Quebec Election Results

[markg]

I think you fellas have hit the nail on the head regarding the future of Quebec. You can only cry wolf so long before your not taken seriously. If you take the threat of seperation away then you take the power away. Priminister Harper took the power away winning a majority without Quebec. I think Canadian politics are goning to be getting very interesting in the next few years. I think the CBC is going to have a stroke though, how will they be able to propagandize without the obligatory pandering to Quebec socialist?

[Stinky Buffalo]

Originally Posted by thirty-30

Holy smokes, you are quite right.

Wonder why we haven't heard about THAT, despite it being that obvious..

Interesting... Could also be a pixel going dead on their projector...

Something is very strange about this all.

[Rhino81]

Originally Posted by bezner

Let's hope they want to seperate....by by queeerbec

If they seperated, what would we do with all our money.....??

[Big Daddy Badger]

Originally Posted by Rhino81

If they seperated, what would we do with all our money.....??

Police the border and build refugee camps.

[Rhino81]

Originally Posted by Rocky7

Alberta has received squat "from the East".

X10. Whatever they have given us, we would hand back over proudly if they would just take there attitude and funky language and seperate already

[Rhino81]

Originally Posted by pesky672

Police the border and build refugee camps.

thats a good start.

[Hagalaz]

Originally Posted by Redfrog

A unified Canada is a pipe dream. There will always be the bickering.

Agreed.

And Ottawa is making sure that Canada will never be unified by giving Quebec special treatment all the time.

[Puma]

Originally Posted by max1

Lets get some facts straight.

31.9% voted for the PQ

31.2% voted for the PLQ (federalist)

27.1% voted for the CAQ (statu quo)

Which mean 58% are not interested in seperation.

Last poll for sovereignty: 28% are in favor.

So, alot of you bash quebecers without knowing the complex history of this province. People are getting tired of the subject.

The reasons the PLQ losts:

1) The CAQ which took some votes (tired of the same)
2) Corruption charges, bad press, student crysis, credibility...

There are some fundamental problems here,

40% of people don't effectively pay tax.

36% work in the public domain.

PQ gets most votes from low income and public sector (read: unions) workers.

Workers in the private sector in Quebec are excellent. In fact, it's what keeps thing going (for how long?).

There is no question the PQ is bad for Quebec because nothing will get fixed and most probably more will get #@$%@ed up. However, don't bash all quebecers. We are as sick as the rest of Canada.

The hardcore separatist will dieoff (die already). I don't understand this nasty hatred for us. Have you ever visited Quebec? We aren't azz*oles (well at least 58% of us).

Good job in your reply, I was quite disapointed at alot of the other posts. These guys need to grow up. Quebec leaving, would be bad for all of Canada.
I suspect most dont understand the economics, politics or have even been to Quebec.
Puma

[BeeGuy]

Originally Posted by Rocky7

Alberta has received squat "from the East".

You have absolutely no committment to reality do you?

Truth? Facts? Bah!

I believe what I want.

[Smokey]

Be easy on Rocky, this forum needs poop disturber. I like that he believes in relative reality.

[Redfrog]

"Quebec leaving, would be bad for all of Canada."

How so? I'm all growed up and I'd like to here your explanation for the insult and this statement.

[Hagalaz]

Originally Posted by Puma

Quebec leaving, would be bad for all of Canada.

Really? And why is that?

No more forced bilingualism, Quebec-bound transfer payments, and an end to the special treatment they get.

Tell me, how would it be bad for all of Canada?

[HyperMOA]

Originally Posted by Puma

Good job in your reply, I was quite disapointed at alot of the other posts. These guys need to grow up. Quebec leaving, would be bad for all of Canada.
I suspect most dont understand the economics, politics or have even been to Quebec.
Puma

Well speaking as an economics perspective, when a corporation announces layoffs, getting rid of poorly performing departments or sectors, freeing up cash flow, or many other things, stock prices generally rise. I won't flat out disagree with you, but I definitely don't see how economically, Canada would be effected negatively? Maybe our dollar would take a small dip fr a very short period. Seperatists would still have mortgages to pay off.

Or are you posting from within Quebec, because I could definitely see some negative effects there

[silverdoctor]

Originally Posted by rugatika

Sounds like you need a dictionary son. "Help" and "investment" are two different animals.

I need a dictionary? Define investment for me...

You want to start a business, you maximize your means through loans and such - lets say you come up with $100k on your own but you need $250K to get started with tools, equipment, rent, employees etc.

You need investors to "HELP" you start up so you can get your business off the ground. Dictionary? please.

It's typical for people to think of help as a free handout. Say you hit a rough patch in life, you borrow $10K from your parents to get you through - they are willing to help. I know many parents that would give the money and not expect it back but others need it back, so wouldn't you say that's an investment in their kid? And it's still help?


