Combo Deer/Elk rifle

Marlin xl7 · #1 04-23-2010, 05:22 PM

What would you guys consider to be the perfect elk and deer rifle for shooting out to say, 500 yards?

whitetailhntr · #2 04-23-2010, 05:29 PM

anything from.270and up..... Think we have covered this before??

greylynx · #3 04-23-2010, 06:14 PM

.338 win mag

fordtruckin · #4 04-23-2010, 06:23 PM

7mm-08, 25.06, .308, 30.06, .270, .270wsm, .7mm wsm, .300 wsm, 6.5x55swede....do you get the picture? way to many to say what is the best...its all personal pref.

Pathfinder76 · #5 04-23-2010, 06:24 PM

This and many many others.

leo · #6 04-23-2010, 07:19 PM

Nice pictures chuck

. What kinda smoke pole is in the photo's

Pathfinder76 · #7 04-23-2010, 07:57 PM

Custom Model 70 280 AI.

leo · #8 04-24-2010, 07:17 AM

Pretty darn obvious that cartridge is an effective all around chambering, Hard to argue with proven success. Again nice pic's.

Marlin xl7 · #9 04-24-2010, 08:07 AM

Thanks for all the replys guys, I've just been looking for a good all around rifle I can carry up in the hills, and this has helped out a lot, thanks.

Rantastic · #10 04-24-2010, 10:01 PM

+1 for pretty much any cartridge made in .270 cal and up

DanJ · #11 04-24-2010, 10:25 PM

It has seemed apparent to me, a non-expert who nevertheless reads everything he can about cartridge selection, that the hunting cartridge was perfected more than 100 years ago with the .30-06. Everything since then has been either wildcat attempts to gild the lily by lowering costs for the military market, to soften recoil for smaller-statured shooters like myself, or to just give us new rifles to buy (belted magnums come to mind). Every big game caliber ends up being compared to the .30-06, which has apparently never, ever failed to kill anything that $#!ts in the Canadian woods. The animals have not evolved bullet resistant fur and they are not going to.

That's my humble opinion; not everyone will agree. There's lots of smarter and more experienced guys who may see things differently and of course anecdotal evidence can always be produced to support any position. I am convinced, though, that NO ONE would dispute .30-06 would be an excellent choice for deer / elk.

Me? I shoot a .270 Winchester for deer, by a happy fluke. Friend had one he wanted to sell, I bought it and like it. If I ever go elk or moose hunting, I'm not gonna buy a new rifle, yet I know every well-shot animal will fall down and die. If my friend had happened to sell me a .280 or .308 same ending, probably. Once you get into that class rifle, I just don't think there's all that much difference unless you like to add unnecessarily heavy recoil and bigger bangs. The .30-06, though, unless like me you'd rather something a little lighter and easier to shoot, will never be a mistake.

DanJ · #12 04-24-2010, 10:45 PM

It has seemed apparent to me, a non-expert who nevertheless reads everything he can about cartridge selection, that the hunting cartridge was perfected more than 100 years ago with the .30-06. Everything since then has been either wildcat attempts to gild the lily by lowering costs for the military market, to soften recoil for smaller-statured shooters like myself, or to just give us new rifles to buy (belted magnums come to mind). Every big game caliber ends up being compared to the .30-06, which has apparently never, ever failed to kill anything that $#!ts in the Canadian woods. The animals have not evolved bullet resistant fur and they are not going to.

That's my humble opinion; not everyone will agree. There's lots of smarter and more experienced guys who may see things differently and of course anecdotal evidence can always be produced to support any position. I am convinced, though, that NO ONE would dispute .30-06 would be an excellent choice for deer / elk.

Me? I shoot a .270 Winchester for deer, by a happy fluke. Friend had one he wanted to sell, I bought it and like it. If I ever go elk or moose hunting, I'm not gonna buy a new rifle, yet I know every well-shot animal will fall down and die. If my friend had happened to sell me a .280 or .308 same ending, probably. Once you get into that class rifle, I just don't think there's all that much difference unless you like to add unnecessarily heavy recoil and bigger bangs. The .30-06, though, unless like me you'd rather something a little lighter and easier to shoot, will never be a mistake.

trooper · #13 04-25-2010, 08:24 AM

I've always been a .30 cal man I strayed once and built a 280 but then shook my head and whent back to the 30 cal. I used a 7.62 NATO in the forces and the cartridge never failed me. However there are limitations to a 30 cal like the 308. The cartridge does have a maximum range with certain weights of ammo. You need to pay serious attention to bullet energy and then go from there. The powers that be have determined that you need a minimum of 1000 footpounds to "humanely" kill a whitetail sized animal and 1500 ftlbs to kill a animal the size of an elk or moose. Yes, there will be others who disagree and I respect that, everyone is entitled to their opinion, but this is mine.

flint · #14 04-25-2010, 08:26 AM

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Originally Posted by 270 win

What would you guys consider to be the perfect elk and deer rifle for shooting out to say, 500 yards?

300 weatherby

whitetail Junkie · #15 04-25-2010, 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by 270 win

What would you guys consider to be the perfect elk and deer rifle for shooting out to say, 500 yards?

