Ice hut vandals?/

[huntin'fool]

Sorry if this has been posted already, I didn't read through this whole thread...but, this year on Slave, there is some ASSCLOWN travelling around the lake with a nice new snowmachine, going to peoples cabins, huts etc to see if he can grab anything or break in and grab things. He will also come up to you on the ice and talk to you as though you are his best friend and ask you all kinds of questions as to your whereabouts, how long you're staying etc. He will then go back to shore to your truck (because he watched you unload your quad and ride out to your fishing spot) and clean out your truck/trailer of anything of value. Happened just last week. Please, if anyone is approached by a guy like this, don't divulge too much info, and let him know that you are about ready to pack up and leave. That way, he won't risk trying it on you!!

[GeoTrekr]

Booby trapping is definitely not a smart idea (and I thought I remember reading somewhere in the legislation that booby-trapping is specifically cited, and is illegal).

While some may feel a crook deserves what's coming to him, it may not necessarily be a crook trying to open your door. Think about emergencies.

Just to throw some scenarios out there, here's an example. You aren't there, and someone sees someone torching your shack. The fire's spreading quickly, and they want to make sure no one's inside, so they bust down the door... and get the knife.

Same reason you don't tie a string around the trigger of your 12 guage and hook it up to the door knob when you leave your house. You never know what might happen while you're gone (other than a break in by a crook).

I suspect that this is probably the reason booby-trapping is illegal (If I'm wrong on this, I'll be the first to admit it, although it still isn't a good idea. I'm sure I've read some laws on it somewhere though...)

[Morph1]

Originally Posted by GeoTrekr

I suspect that this is probably the reason booby-trapping is illegal (If I'm wrong on this, I'll be the first to admit it, although it still isn't a good idea. I'm sure I've read some laws on it somewhere though...)

According to John Rambo AKA "RAVEN" and his imaginary fellow RCMP friend it is absolutely legal so what do we know ....
I guess when his shack catches on fire and he happens to be inside it, I recommend to stay back and watch the fireworks and flying knives cause there will be a booby trap TNT explosions and everything that his got will be flying at ya

[Versatile]

Originally Posted by Raven

Say what you all want. If a guy invades my personal property (home) and seems like a danger in any way he will be facing the end of a 12 guage. And if a guy invades my personal property anywhere else because my house, there will be consequences. Of course he would have to be stupid enough to ignore the warnings for that to happen. I will fight it in court if it comes to that. Whats the guy going to say? Oh well, I smashed the lock on somebodys shack with signs written all over it "private property do not tamper" and proceeded to go in it to get drunk in the middle of the night and smash the empty's all over, as I took a step in a knife fell somehow and it stabbed into my shoulder. The judge would laugh. I guess its the old arguement of a theif smashes your window to break into your house and steal your belongings, while entering the broken window he slit his wrist and almost bled to death. Technically the house owner is the one at fault, but do you really think its going to fly in court??? Tight lines.

And I'll add....the knife was a dramatic example, altho I do know people who do this I would rather use a shovel...something that would not kill or injure too bad but would get the point across.

You go ahead and fight it in court. But while you in your little dream land the rest of us are in this place called reality you cant just rig stuff up like that. Even with a shovel I mean come on man snap out of your 16 year old head and jump into reality.

Have fun in LALA land "Rambo"

[Marlin07]

I love have a guy asked a question about permanent shacks and all you guys can talk about is "The man" and the legalities of booby trapping. vandalism does happen and it sucks. bottom line, you take a chance leaving your shack out there. Now go watch Goonies and see some real boobie traps

[Versatile]

Some guy publically endorsing setting "booby traps" that can cause bodily harm or worse killing somone really needs to be addressed.

I have to agree with the poster who mentioned somone may be using it in a life or death situation ( like falling through the ice and needing to get warm quick). Last thing he should be worrying about is some butcher knife or shovel flying through the air trying to take him out.

