were on private land and way to short. Haha I've only hunted two or three hours down there my whole life so there are lots of places I would love to explore.
You have to be able to camp somewhere down there with horses or it just isn't possible for us to hunt it.
We generally take a road trip down there every summer to visit people or to knock on a few doors to make new contacts. Problem is trying to catch anybody home.
Years ago there seemed to be lots of game down there. Last year not so much but we didn't spend much time there.
I'm going to try calling that number from that web page. Maybe since hunting is over with they won't be scared to answer it.

[ram crazy]

There is no camping on any of the leases.

[Full Curl Earl]

Is that because a guys dome tent will lay down the precious grass and the cows wont eat it?
More restrictions in grazing leases than Nahanni National Park, Jasper, Banff,
and Kluane National Park combined.
Cant we all just enjoy these cool places...

[W921]

If I start a new thread somebody will probably get mad at me and tell me to post it on one of the lease complaining threads already on here so I guess I will ask it here but I'm not trying to highjack the thread.
I think Urban redneck is on to something. Does anybody on here have experience boating the milk river?
Years ago I had a good bear hunting trip on the Peace river. I rented a ten foot boat in grand prairie. Got a girl to drop me off in BC and floated to Dunvegon bridge about a week later. Fantastic trip. Didn't see a human the whole time. Camped on islands at night to keep away from predators. At dunvegan bridge there was a pay phone to call to get picked up.
North side of river has huge banks that catch the first heat in spring so its the first thing to get green so you get huge concentration of game. Its defiantly a younger guys hunt though.
When I did it you didn't need some stupid boaters course to use a boat.

[Full Curl Earl]

I have spent an awful lot of time around the Milk and personally not seen many Fall seasons where the river could be floated in a canoe let alone a boat. I’ve never crossed it on foot and gotten my shins wet.
Other seasons of course have more water flow, but Fall, i cant see it unless your walking the river and pulling a vessel behind you with gear in it.
Also, regarding private land along the river, its crown to the high water mark by law.

[Skyline]

Originally Posted by W921

If I start a new thread somebody will probably get mad at me and tell me to post it on one of the lease complaining threads already on here so I guess I will ask it here but I'm not trying to highjack the thread.
I think Urban redneck is on to something. Does anybody on here have experience boating the milk river?
Years ago I had a good bear hunting trip on the Peace river. I rented a ten foot boat in grand prairie. Got a girl to drop me off in BC and floated to Dunvegon bridge about a week later. Fantastic trip. Didn't see a human the whole time. Camped on islands at night to keep away from predators. At dunvegan bridge there was a pay phone to call to get picked up.
North side of river has huge banks that catch the first heat in spring so its the first thing to get green so you get huge concentration of game. Its defiantly a younger guys hunt though.
When I did it you didn't need some stupid boaters course to use a boat.

The problem with floating the river beside low water conditions is there is no where to get off the river after the natural area, the river goes into Montana

[Faststeel]

Originally Posted by ram crazy

You heard wrong about massive bull elk and would be lucky to find a 300" bull! Good luck though.

i have seen elk taken from this area with excellent scoring horns, ekl grow every year when were you last there...?

[ram crazy]

Originally Posted by Faststeel

i have seen elk taken from this area with excellent scoring horns, ekl grow every year when were you last there...?

Last year! Seen one bull that would be 300". And you will be doing a lot of packing for a small bull

[Skyline]

Only thing guaranteed going into that area is your going to leave with sore feet and cactus in your ass