300 Weatherby

jaybull · #16 04-25-2010, 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by whitetail Junkie

300 Weatherby

Totally unnecessary! To 500 yards you need a gun you can shoot without flinching, that has lots of hunting bullets and weights available, factory or reloading, light enough to carry, with a good barrel life so you can shoot it lots. Are you trying to convince your self 270win that you need a bigger gun than your 270? Cuz this is like your other thread. Learn how to walk, before you run. Or buy a 300 weatherby and feel like a bad azz, develop a flinch, shoot out your barrel quick, and pay insane amounts of cash for ammo. Your choice. More deer and elk have been shot by 270 and 30.06 than any other calibers. Just remember that.

elkhunter11 · #17 04-25-2010, 12:59 PM

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To 500 yards you need a gun you can shoot without flinching, that has lots of hunting bullets and weights available,

The flinching part is correct,but some people can shoot the 300wby,and larger cartridges without flinching.I myself used two unbraked 300RUM rifles that I shot many sub 1/2moa groups with.

As far as bullet weights go,I use one bullet weight per gun to do all of my big game hunting.By using only one bullet,I need only use one sight in,and learn one trajectory and wind drift,which I see as an advantage.

At this point,I use only the 280AI,and I could be just as happy with a 7mmremmag or similar cartridge for hunting deer and elk.

#18 04-25-2010, 01:11 PM

Combination gun...

30-06 / 12 ga slug ---- IE Valmet 412S

300 Win mag / 12 ga would be better medicine from heavy bush to ...

elkhunter11 · #19 04-25-2010, 01:13 PM

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Combination gun...

30-06 / 12 ga slug ---- IE Valmet 412S

300 Win mag / 12 ga would be better medicine from heavy bush to .

Actually the original OP specified "combo rifle" not combo gun.

whitetail Junkie · #20 04-25-2010, 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by jaybull

Totally unnecessary! To 500 yards you need a gun you can shoot without flinching, that has lots of hunting bullets and weights available, factory or reloading, light enough to carry, with a good barrel life so you can shoot it lots. Are you trying to convince your self 270win that you need a bigger gun than your 270? Cuz this is like your other thread. Learn how to walk, before you run. Or buy a 300 weatherby and feel like a bad azz, develop a flinch, shoot out your barrel quick, and pay insane amounts of cash for ammo. Your choice. More deer and elk have been shot by 270 and 30.06 than any other calibers. Just remember that.

I shot both my whitetail last fall with my 300 wby,The alberta buck was stretched out @ 250 yards& the sask buck was broadside @ 450 when I hit him the first shot,the second shot hit him when he was running.Flinching HAAA,listen to elkhunter11,you dont know what your talking about.

whitetail Junkie · #21 04-25-2010, 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by 270 win

What would you guys consider to be the perfect elk and deer rifle for shooting out to say, 500 yards?

My 300 weatherby was my uncle's for many years before he died,and he had over 40 pair's of elk tusks in a old coffee tin.all those elk where shot with the 300 wby,and if muledeer had tusks he would have had over 60 pairs of them aswell!

Marlin xl7 · #22 04-25-2010, 01:34 PM

All I am looking to do here is find a rifle I can always go to for the rest of my life, regardless of what I may be hunting. I don't want one of those powder guzzling magnums, I just want something that will always be ready. I'm not saying the 270 isn't, but i would rather have a little more knock down power at farther ranges.

elkhunter11 · #23 04-25-2010, 01:34 PM

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My 300 weatherby was my uncle's for many years before he died,and he had over 40 pair's of elk tusks in a old coffee tin.all those elk where shot with the 300 wby,and if muledeer had tusks he would have had over 60 pairs of them aswell!

So how many pair do you think he would have had if he had used a 30-06 or 7mmremmag instead of the 300WBY?

elkhunter11 · #24 04-25-2010, 01:39 PM

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I don't want one of those powder guzzling magnums,

So just how much more powder do you suppose that a 300wsm uses compared to a 30-06?

Marlin xl7 · #25 04-25-2010, 01:45 PM

I didn't mean a magnum as in the wsm's, I was talking about the weatherbys, and ultra mags. The 30-06 is a great cartridge, I've been looking at it a lot, my only problem is, my dad already has 2 and I want something different. I know I could use one of his, but I want one of my own. I've really been looking at the 35 whelen, what do you think of that caliber?

elkhunter11 · #26 04-25-2010, 01:49 PM

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I've really been looking at the 35 whelen, what do you think of that caliber?

The 35 Whelen would certainly not be one of my top picks for 500 yard shots at elk.In fact,it would be near the bottom of my list.

Marlin xl7 · #27 04-25-2010, 01:52 PM

I put 500 yards as a maximum, of course I would try and get as close as possible, thats the fun of the whole hunt.

leo · #28 04-25-2010, 01:57 PM

Something really cool and uncommon is the 338-06 or an improved version of . But it is a reloaders proposition. Nothing wrong with a 35 whelan either. Truth is I keep telling myself that there isn't a perfect combination round for all north american game under all conditions . That way I can justify all the guns in my closet

Pathfinder76 · #29 04-25-2010, 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by whitetail Junkie

I shot both my whitetail last fall with my 300 wby,The alberta buck was stretched out @ 250 yards& the sask buck was broadside @ 450 when I hit him the first shot,the second shot hit him when he was running.Flinching HAAA,listen to elkhunter11,you dont know what your talking about.

I love it when game stands at distances in multiples of 50 yds. You know this deer was 450 yds away how? Running no less. Impressive.

whitetail Junkie · #30 04-25-2010, 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by chuck

I love it when game stands at distances in multiples of 50 yds. You know this deer was 450 yds away how? Running no less. Impressive.

I paced it off from where I was sitting when I shot the buck to where the blood was in the snow!! Why are you such a critic?? espicially when I talk about shooting animals that I have Taken.

Charles i've only hunted 12 big game seasons and have shot bigger bucks than you.you should'nt be allowed to use the word impressive,you are quite the piece of work!!!