Quebec Election Results

[CaberTosser]

Here's a fact: Quebec's sucking my wallet dry. Those of us with the gumption to actually work are doing all the heavy lifting while le wankers (what's French for "wanker"?) in Quebec protest for more subsidized everything.

[KCL]

Originally Posted by BeeGuy

Wow, you guys almost sound like the arabs and the hebrews.

Remember, anyone that would support our country breaking up is a traitor.

So if Quebec votes in a separatist party, essentially supporting our country breaking up, that would make them traitors, and people who wanted them out of the country would want to rid themselves of the dirty traitors, well, I guess that would make those people patriotic Canadians.

If some of those people were sick of Ontario and Quebec and wanted to form their own country because of the imbalance of power I suppose you could call them traitors also. Just remember, every new country started somewhere, a lot has changed since 1905.

[BeeGuy]

Originally Posted by KCL

So if Quebec votes in a separatist party, essentially supporting our country breaking up, that would make them traitors, and people who wanted them out of the country would want to rid themselves of the dirty traitors, well, I guess that would make those people patriotic Canadians.

If some of those people were sick of Ontario and Quebec and wanted to form their own country because of the imbalance of power I suppose you could call them traitors also. Just remember, every new country started somewhere, a lot has changed since 1905.

Maybe Harper is building those mega-prisons for all the Albertan traitors.

If you read the facts that were written a couple posts back, you'll see that the vast majority of Quebecers have no interest in separating.

I would guess there are equal numbers of treasonous self-interested individuals in AB and QC.

The ironic part is that you are the same as them.

[BeeGuy]

Originally Posted by CaberTosser

Here's a fact: Quebec's sucking my wallet dry. Those of us with the gumption to actually work are doing all the heavy lifting while le wankers (what's French for "wanker"?) in Quebec protest for more subsidized everything.

Instead of spewing hatred, why don't you outline how Quebec is sucking your wallet dry.

Are you thinking of the equalization payments?

[KCL]

Originally Posted by BeeGuy

Maybe Harper is building those mega-prisons for all the Albertan traitors.

If you read the facts that were written a couple posts back, you'll see that the vast majority of Quebecers have no interest in separating.

I would guess there are equal numbers of treasonous self-interested individuals in AB and QC.

The ironic part is that you are the same as them.

58% is a majority but if my math is right I believe it takes 60.1% to be a vast majority according to most polls, of course that's with an error of +/-2.1%. It's all talk anyway, Quebec will never separate because they only do this to get more handouts and Alberta will never separate because we're not quitters. Sit back with a poutine and relax.

[Hagalaz]

Originally Posted by BeeGuy

Remember, anyone that would support our country breaking up is a traitor.

Well, that's your opinion.

I suppose you would rather Quebec sticks around and continues to milk the rest of the country for money?

[BeeGuy]

Originally Posted by Hagalaz

Well, that's your opinion.

I suppose you would rather Quebec sticks around and continues to milk the rest of the country for money?

Open a book and learn the history of your province.

You'll find that Alberta has often been at the teat of the east.

And yes, I support a unified and strong Canada.

[Hagalaz]

Originally Posted by BeeGuy

Open a book and learn the history of your province.

You'll find that Alberta has often been at the teat of the east.

And yes, I support a unified and strong Canada.

Oh, I don't deny that Alberta has recieved some money from the east. But they have taken far more from us than we have from them.

Quebec hasn't been unified with the rest of Canada for decades, they are the ones that are constantly crying and demanding more & more. Quebec is a stumbling block in the way of your "unified and strong" Canada.

[BeeGuy]

Originally Posted by Hagalaz

Oh, I don't deny that Alberta has recieved some money from the east. But they have taken far more from us than we have from them.

Quebec hasn't been unified with the rest of Canada for decades, they are the ones that are constantly crying and demanding more & more. Quebec is a stumbling block in the way of your "unified and strong" Canada.

You mean, when Alberta needed it, they got it, and when other provinces needed it, they got it. I guess the system works then.

Alberta doesn't exactly have the most diverse economy. Another swing in commodity prices and reduced demand would quickly change things.