Where would syncrude or suncor be without help from outsiders? Help in the form of investments? How else would they come up with the capital? Investors took a risk early on with both companies - pay off or crater, it's win or lose.

[HyperMOA]

Originally Posted by silverdoctor

I need a dictionary? Define investment for me...

You want to start a business, you maximize your means through loans and such - lets say you come up with $100k on your own but you need $250K to get started with tools, equipment, rent, employees etc.

You need investors to "HELP" you start up so you can get your business off the ground. Dictionary? please.

It's typical for people to think of help as a free handout. Say you hit a rough patch in life, you borrow $10K from your parents to get you through - they are willing to help. I know many parents that would give the money and not expect it back but others need it back, so wouldn't you say that's an investment in their kid? And it's still help?


Where would syncrude or suncor be without help from outsiders? Help in the form of investments? How else would they come up with the capital? Investors took a risk early on with both companies - pay off or crater, it's win or lose.

The difference between "help" and "investment" is that you paid your parents back $10k. If they invested in you they would've asked for $10k, plus 22% annualized interest until the balance was paid with a 2.7% royalty for the following 50 years. That is the difference between help and investing my friend.

[silverdoctor]

May as well beat your head against the wall with this bunch... It's still helping, slice it and dice it any way you want.


Alberta still gets $5 billion a year in transfer payments from the federal government for health care and such.

[hal53]

Originally Posted by silverdoctor

May as well beat your head against the wall with this bunch... It's still helping, slice it and dice it any way you want.


Alberta still gets $5 billion a year in transfer payments from the federal government for health care and such.

...and we send 18 billion out, so that;s a good deal???...how??????
Talk about beating your head against the wall.......SHEESH!!!!!!!!

[silverdoctor]

Originally Posted by hal53

...and we send 18 billion out, so that;s a good deal???...how??????
Talk about beating your head against the wall.......SHEESH!!!!!!!!

It's called taxes! Everybody pays them - all the taxes collected from all across the country go into a general revenue pool. That's where equalization and transfer payments come from.

Got a problem paying taxes, take it up with the government.

I can't believe how many Albertans think they cut a check to Quebec and the other have-nots ever year. That's not the way it works.

[hal53]

Originally Posted by silverdoctor

It's called taxes! Everybody pays them - all the taxes collected from all across the country go into a general revenue pool. That's where equalization and transfer payments come from.

Got a problem paying taxes, take it up with the government.

I can't believe how many Albertans think they cut a check to Quebec and the other have-nots ever year. That's not the way it works.

^^^^^ Really???/!!!!...so a province of 3 million people pays 15 Billion more dollars a year in taxes than Quebec and say.. Ontario???...oh right "Hence the Royalties".....

[silverdoctor]

Originally Posted by hal53

^^^^^ Really???/!!!!...so a province of 3 million people pays 15 Billion more dollars a year in taxes than Quebec and say.. Ontario???...oh right "Hence the Royalties".....

Come again? In general revenue per province - Quebec and Ontario pay more into the pool than Alberta does. That's a fact. And actually Ontario pays more than double into the pot through general tax revenues than Alberta does.

They get more back - much more. That should upset you more.

[silverdoctor]

and btw, the population of Alberta is pushing 4 million now, not 3

[hal53]

Originally Posted by silverdoctor

Come again? In general revenue per province - Quebec and Ontario pay more into the pool than Alberta does. That's a fact. And actually Ontario pays more than double into the pot through general tax revenues than Alberta does.

They get more back - much more. That should upset you more.

so they pay double, yet they are now a "have not" province, methinks there is something wrong with the system, don't you???...waitaminit!...don't answer that, I am done here, tired of you making stuff up as you go along to justify your whiz-bang theories......

[rugatika]

Originally Posted by silverdoctor

and btw, the population of Alberta is pushing 4 million now, not 3

Correct.

[rugatika]

Originally Posted by hal53

...and we send 18 billion out, so that;s a good deal???...how??????
Talk about beating your head against the wall.......SHEESH!!!!!!!!

That's Alberta "INVESTING" in quebec.

[RumRugby]

I don't think they are allowed to leave Canada, it would be unconstitutional.
Clarity Act - 2000
http://laws.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/C-31.8/FullText.html

IMO it wouldn't be good if Quebec left, what would everyone else in the country have to complain about??

I'm not surprised they changed government, specially with all the corruption allegations (reality?), but they won't be leaving Canada any time soon.

It's too bad it came to the point where someone opened fire, what is this world coming to?

[silverdoctor]

Let me put this into pure and simple economics 101.

