Long Arm Registry-Join Together

[bigoldan43]

Insanity: if you keep doing something the same way expecting a different outcome.

We lost the vote. Took us all these years to get a vote and we lost. Time to try something different.

Why did we lose?

We are a rag tag disorganized bunch of grumblers who are all waiting for the world to change in our favor.

It ain't happening.

Let us pool our resources. Join the NFA. Let us have a strong lobby group like our cousins to the south.

Letters to the editor, petitions, blogs and forums are all just preaching to either the choir or those that won't convert.

The only thing a politician cares about is money and votes. If the NFA had 2-3 million members, that would get everyone's attention. If the NFA had 2-3 million members we could take out adds showing our side.

After you join the NFA, get corporate funding for the NFA. Go to your local sporting good store, tell them to donate a buck from your purchase to the NFA. Lots of sporting good stores in the US do just that.
Hit up your local UFA delegate and tell him to bring it up at the next meeting he's at. Get your UFA delegate to push for Wholesale Sports to donate to the NFA. It's in their best interests that we keep spending money in their stores. The UFA owns WSS in case you didn't know.

Let's band together, let's actually do something other than bitch, moan and threaten. If you can't afford a whole membership, just throw $5 in an envelope and send it in.

If we don't get our sh*t together by the next election, we're going to lose our guns. Just watch.

[deerhunter]

How true! There are so many hunting organizations out there that it is impossible to get a strong representation out to the media MP's etc. It would be nice if we could belong to one body who would channel funds to the smaller organizations. One large voice would be listened to as compared to about 20 smaller ones. 2 to 3 million looks a lot better than lets say 20 times 100,000. Just my opinion. BUT HOW DO WE GET EVERY ONE TO CO OPERATE?

[mtylerb]

Originally Posted by deerhunter

How true! There are so many hunting organizations out there that it is impossible to get a strong representation out to the media MP's etc. It would be nice if we could belong to one body who would channel funds to the smaller organizations. One large voice would be listened to as compared to about 20 smaller ones. 2 to 3 million looks a lot better than lets say 20 times 100,000. Just my opinion. BUT HOW DO WE GET EVERY ONE TO CO OPERATE?

The problem herein can be summed up with a quote:

"Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely"

The problem with having one organization representing all of us, is that somewhere down the road our opinions are going to diverge. Whether it be that the organization is against full auto or large capacity magazines, at some point they will claim to be representative of all gun owners and "make a deal" where no deal should be made.

We don't need 50 different organizations, but 2 or 3 is not a bad thing. We donate the money towards the organization that is closest to our opinions and, via the free market system, they learn where our actual opinions lie.

For the record, I am a member of both CSSA and the NFA.

[greylynx]

Some members of this forum will remember financial disclosure problems regarding the NFA.

Have these problems been dealt with, and most importantly how have these problems been dealt with?

Before I get blasted for being a troll, I remember some very serious problems of how funds in the NFA were being distrbuted.

If you want to blast me for not being concerned about the firearms laws, which has happened to me on other forums, I am one of the pups trained by the likes of Tomlinson, Hitchen, Beaumont, and I won't name the ones currently living.

I write this message without malice, or intent to create any problems among us firearms owners.

[Gonehuntin']

Originally Posted by greylynx

Some members of this forum will remember financial disclosure problems regarding the NFA.

Have these problems been dealt with, and most importantly how have these problems been dealt with?

Before I get blasted for being a troll, I remember some very serious problems of how funds in the NFA were being distrbuted.

If you want to blast me for not being concerned about the firearms laws, which has happened to me on other forums, I am one of the pups trained by the likes of Tomlinson, Hitchen, Beaumont, and I won't name the ones currently living.

I write this message without malice, or intent to create any problems among us firearms owners.

I'm not sure about these issues (NFA) being dealt with, I'm only sure that we need to present an organized front against the gun grabbers. NFA and CSSA are the two majors we have, and guess what? If you don't like how things are run, buy in, get a membership, which buys you the right to b!%#@ about it to those in the executive seats of the organisation.

Regardless of how you like NFA,CSSA, we must use the most expedient vehicles available to press the issue.They, IMO, are it. Neither is perfect, I'm sure, but what in the world is? Better than nothing. They both need more members, numbers in their ranks equals clout for them.If even half the unconcerned, head in the sand Fudds would join up, things would change up in our favor.

[Jim]

I am a member and financial donor to NFA,CSSA and CPC and while these organizations have done an outstanding job trying to end the long gun registry, there is one group that will never be swayed to end the long gun registry no matter how many members are in these organizations or how much money is donated. Canadian police have a strong voice with thousands of members, they want the registry and how are we supposed to convince them to end it?