Then what? Are all the bellyachers going to be protesting in the streets opposing federal funds being transferred to Alberta?

When I lived in the east I can not recall anyone ever moaning about how all their hard earned money was going to Alberta.

It's kind of sad now that Alberta has experienced a generous period of growth that so many (not all) have lost so much humility.

There are glaring issues in several of our provinces and within the Fed, however, taking an US vs THEM attitude only reduces the conversation to the lowest possible level. Take a look at other places in the world that deal with conflict in that manner.

We berate those places daily on this forum, yet we are so quick and so proud to congratulate ourselves for the same mentality.

[rugatika]

Quebec doesn't need the money for crying out loud. They are a have province with a spending problem. Much like Alberta is right now, just on a larger scale of spending. $7 daycare, etc etc. Look at their lazy butt Univ students that went berzerk over a paltry increase in tuition when they already have tuition rates LOWER than Alberta...the province that subsidizes their lower tuition rates.

And yes, I am getting sick of busting my butt so a bunch of lazy socialists (and I include all welfare pigs in that group...not just quebec, but quebec is a shining example) can live off of me. Be it through equalization payments or incredibly high tax rates. Having half of your income/labour go to one form of government or another is bordering on slavery. (note: I fully support temporary social assistance for those truly in need...blah blah blah...as if I need to keep saying that)

Getting rid of OR cutting off quebec wouldn't solve all of Canada's money problems as it relates to welfare bums but it sure would help. I could care less if quebec stays or goes...just get off the teat.

And calling anyone a traitor for wanting to get rid of quebec is like calling a doctor that uses chemo on cancer a murderer. Or a parent that kicks their 45 year old out of the house a child abuser.

[silverdoctor]

Originally Posted by max1

The hardcore separatist will dieoff (die already). I don't understand this nasty hatred for us. Have you ever visited Quebec? We aren't azz*oles (well at least 58% of us).

unfortunately, in the opinion of many Canadians, Quebec has been a "we deserve" province for too long and claims to be getting the short end of the stick. I don't know if the majority of Quebec knows what the stick is anymore.

There are many good people in Quebec, but it also stands for the rest of Canada. It many not be the Quebeckers fault, you've had alot of bad political nonsense over the decades but the only playing card you have anymore is the size of your population.

Canada views Quebec like a spoiled child, takes a tantrum when it doesn't get it's way. Maybe you should read some of your own history... It's a very interesting history but trying to make it the do all and end all for the rest of Canada doesn't fly this day in age.

I've always known that Quebec didn't want to separate, all one need do is read the history of the province and read up on the different referendums they tried to hold. Quebec wants to be sovereign - akin to a 40 year old child living at home with no job but wants to do as they please on the parents dime. Quebec wants full control of their own destiny - as well as the power of constitutional veto - but they want to remain a part of Canada, they want to use our currency and they still want the help.

When you're carrying a 1/4 trillion in debt with no way to pay for it and crying for help - it's time to take a hard look at what it wrong...

Does that about sum it up?

[Rocky7]

Alberta has received squat "from the East".

[silverdoctor]

Originally Posted by Rocky7

Alberta has received squat "from the East".

Rocky, open a history book.

[rugatika]

Originally Posted by silverdoctor

Rocky, open a history book.

Yeah, remember that time Trudeau gave us the finger.

[silverdoctor]

Originally Posted by rugatika

Yeah, remember that time Trudeau gave us the finger.

Is that all you remember? Alberta's history is fascinating...

Read up on the history of suncor and syncrude, both did so much for Alberta and they were outside companies. Petro-canada was set up in 1974 by the feds, given buckets of money - but yet, the east hasn't done anything for Alberta? Alberta didn't have any mineral rights til 1930, the feds owned it but they transferred those rights to Alberta.

The earliest pioneers to figure out the separation process were an American and a Quebecker.

You think Alberta is the only province that got screwed over by the feds?

Yep - "Let the Eastern b'tards freeze in the dark".

[Big Daddy Badger]

Originally Posted by Lefty-Canuck

As much as we want them gone and Quebec says they want to go....it will never happen.

