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11-18-2018, 10:26 PM
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Mule or Hybrid
My 16 year old nephew shot this deer on Saturday.
I thoughts antlers looked a little odd but the tail is certainly a mule deer. What do you think?
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11-18-2018, 10:29 PM
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Mulie Antlers too.
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11-18-2018, 10:32 PM
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100% mule. not a chance that its a hybrid. if the ass says mule, then its a mule. antlers have no bearing on whether its a hybrid
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11-18-2018, 10:33 PM
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You cannot...repeat cannot...determine a “hybrid” by antlers. No matter how many try  that’s not how it’s done. DNA and size/shape/location of the tarsal glands on the back legs is how to determine a “hydrid”. Not as common as many would have you believe.
Mule deer all the way, congrats!
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11-18-2018, 10:40 PM
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Thanks Guys.
We took advantage of the youth partner licence
His first year hunting and first deer.
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11-18-2018, 10:43 PM
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Great Pic!
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11-18-2018, 10:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Lefty-Canuck
You cannot...repeat cannot...determine a “hybrid” by antlers. No matter how many try that’s not how it’s done. DNA and size/shape/location of the tarsal glands on the back legs is how to determine a “hydrid”. Not as common as many would have you believe.
Mule deer all the way, congrats!
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RE Tarsals. Please explain/illustrate Whitetail/Mule deer/Hybrid glands placement, size and shape. I'm very interested. I could google it yet would like your rendition.
The brow tines look Whitetail to me.
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11-18-2018, 10:51 PM
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hybrids largely dont exist, as much as everyone seems to think they are lol. nice deer , great memories
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11-18-2018, 10:51 PM
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Now I see the face. Muley all the way. 
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11-18-2018, 10:52 PM
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Absolutely!! Beauty buck your Nephew took!!
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11-18-2018, 10:53 PM
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The brow tines look Whitetail to me.
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Please explain. You can tell a whitetail by his browtines?????
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11-18-2018, 10:59 PM
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Originally Posted by hawken
My 16 year old nephew shot this deer on Saturday.
I thoughts antlers looked a little odd but the tail is certainly a mule deer. What do you think?
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That is a mule deer set of antlers if only going by the picture of the antlers
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11-18-2018, 11:01 PM
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This young fellows buck has prominent brow tines.
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11-18-2018, 11:12 PM
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This young fellows buck has prominent brow tines.
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Yes, a lot of mule deer have brow tines.
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11-18-2018, 11:16 PM
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mule deer grow brows, antlers have literally no bearing on species identification.
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11-19-2018, 05:55 AM
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This young fellows buck has prominent brow tines.
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Sure does, just like a lot of other mule deer.
Congrats to the lucky hunter, great looking Mule deer!
Craig
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11-19-2018, 06:17 AM
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Great buck! Congrats to the young one!
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11-19-2018, 06:23 AM
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It's metatarsel
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11-19-2018, 06:43 AM
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mule deer grow brows, antlers have literally no bearing on species identification.
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I look fir antlers to check gender but look at the tail for species , only way to be certain.
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11-19-2018, 07:02 AM
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Interesting, I shot a mule deer that had 5" brow tines; and he was very much mule deer. Come to think of it, I don't think I've ever shot a mule deer with out brow tines
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11-19-2018, 07:22 AM
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Look at the head to determine if a deer is antlered or antlerless, look at the rear end to determine whether it is a mule deer or a whitetail. I would be surprised if 1 in 100 supposed hybrids are actually hybrids.
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11-19-2018, 08:36 AM
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Nice Deer
Great deer, needed about three more years tho and woulda been an absolute monster. Defs a Mulie. No question.
Congrats on your first deer.
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11-19-2018, 10:13 AM
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Wow great first deer. Congrats to the new hunter! Looks like a mule deer to me. The mule deer I harvested has brow tines too. Not as long though.
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11-19-2018, 10:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Howard Hutchinson
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RE Tarsals. Please explain/illustrate Whitetail/Mule deer/Hybrid glands placement, size and shape. I'm very interested. I could google it yet would like your rendition.
The brow tines look Whitetail to me.
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Just google it, I had it explained to me by a wildlife biologist who handles the camp Wainwright hunts.
Judging a deer by presence or not of brows is not a sound practice.
LC
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Interesting, I shot a mule deer that had 5" brow tines; and he was very much mule deer. Come to think of it, I don't think I've ever shot a mule deer with out brow tines
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I did more digging and was incorrect indeed. Most do have them, simply not as pronounced/long as those of the Whitetail.
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11-19-2018, 12:11 PM
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As mentioned, metatarsal glands are the surest way to determine a whitetail/mule hybrid without doing a dna analysis. Antlers are the worst way to make this judgement.
That's a beautiful buck! Congrats to the hunter.
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Great deer, needed about three more years tho and woulda been an absolute monster. Defs a Mulie. No question.
Congrats on your first deer.
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I tried to ignore and not respond to this comment, not wanting to give it more exposure. However, expressing these type of opinions need to be quelled at times.
Bringing up what you think this deer "needed" is simply unneeded in this discussion, especially when discussing a young hunter's kill.
The hunter will obviously read what you wrote. Do you really think that your opinion will make him feel better about what should be a proud moment?
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11-19-2018, 12:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Lefty-Canuck
Just google it, I had it explained to me by a wildlife biologist who handles the camp Wainwright hunts.
Judging a deer by presence or not of brows is not a sound practice.
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I'll check in to see then. Thank you
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11-19-2018, 12:13 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Lefty-Canuck
Just google it, I had it explained to me by a wildlife biologist who handles the camp Wainwright hunts.
Judging a deer by presence or not of brows is not a sound practice.
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It's not a 'practise' I make, I've only ever had tags for Whitetail.
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Originally Posted by walking buffalo
As mentioned, metatarsal glands are the surest way to determine a whitetail/mule hybrid without doing a dna analysis. Antlers are the worst way to make this judgement.
That's a beautiful buck! Congrats to the hunter.
I tried to ignore and not respond to this comment, not wanting to give it more exposure. However, expressing these type of opinions need to be quelled at times.
Bringing up what you think this deer "needed" is simply unneeded in this discussion, especially when discussing a young hunter's kill.
The hunter will obviously read what you wrote. Do you really think that your opinion will make him feel better about what should be a proud moment?
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+1! I erased what I put twice cuz I didn’t want to bite. Glad you said something,another reason why no one wants to post any pics on here.
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