Wanting a hunting dog some day....questions

[Gagne]

Originally Posted by winger7mm

Uhohhhh, here we go, The pics or it didnt happen BS 'enter slow clap'. Im not here to prove anything. I know what my dog is capable of and its simple as that. I know what my dog can and cant do, or can do but very reluctantly do it. Its not an internet im better then you and you suck. Im stating that I know what my dog CAN and CANT do. Im not ashamed that my dog struggles with greaters, or a very lively and barely wounded goose. Shes a little over 2 years old what can I expect??? But her nose is second to none. What do you want from me??? To let out my untrained dog and hope for hell she can tree a cat I could ask the same of your dogs to pick up and track a bird. It wouldnt take more then 3 days to train your dogs what a bird scent is and means, getting them to not flush though may take longer.

Hey I'm just saying you say there is no cats with in at least a hour and a half of you, but your dog runs and trees one on training day hmmmm, and your the one that keeps bringing up this better that who stuff. I'm just calling bs on your 3 days stuff.

[winger7mm]

Originally Posted by JRsMav

now now fellas.....no peeing matches ehre. I think what winger is trying to say is pretty much what you both are saying....that yes any dog really can be trained to do anything. However, a good cat specific hound will run circles over any other sporting breed if you did a cat hunt. Wingers GSP im sure would run circles over any cat hound or retriever while out hunting upland and pheasants. A guys lab or chessie would run circles while out for geese etc etc. Sure many dog breeds can do double or triple duty, but a specialist dog will always take the cake in that specific trade.

Exactly (but a versatile can do it all )

[aulrich]

FYI

V-dogs and big game in Germany

http://pointingdogblog.blogspot.ca/2...germany_6.html

[JRsMav]

Originally Posted by winger7mm

Exactly (but a versatile can do it all )

you bet they can! I think where the argument lies is he doesn't feel you're giving credit where credit is due, and by that I mean he is taking it like you are saying your GSP could do it as good or better than his trained cat hounds. Yes a versatile is bred to do it all, but other breeds are bred to kick ***** at one or two specific trades. Im sure your GSP rocks in the duck blind! BUT, id place a high wager that pixels labs would dominate in that facet, especially on the water.

[Gagne]

Originally Posted by JRsMav

you bet they can! I think where the argument lies is he doesn't feel you're giving credit where credit is due, and by that I mean he is taking it like you are saying your GSP could do it as good or better than his trained cat hounds. Yes a versatile is bred to do it all, but other breeds are bred to kick ***** at one or two specific trades. Im sure your GSP rocks in the duck blind! BUT, id place a high wager that pixels labs would dominate in that facet, especially on the water.

That not what I'm talking about at all, maybe his dog could run circles around mine all day after being trained. I really don't care, it the bs of it would only take 3 days to make it a cat dog.

[JRsMav]

Well then obviously I misunderstood. I know I personally wouldn't be able to actually 'train' a dog to intentionally and professionally chase cats. I will say most good retrievers will clue in that they need to be going after a scented bumper after about a day or so....but I wouldn't classify that as being 'trained'. that's more natural scenting tendencies coming out of the dog than anything.

[Dacotensis]

Originally Posted by winger7mm

PM sent and no hard feelers at all

I never got your pm????
I'll check with the mods for a glitch in the system.

[winger7mm]

Originally Posted by Dacotensis

I never got your pm????
I'll check with the mods for a glitch in the system.

I sent one to JRsMAV, But if you want I can send the same one lol, Just dog talk is all

[u_cant_rope_the_wind]

first if I was in your shoes, I would train myself on how to handle a well trained hunting dog,
I to would like a well trained hunting dog, but after being away from them for years
I feel I should take some training lessons before I take the plunge on spending $2000 on a hunting pup,
a few seminars, and time spent with a handler and trainer, with trained, and in training dogs
would be beneficial for both myself and a new pup

[Versatile]

Anyone that knows me knows I am a hard core die hard GSP fan. They are the do all dog in Alberta only second to the GWP who can take a little more cold. Generally GWP are built a little heavier so id take a GSP for upland anyday.

However if youy are stupid enough to run your GSP on cats you need that dog taken away. There is a difference between versatile and a cat dog. a versatile is going to get itself killed, leave it to the specialists. Could a Versatile track it? Sure if a dog is taught to follow a track he can track anything, but knowing how to handle a Tom Cougar is something you cant train a dog to do.

Even here in North America, what we look at and think is versatile the guys over in Europe laugh at us. Shooting a pheasant now and a duck later isnt versatile. I know guys who have English Pointers that can do that. Go watch a DKV test then look at your american GSP and see if he is as versatile as you thought he was. Those DKV puppies have more natural ability and manners than most 5 year old dogs ive seen.

[stob]

my preference is for field springers... some old springer guys have moved to brittanys in my circle

i have very succesfully hunted over german shepherds, blue healers, border collie, beagles for upland

you can train smart dogs to do many things but you have to know how to train properly

friend of mine chased cougars for many years with blue ticks

have fun

[Pixel Shooter]

and we have a winner!!!!!!!!!!

Originally Posted by Versatile

However if youy are stupid enough to run your GSP on cats you need that dog taken away. There is a difference between versatile and a cat dog. a versatile is going to get itself killed, leave it to the specialists. Could a Versatile track it? Sure if a dog is taught to follow a track he can track anything, but knowing how to handle a Tom Cougar is something you cant train a dog to do.

[winger7mm]

Originally Posted by Versatile

However if youy are stupid enough to run your GSP on cats you need that dog taken away. There is a difference between versatile and a cat dog. a versatile is going to get itself killed, leave it to the specialists. Could a Versatile track it? Sure if a dog is taught to follow a track he can track anything, but knowing how to handle a Tom Cougar is something you cant train a dog to do.
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All I was saying is it can be done. But if you are going to think im running cats with my solo dog, it aint happening. Single incident where a cat was treed, shows me she can do it. With that said, specific breds, read that part again SPECIFIC breeds are good at basically the only thing they are bred for. A versatile breed is just that versatile.

[catnthehat]

IIRC the GSP is often used in Europe to run wild boar.
When I was a jid there was a neighbour who ran cougars and bears, he used a retreiver /hound cross and had Airedale/ shepard crosses as catch dogs.
I would not count out anything when it comes to dogs.
i know personally of three papered labs that would track and tree bears, retrieve beavers, rabbits, partridges , and hold anythign at bay until we got there.
Cat

[JRsMav]

Originally Posted by winger7mm

All I was saying is it can be done. But if you are going to think im running cats with my solo dog, it aint happening. Single incident where a cat was treed, shows me she can do it. With that said, specific breds, read that part again SPECIFIC breeds are good at basically the only thing they are bred for. A versatile breed is just that versatile.

I think you might be putting a little bit too much stock into the word versatile winger. sure a versatile 'can' do it all......but they wont beat any specialists in their chosen trade. Theyre kind of like the third line ryan jones types. Not gonna blow ya away scoring goals, passing, skating, hitting etc, but they do have the ability to do all those things at an average level.

[Erik]

My Beagles are versatile. Not only can they track rabbits, they can dislodge wild game...from the counter top. One to distract you, the other to go for the kill! They can even open the child-locked, under-sink garbage. Now that's what I call versatile.