LC

Thats right.
The power Quebec wields is based upon the threat of separation.
They'd lose all of it if they ever followed through.
The best way to shut em up is to open the door and invite them to go for it... leaving behind all of their federal clout, transfer payments etc etc that they now take for granted.

The province elected a separatist government.
A minority one but that's good enough.

In that spirit... let them keep a portion of lands that is representative of the percentage of separatist votes.... roughly 1/3rd of the province.
Based upon that new model we should then send all the extraneous federal representatives home, take control of Ruperts land, build Customs Stations at all roads between Quebec and the rest of Canada, close the federal offices except an English speaking embassy in Montreal, stop funding them and let them experience a "trail separation" until the next provincial election.

Sure it would be expensive and unpopular but my guess is that if we had the nuts to do that their provincial government would fold in a fortnight, the separatists would be encouraged to seek asylum elsewhere and we'd be rid of a group of people that stomp their feet and threaten to hold their breath till they get what they want every few years.

Perhaps they'd take the hint if we started out with something like repealing the Official Languages Act.
After all...a Canada without Quebec doesn't really need bilingual labelling or duel language service unless it is Mandarin... does it?

[Big Daddy Badger]

Originally Posted by Rocky7

Alberta has received squat "from the East".

Remember that thing called.... a railroad?

That's just one example...and I know it all seems like ancient history now but there was a time when the west and Alberta had nothing and it was folks down east that kicked in to help.
When Cod was King....a lot of money from places like Nova Scotia helped us out during the depression and at other times.

The shoe is on the other foot now but we shouldn't write off the whole of Eastern Canada over a few brats in Quebec.

[pikergolf]

http://www.cbc.ca/player/Shows/ID/2275947057/
Someone just missed her, watch the bullet hole appear on the screen to her right at about the three second mark. Can hear a faint gun shot.

[Lefty-Canuck]

Originally Posted by pikergolf

http://www.cbc.ca/player/Shows/ID/2275947057/
Someone just missed her, watch the bullet hole appear on the screen to her right at about the three second mark. Can hear a faint gun shot.

I thight this was a joke....but I watched the clip and you are right....there is a noise and a black hole appears in the screen behind her.

LC

[rugatika]

Originally Posted by silverdoctor

Is that all you remember? Alberta's history is fascinating...

Read up on the history of suncor and syncrude, both did so much for Alberta and they were outside companies. Petro-canada was set up in 1974 by the feds, given buckets of money - but yet, the east hasn't done anything for Alberta? Alberta didn't have any mineral rights til 1930, the feds owned it but they transferred those rights to Alberta.

The earliest pioneers to figure out the separation process were an American and a Quebecker.

You think Alberta is the only province that got screwed over by the feds?

Yep - "Let the Eastern b'tards freeze in the dark".

So what you're saying is that PetroCan and the feds set up shop in Alberta as a favor and solely for the benefit of Alberta??? Do you think I just fell off the turnip truck? Give me a break!!

Please tell me that you were trying to pull the wool over my eyes and didn't actually believe this yourself.


Care to elaborate on why AB, BC, Man and SK were given Nat resource rights in 1930? It was to bring them in line with rights all the other provinces had and that were withheld from the prairie provinces when they came into confederation. So, don't try and make out like the feds were doing us some kind of favor.


Sounds like you better read up on your history AND put some effort into understanding it as well.

[Okotokian]

Originally Posted by max1

Lets get some facts straight.

31.9% voted for the PQ (Separatist)

31.2% voted for the PLQ (Extortionist. "Give us more $ or the separatists will win")
27.1% voted for the CAQ (Separatist once the economy is better)

There, fixed it for you.

We actually respect the blatant separatists. At least they are principled and up-front. We have less respect for the rest of Quebec that just lines up at the trough, happily (or shamelessly) accepts/demands payments from the ROC, and holds the threat of a PQ government and separation as a bargaining chip to get more.

You don't have one party that says "We are proud and committed to be Canadians and will pull our own weight in Confederation". Never have had, never will. Well not in our lifetime anyway.