[Freedom55]

I don"t know beans from your rights but I do know that I have gone into other's fishing sheds to get out of the nasty weather twice in my life. Neither was locked and I did no damage other than drill a 6" hole in a slot made for a bigger auger. I got in this mode because of a "ski-dooer's" cabin built near the top of Penask Mtn. in BC.
I was working for the Forest Service while in high school in the early '70's and while fighting a small forest fire, my 4 man crew stayed in a line shack built by a group of local men who used it for snowmobiling in the winter. We carefully read and obeyed the posted rules and spent 5 or 6 nights in it. We left a pile of cordwood for the fellows as a thanks and made sure the fire did not affect the little space. Respect.
This little hut was built on property owned by all the citizens and as such was open to public scrutiny. Same as ice huts. Same as tree stands in the forest. You cannot put up a tree stand and leave it there year round. It is a one time deal. Bag your deer and move on. You cannot claim that spot for life nor can you expect to hog the hot spot every time. You don't anchor your boat over a particular honey-hole and leave it there for the season either. Having said that, I am reminded that locks will only say "stay out" to the honest folks. Not that I would smash your lock to steel your valuables but not all visiters to a lake or forest are outdoorsmen looking for sport. Dave Si

[Dakota369]

Originally Posted by Raven

"Versatile" - Some peoples kids? 1st degree murder? Its your shack, if it is locked with a sign saying private property keep out, and some ******* tries to break the lock and get in...he deserves a butchers knife going through his head. I know several people that do this. Its not a crime if they intrude on your own stuff. You can do what you want with your own property. You arent stabbing the guy for coming in, you've rigged a contraption that protects your property. My guess is your one of the guys that use other peoples shacks whether their locked or not, and are disappointed to see your hopes crushed. Sorry man.



For the guys that say leaving it unlocked is the way to go. Ya right, it will be trashed in a matter of days.

Raven;
You are showing your ignorance of the law. Mantraps are illegal, no if's and or buts......doesn't matter if you put up signage or not....you do this and the next time you show up at your shack you will be arrested and charged.

[allenford]

even he / she is a trespasser, you are still responsible to make any reasonable steps to make sure he/she reasonable safe, it is by law, I know that sounds not good but we have no choice.

For those minors you have to even make noticeable warnings to make sure they are not going to be injured.

[BBJTKLE&FISHINGADVENTURES]

Better idea , put a false floor in the bottom of the ice hut and when they step in it when armed then put wait on the base and fall only like a foot or whatever threw the top of the snow , and scare the crap outta them like they were going threw the ice , that might be interesting .

[allenford]

Originally Posted by BIGBADJOHN

Better idea , put a false floor in the bottom of the ice hut and when they step in it when armed then put wait on the base and fall only like a foot or whatever threw the top of the snow , and scare the crap outta them like they were going threw the ice , that might be interesting .

ha....Id like to see this hanppen...

[Raven]

Originally Posted by BIGBADJOHN

Better idea , put a false floor in the bottom of the ice hut and when they step in it when armed then put wait on the base and fall only like a foot or whatever threw the top of the snow , and scare the crap outta them like they were going threw the ice , that might be interesting .

Oh god no!!!!!! What if some poor innocent lady out walking her dog on the ice gets trapped in a sudden blizzard, and she is forced to warm up? Falling even a foot she can break a hip and hit her head from being unbalanced. You'll be charged instantly with 1st degree murder

Anyways, I never said I do that, I said I know a couple people that do. Their calls not mine. I dont because it would be too much hassel to set it. People who brought up points about emergency's are valid, and I have to be honest never really thought very hard about that. But now that we have got that sorted out, I wont bother to build an ice-hut next year and will just use everybody elses. Thanks for enlightening me on the rules of your property on public land. When/if the owners show up i'll be sure to notify them it's perfectly legal and my right to use their hut's if its on public land.

As for my age, none of you have any idea so drop it. Speculating on my age just shows you cant come up with valid points and resort to childish games. Good on ya's.

[grice]

Originally Posted by Nerdapres'

Had a shack on Eagle lake a few years back. Showed up to pick it up one weekend and someone had burnt it down.

Now I rock an Icecube

I rock a cube as well.