The CACP have already called for a ban on private ownership of handguns and all semi-autos to be reclassified as restricted and prohibited. With all the money put into passing C-391 and all the letters written to politicians and newspapers and the registry still wasn't abolished. I have to ask what more could gun owners do? The cops don't want civilians owning guns, they think all gun owners are criminals, how do you deal with these Gestapo to end the long gun registry?

[cap]

Originally Posted by Jim

I am a member and financial donor to NFA,CSSA and CPC and while these organizations have done an outstanding job trying to end the long gun registry, there is one group that will never be swayed to end the long gun registry no matter how many members are in these organizations or how much money is donated. Canadian police have a strong voice with thousands of members, they want the registry and how are we supposed to convince them to end it?

The CACP have already called for a ban on private ownership of handguns and all semi-autos to be reclassified as restricted and prohibited. With all the money put into passing C-391 and all the letters written to politicians and newspapers and the registry still wasn't abolished. I have to ask what more could gun owners do? The cops don't want civilians owning guns, they think all gun owners are criminals, how do you deal with these Gestapo to end the long gun registry?

A majority Conservative Government could end the problem.The only people in Canada that don't have problems with the registry are the criminal element if they get caught and loose their gun they just go out and get another one as soon as they are released---probably a 60 day turn over

[Donny Bear]

Originally Posted by cap

A majority Conservative Government could end the problem.The only people in Canada that don't have problems with the registry are the criminal element if they get caught and loose their gun they just go out and get another one as soon as they are released---probably a 60 day turn over

Yes

NFA Member but a conservative majority is the best chance.

[bigoldan43]

Originally Posted by Gonehuntin'

I'm not sure about these issues (NFA) being dealt with, I'm only sure that we need to present an organized front against the gun grabbers. NFA and CSSA are the two majors we have, and guess what? If you don't like how things are run, buy in, get a membership, which buys you the right to b!%#@ about it to those in the executive seats of the organisation.

Regardless of how you like NFA,CSSA, we must use the most expedient vehicles available to press the issue.They, IMO, are it. Neither is perfect, I'm sure, but what in the world is? Better than nothing. They both need more members, numbers in their ranks equals clout for them.If even half the unconcerned, head in the sand Fudds would join up, things would change up in our favor.

Thanks gonehuntin.
My dander was up a bit by the negative response. I was trying to come up with a reply, and you have addressed it perfectly.

[bigoldan43]

Originally Posted by Jim

I am a member and financial donor to NFA,CSSA and CPC and while these organizations have done an outstanding job trying to end the long gun registry, there is one group that will never be swayed to end the long gun registry no matter how many members are in these organizations or how much money is donated. Canadian police have a strong voice with thousands of members, they want the registry and how are we supposed to convince them to end it?

The CACP have already called for a ban on private ownership of handguns and all semi-autos to be reclassified as restricted and prohibited. With all the money put into passing C-391 and all the letters written to politicians and newspapers and the registry still wasn't abolished. I have to ask what more could gun owners do? The cops don't want civilians owning guns, they think all gun owners are criminals, how do you deal with these Gestapo to end the long gun registry?

I'm not sure why the police are getting such a strong vote on this issue. I'm sure if polled they'd be like every working man. If asked every working man would say they want the unpleasant tasks eleminated from their day to day work load.
If polled, I bet the police would like less cars on the road, less people drinking publicly, less large groups of people being rowdy, less of everything they have to deal with.
It's nature.

[skidderman]

I heard that it is the heads of police, not the guys on the ground that are supporting the registry. Could it simply be that the heads support it because the RCMP get a much larger budget with registration vs. without? As far as banding together it still comes down to a heavily populated ill informed east vs. the west where hunting & shooting has been in our heritage for years; something Toronto and Montreal will never understand except for a minority of gun owners. I'm not even sure that education works as I've met several on the other side and their minds are not going to be changed. Might as well hit our heads on a steel post. Banding together can't be bad but in the end I see only one or two ways it will go away. One is a PC majority and I'm sceptical about the east on that. The other is if it became provincially controlled which we don't hear much about. I wish I could feel positive about it but the east has had the control forever and they seem to gravitate to anything that hugs trees, keeps animals protected and doesn't understand rural Canada at all. Anything that has a hope of positive change has my vote as has already been said, "what we have been doing isn't working". Keep the positive ideas of change flowing!!!!!!!