[Redfrog]

"I've always known that Quebec didn't want to separate, all one need do is read the history of the province and read up on the different referendums they tried to hold. Quebec wants to be sovereign - akin to a 40 year old child living at home with no job but wants to do as they please on the parents dime. Quebec wants full control of their own destiny - as well as the power of constitutional veto - but they want to remain a part of Canada, they want to use our currency and they still want the help. "

Even being raised in the eastcoast fog, he comes up with such clarity.

Pretty much nailed it.

A unified Canada is a pipe dream. There will always be the bickering.

[Classic_Cool]

Seems the anti-Quebec sentiment isn't confined to a few cranky fellas on this forum

We're probably better dressed though.

[silverdoctor]

Originally Posted by rugatika

So what you're saying is that PetroCan and the feds set up shop in Alberta as a favor and solely for the benefit of Alberta??? Do you think I just fell off the turnip truck? Give me a break!!

Please tell me that you were trying to pull the wool over my eyes and didn't actually believe this yourself.

No, that's not what i'm saying at all...

I'm saying that if you go through alberta's history, Alberta got so much help from outsiders.

If you want to talk about provinces being screwed over, go through Newfoundlands history. The feds took and took what they could, our politicians sold the province off piece by piece. Right now we have a foreign body controlling what countries get quotas of fish stocks. Just wonderful that is, the cod is finally making a bit of a comeback but spain gets their quota increased.

Newfoundland is the same way on the oil side of things. They couldn't afford to go after the oil themselves, they had foreign investors. Hence the term "royalties".

[Okotokian]

Originally Posted by Classic_Cool

We're probably better dressed though.

Who is "we"? Quebecois are generally pretty well dressed and fed.

[rugatika]

Originally Posted by silverdoctor

No, that's not what i'm saying at all...

I'm saying that if you go through alberta's history, Alberta got so much help from outsiders.

If you want to talk about provinces being screwed over, go through Newfoundlands history. The feds took and took what they could, our politicians sold the province off piece by piece. Right now we have a foreign body controlling what countries get quotas of fish stocks. Just wonderful that is, the cod is finally making a bit of a comeback but spain gets their quota increased.

Newfoundland is the same way on the oil side of things. They couldn't afford to go after the oil themselves, they had foreign investors. Hence the term "royalties".

Sounds like you need a dictionary son. "Help" and "investment" are two different animals.

[hal53]

Originally Posted by silverdoctor

No, that's not what i'm saying at all...

I'm saying that if you go through alberta's history, Alberta got so much help from outsiders.

If you want to talk about provinces being screwed over, go through Newfoundlands history. The feds took and took what they could, our politicians sold the province off piece by piece. Right now we have a foreign body controlling what countries get quotas of fish stocks. Just wonderful that is, the cod is finally making a bit of a comeback but spain gets their quota increased.

Newfoundland is the same way on the oil side of things. They couldn't afford to go after the oil themselves, they had foreign investors. Hence the term "royalties".

Hence the term "Royalties?"... really??????...............

[thirty-30]

Originally Posted by Lefty-Canuck

I thight this was a joke....but I watched the clip and you are right....there is a noise and a black hole appears in the screen behind her.

LC

Holy smokes, you are quite right.

Wonder why we haven't heard about THAT, despite it being that obvious..

[fitzy]

Originally Posted by pesky672

Remember that thing called.... a railroad?

That's just one example...and I know it all seems like ancient history now but there was a time when the west and Alberta had nothing and it was folks down east that kicked in to help.
When Cod was King....a lot of money from places like Nova Scotia helped us out during the depression and at other times.

The shoe is on the other foot now but we shouldn't write off the whole of Eastern Canada over a few brats in Quebec.

Well said Pesky

[rugatika]

Originally Posted by pesky672

Remember that thing called.... a railroad?

That's just one example...and I know it all seems like ancient history now but there was a time when the west and Alberta had nothing and it was folks down east that kicked in to help.
When Cod was King....a lot of money from places like Nova Scotia helped us out during the depression and at other times.

The shoe is on the other foot now but we shouldn't write off the whole of Eastern Canada over a few brats in Quebec.

Actually. BC demanded the completion of a continental railroad as a condition of confederation. There were other interests for it too, but helping ABwasn't at the top of the list, main evidence being that the railroad, as you know was completed 20 years BEFORE AB became a province.