[Versatile]

Originally Posted by Raven

Oh god no!!!!!! What if some poor innocent lady out walking her dog on the ice gets trapped in a sudden blizzard, and she is forced to warm up? Falling even a foot she can break a hip and hit her head from being unbalanced. You'll be charged instantly with 1st degree murder

Once agian your childish attitude gave nothing to this thread

[matathonman]

[QUOTE=Nerdapres';284895]Had a shack on Eagle lake a few years back. Showed up to pick it up one weekend and someone had burnt it down.

Same thing happened at Eagle to me a couple years ago. The end wall, part of the main wall and the roof were burned out of it. The culprits left a big candle burning in the corner shelf and that's the end of the hut. Not before leaving a pile of garbage and beer cans littered inside and stealing the rod holders that were screwed down

[marlin1]

Originally Posted by Shmag

I have a key to my buddies shack, have been using it for about 7yrs now and we have never had a problem. One thing is out of sight and out of mind. They have a solid shutter for the windows where they cover the whole outside of the window and bolts run through the wall and fasten from inside the shack. They also have a good solid metal door from a meat cooler.

As far as break-ins it is no different than your house, vehicle, garage, etc being broke into. It is just something that unfortunately happens.

But i would have to ask the people that do boobie trap. "If say someone had a mishap and were stranded or broke through the ice and needed to break into your shack for survival" I don't think i could boobie trap for that reason alone

One last note is to Nerdapres' if your avatar pic is of you than you are "SMOKIN" haha

ummm thats Kelly Clarkson I don't think its her on the board but she is cute

[Raven]

Originally Posted by Versatile

Once agian your childish attitude gave nothing to this thread

And once again your childish response gave nothing to the thread as well. To prevent the same thing being said about my response, i'll say that what I said above wasn't at all childish and I was just trying to make a point. Looks like it was too over your head to understand it. But your 100% right. If you cant stop people from using your shacks when it's on public land, then I might as well do that. Better than building my own and ending up with a 1st degree murder charge dont ya think? Its unfortunate theres no 'middle line', its either protect your belongings like "Rambo" or just use other peoples since its perfectly legal (if you aren't a fan of ice tents). The theives prevent there from being a middle line because I sure as hell know I'm not building a big ice shack only to have it trashed. I'm not saying i'll trash other peoples by the way, if you assumed that in your 'childish' assumptions.

[Shmag]

Originally Posted by marlin1

ummm thats Kelly Clarkson I don't think its her on the board but she is cute

Woops!!! LMAO

[BushWacked]

was out on Sylvan tonight and seen one of the shacks had been burnt down. damn shame.

[hockeyfish]

Originally Posted by Morph1

Dude lol, how old are you again ??? it is not illegal to set up a trap to kill a human being ??? are you crazy ? , you and your RCMP wanna be - kid kindergarden friend gotta stop watching adult action movies and go to bed early watching Diego or Dora instead of RAMBO ,

I can understand your frustration but the best choice and most legal would be what BBJ suggested, a fricken loud alarm system, I bet the money that it would work like a charm.

Cheers

and isn't your best friend hpf? he seems pretty young.

[Cal]

I think I just got dumber from reading this thread.

[Morph1]

Originally Posted by hockeyfish

and isn't your best friend hpf? he seems pretty young.

I'm sorry and your point is ??? please enlight me if you may

[Versatile]

Originally Posted by Morph1

I'm sorry and your point is ??? please enlight me if you may

LOL love the signature Morph. You should put Raven AKA Rambo beside it lmao.

[Danno]

Originally Posted by Raven

"Versatile" - Some peoples kids? 1st degree murder? Its your shack, if it is locked with a sign saying private property keep out, and some ******* tries to break the lock and get in...he deserves a butchers knife going through his head. I know several people that do this. Its not a crime if they intrude on your own stuff. You can do what you want with your own property. You arent stabbing the guy for coming in, you've rigged a contraption that protects your property. My guess is your one of the guys that use other peoples shacks whether their locked or not, and are disappointed to see your hopes crushed. Sorry man.

For the guys that say leaving it unlocked is the way to go. Ya right, it will be trashed in a matter of days.

Uh, this is most definitely criminal. If something like this were to hurt someone, even a vandal or thief, you'd be charged, and you'd be punished more than the guy who was trying to break in. It is illegal to booby-trap your property.