You have a job - you pay federal and provincial income taxes.
You buy a vehicle - you pay taxes on it.
You buy gas - you pay taxes on that fuel.
you buy cigarettes or booze - you pay taxes on that.
You buy anything in the stores - you pay GST.
There's hundreds of other things that are taxed, but you get the picture.
The higher the population, the more people to buy things, the more taxes go into the kitty.

Now, what happens to all those taxes you ask? They go into the federal governments bank account and they are called general revenues.

Make sense yet?

Now, out of that money, the federal government starts paying back to the provinces. Equalization payments come out of the general revenue. So do transfer payments for health care, infrastructure revenues, whatever. Etc, etc, etc.

That's simple economics.

[hal53]

^^^^ over to you Rug....

[silverdoctor]

Originally Posted by RumRugby

I don't think they are allowed to leave Canada, it would be unconstitutional.
Clarity Act - 2000
http://laws.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/C-31.8/FullText.html

IMO it wouldn't be good if Quebec left, what would everyone else in the country have to complain about??

I'm not surprised they changed government, specially with all the corruption allegations (reality?), but they won't be leaving Canada any time soon.

It's too bad it came to the point where someone opened fire, what is this world coming to?

That's kind of a grey area. Canada didn't have a constitution til 1982, up til then we had the British North America Act. Quebec didn't sign the constitution act in '82 and they were the only ones not to do so...

[fargineyesore]

Originally Posted by max1

Lets get some facts straight.

31.9% voted for the PQ

31.2% voted for the PLQ (federalist)

27.1% voted for the CAQ (statu quo)

Which mean 58% are not interested in seperation.

Last poll for sovereignty: 28% are in favor.

So, alot of you bash quebecers without knowing the complex history of this province. People are getting tired of the subject.

The reasons the PLQ losts:

1) The CAQ which took some votes (tired of the same)
2) Corruption charges, bad press, student crysis, credibility...

There are some fundamental problems here,

40% of people don't effectively pay tax.

36% work in the public domain.

PQ gets most votes from low income and public sector (read: unions) workers.

Workers in the private sector in Quebec are excellent. In fact, it's what keeps thing going (for how long?).

There is no question the PQ is bad for Quebec because nothing will get fixed and most probably more will get #@$%@ed up. However, don't bash all quebecers. We are as sick as the rest of Canada.

The hardcore separatist will dieoff (die already). I don't understand this nasty hatred for us. Have you ever visited Quebec? We aren't azz*oles (well at least 58% of us).

Its nice to hear from you. We don't hear from enough Quebecers that think like you out here unfortunately, which is probably the same out there with Albertans views. I would like to take my family to Quebec for a visit, as they haven't been there yet. I was when a pre-teenager, but we only drove through on our way to the maritimes. I know many people that have been there and they had great things to say about it. The problem is that I don't, nor does my family, speak French. I have spoke to more than a few people who've been there that were treated quite poorly when it was found out they don't speak French. I'm not saying that will happen frequently, but from what I've heard from people that have had this experience, I'm not sure I want to subject my family to this. This is unfortunate because Quebec is from what I've seen and been told, a beautiful place. I do believe that, as is usually the case, the a**hole politicians are the ones that are the problem, but we don't hear from the likes of you much here. I suppose that can go two ways. It would be nice if those like yourself drowned out the separatists and such that are giving Quebec a bad name. But regardless of who supports separation or not, we are getting sick of the abnormal amount of money that is going into the province to pay for programs we can't afford here. That's something we feel needs to change. We are currently being governed by a spend-happy government with no regard for how we're going to pay for things, (I didn't vote for it by the way) so we, at this time, can't really look down on other provinces spending (except that we don't receive much in the way of transfer payments here, so it's doubly damaging to our economy to be spending like we are here). I'd like nothing better than there to be no hard feelings between the two provinces, but unless things change, it's not going to change. The people like yourself need to be heard more.

[rugatika]

Originally Posted by silverdoctor

Let me put this into pure and simple economics 101.

You have a job - you pay federal and provincial income taxes.
You buy a vehicle - you pay taxes on it.
You buy gas - you pay taxes on that fuel.
you buy cigarettes or booze - you pay taxes on that.
You buy anything in the stores - you pay GST.
There's hundreds of other things that are taxed, but you get the picture.
The higher the population, the more people to buy things, the more taxes go into the kitty.

Now, what happens to all those taxes you ask? They go into the federal governments bank account and they are called general revenues.

Make sense yet?

Now, out of that money, the federal government starts paying back to the provinces. Equalization payments come out of the general revenue. So do transfer payments for health care, infrastructure revenues, whatever. Etc, etc, etc.

That's simple economics.

I have to ask. Did you ever take Economics 101??