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Bored and in Calgary, ?
500,000 people or more could fit that description.
Sorry couldn't resist.
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09-13-2016, 05:05 PM
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Bored and in Calgary, ?
500,000 people or more could fit that description.
Sorry couldn't resist.
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Lol
However the joke makes more sense if the Oilers were playing.
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09-13-2016, 05:17 PM
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Sounds like you got a tough sell SDF. If someone is bored should they go for stunted perch or Ashley Madison? 
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09-13-2016, 11:47 PM
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You forget they over populate and stunt. Most people don't want a mess of 5 inch perch. Hence they destroy trout fisheries. A well managed trout lake provide far more enjoyment than a destroyed trout lake. From years of experience. People get tired quickly of tiny perch. |
I often see this claim, but I wonder if it's really true? A lake in a major city stocked with perch and trout would be aggressively fished for both. If there was lots of pressure on the perch, would they really overpopulate? Many lakes with natural populations of perch (Coal Lake or Wizard Lakes south of Edmonton, or Devil's Lake northwest of Edmonton) are so overfished for perch that they are far and few between and can grow quite large. Why would a trout pond near or in a major city be any different? Would Sundance be overrun by perch if ALL Calgarians were allowed to fish there?... I don't think so. I think it is only overrun because the fishing pressure is kept artificially low.
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09-14-2016, 03:05 AM
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Thanks to Sundancefisher. Had a great time fishing tonight at the lake. He isn't kidding when he describes his average catch rate. Never caught so many perch before.
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09-14-2016, 06:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Isopod
I often see this claim, but I wonder if it's really true? A lake in a major city stocked with perch and trout would be aggressively fished for both. If there was lots of pressure on the perch, would they really overpopulate? Many lakes with natural populations of perch (Coal Lake or Wizard Lakes south of Edmonton, or Devil's Lake northwest of Edmonton) are so overfished for perch that they are far and few between and can grow quite large. Why would a trout pond near or in a major city be any different? Would Sundance be overrun by perch if ALL Calgarians were allowed to fish there?... I don't think so. I think it is only overrun because the fishing pressure is kept artificially low.
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Unfortunately it is proven scientific fact. We witnessed that fact first hand as perch plummeted in size from as big as 16 inches with lot between 10-14 inches.
We not only angled during that time but aggressively netted perch. Population skyrocketed without slowing. Started off catching hundreds in traps to 5000 in a single trap.
Rainbow trout also don't easily eat perch. Over about 1 inch they have minimal predation. Aw the perch stunt fewer people fish for them.
What you think may be true unfortunately just ain't so. Perch in any lake absent of natural predators like pike and walleye is a disaster and a major loss to any trout fishery impacted.
Remember that a perch can start off laying 30,000 eggs at 7-8 inches in length. If 5 %!survive to spawn...how many perch are there after 5 years? 10 years? 15 years?
We literally have giant schools feeding on dry flies in the middle of the lake and all around the edges.
Likely the local kid who stupidly dumped in a bucket of 20 perch now feels terrible ..,however that 20 is now between 500,000 and 1,000,000.
Last netting we did only trapped a small area the size of maybe 2 or 3 city house lots and captured 40,000. Of which all but a handful were just 3-6 inches long.
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Thanks to Sundancefisher. Had a great time fishing tonight at the lake. He isn't kidding when he describes his average catch rate. Never caught so many perch before.
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You were a monster perch whisperer.
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09-14-2016, 05:52 PM
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Smells like a perch killing evening.
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09-14-2016, 06:19 PM
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Never realized it was possible to eat 5-6 inch perch. I know for a fact that catching piles of them is addicting. It's how I became hooked at 4 years old!
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09-14-2016, 06:55 PM
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yup i hear ya i fillet them and debone them like regular bread them in seasoned bread crumbs and deep fry them to make perch chips. delicious but alot of work filleting them thought thats the down side
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09-14-2016, 07:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Sundancefisher
Unfortunately it is proven scientific fact. We witnessed that fact first hand as perch plummeted in size from as big as 16 inches with lot between 10-14 inches.
We not only angled during that time but aggressively netted perch. Population skyrocketed without slowing. Rainbow trout also don't easily eat perch. Over about 1 inch they have minimal predation. Perch in any lake absent of natural predators like pike and walleye is a disaster and a major loss to any trout fishery impacted.
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Interesting. I wonder then about the possibility of stocking a pond that is either aerated or deep enough to avoid winterkill with both perch and pike, then set the pike keep limit at zero, and maybe ban using minnows as bait. Might be tricky to maintain the sweet-spot balance of pike and perch, but I wonder if it's been tried?
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09-14-2016, 07:25 PM
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Interesting. I wonder then about the possibility of stocking a pond that is either aerated or deep enough to avoid winterkill with both perch and pike, then set the pike keep limit at zero, and maybe ban using minnows as bait. Might be tricky to maintain the sweet-spot balance of pike and perch, but I wonder if it's been tried?
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Hard to stop poaching of pike.
Finding an equilibrium while present would be difficult.
Experiments that don't destroy public fisheries would be fun.
Cow Lake was done with introducing pike because someone put perch n and destroyed an amazing trout fishery.
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09-14-2016, 07:28 PM
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I want Alberta Agriculture to approve sale of whole uncleaned same day fresh caught perch.
I need to raise money for a special perch purse seine.
We probably have 100,000-200,000 perch dying naturally in this lake every year.
The seagulls are feeding high on the hog.
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09-15-2016, 04:41 PM
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i wish there was a way non residence of sundance can buy like some sort of pass to be able to fish there without a residence bringing you in as a guest and have a check point when you leave so its only perch you are hauling out. i know residence like their privacy and all on a lake community but i like to dream lol
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09-24-2016, 10:51 AM
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Anyone want to eat perch. Stipulation is you have to come help catch them.
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It is not the most intellectual of the species that survives; it is not the strongest that survives; but the species that survives is the one that is able best to adapt and adjust to the changing environment in which it finds itself. Charles Darwin
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09-24-2016, 04:25 PM
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When are you netting again?
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09-24-2016, 04:31 PM
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perch
I would like some but not yet, I haven't eaten the pike I caught a month ago.
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09-24-2016, 10:31 PM
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I'd love to get in on this! I'm from bc and haven't been able to find perch anywhere!! I really enjoy catching pike but there's something about a perch I can't resist.
How do I apply :P
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09-25-2016, 08:50 AM
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When are you netting again?
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Caught so many perch last time that netting is not feasible. What I really need is a fine mesh purse seine.
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It is not the most intellectual of the species that survives; it is not the strongest that survives; but the species that survives is the one that is able best to adapt and adjust to the changing environment in which it finds itself. Charles Darwin
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09-25-2016, 08:58 AM
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I'd love to get in on this! I'm from bc and haven't been able to find perch anywhere!! I really enjoy catching pike but there's something about a perch I can't resist.
How do I apply :P
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How about right after lunch?
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It is not the most intellectual of the species that survives; it is not the strongest that survives; but the species that survives is the one that is able best to adapt and adjust to the changing environment in which it finds itself. Charles Darwin
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09-26-2016, 10:54 AM
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Sent you a PM.
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09-26-2016, 01:02 PM
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PM me. I have one
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09-27-2016, 11:43 AM
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Seine net
Sundance fisherman I have a seine net for your perch. PM me
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09-27-2016, 01:00 PM
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Ooh, pick me. PM coming
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11-06-2016, 05:54 PM
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Wow I wish I lived closer to you I would love to help out. LOL
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