LR 22lr

[obsessed1]

Not wanting to hijack another thread I figured I'd start a new one. In past years I got into LR shooting using a couple of my 22lr rifles. ( I consider anything from 150-300 yds long range for this caliber) I have large caliber LR rifles that I do shoot out past 1000yds with but lately have found the cost of running a few hundred rounds every couple of weeks to be stretching the budget( single income family w 6 kids) so I've decided to jump back into rim fire training. My goal is running my 22s to 300 yds on 6" plates and hopfully working up to 500 yds on 8 or 10" plates.the two rifles I plan on using have proven to be accurate and have hits on targets out to 400yds already( although not consistently). Has anyone else ever trained with a rim fire to these distances? I'm fully aware of all the difficulties that arise with LR rim fire but am intrigued with running these little suckers way out there and hope that the things learned while stretching the legs on this round will spill over into the larger caliber rifles. Have fun and keep it in the xring

[catnthehat]

Many Palma match shooters regularly shoot at 200 yards with 22's to keep in shape
The conditions and dope are much the same as a 308 at 1,000.
1MOA or better with the sling and irons is very doable .
Cat

[obsessed1]

I used to be able to do 2-3 moa with my open sight marlin at 200. My scoped savage is capable of 1moa at that range

[Don_Parsons]

You wouldn't of been high-jacking the other thread Ob-1, but good call on starting up a rimfire thread.

I just returned to this hobby after a 30 year leave of absence, and what a thrill it is.

Our plan at the farm is to add a mini PRS range with in the archery path we set up last year, only thing is that the targets are much smaller and a long ways out there.

We've had fairly good luck with the 8", 10" and 12" pie plates at the 200 meter mark,,, depending on what target the kids like to shoot. 25, 50, 75, and 100 meter targets are much more challanging.

We've been adding 3 different size targets for each distance.

The smallest is 1/4" at 25,,, 1" at 100 meters,,, very challanging fore sure. Ha
2", 4" at the 100 mark are the big ones.
The kids draw up a target on the iron, we cut it out and it becomes the go to thing. Ha.

We started off with the expensive 22 ammo at first, then switched over to the Target Standard Velocity Solids at $0.0364 per shot,,, its not the best of the quality 22 LR ammo out there,,, but it does the job for us.

Pure fun.

[spoiledsaskhunter]

have a friend who shoots out to 300m from his front step. he's been telling me i should try it, but i haven't got around to it yet. he says it will make you humble!

i've been bragging up my cz452, so i'm going to be pi**y if i can't hit the gongs.

[Stinky Coyote]

That cheaper federal blue box .22 shoots so good out of my savage and anschutz rifles. Just but plenty of bricks.

Building a duplicate rimfire to your centerfire is a great idea even though mine more set up to do 100 yrd gopher work, consider mil dot vs dial up as might wear out the dials with big volume of a rimfire? Learn the dots to ranges instead.

I could build rimfires on chassis and make identical to the 6.5 grendels on chassis I’m building for my kids. Sadly we just won’t have the time to do it as right as this though.

This is all a great idea and will make better shooters no doubt!👍

[58thecat]

The good thing about the 22lr is that you don't go broke trying to hit targets close or far....we use to sit and use a spotter to call our shots at the gopher 200 yards out.....one of the greatest calibres/cartridges ever developed hands down.

[Don_Parsons]

^^^ X's 2

Like the kids at the ranch say, what a blast.

Frugal to the max for rifle and ammo.

[Groundhogger]

Originally Posted by 58thecat

The good thing about the 22lr is that you don't go broke trying to hit targets close or far....we use to sit and use a spotter to call our shots at the gopher 200 yards out.....one of the greatest calibres/cartridges ever developed hands down.

Well, I wouldn't call it "training" but I regularly push 22LR way out there. It's my favorite caliber, hands-down. In the third photo down in this thread I posted, we're doing exactly ^that. http://www.outdoorsmenforum.ca/showthread.php?t=346865

As for rifles, most of my field shooting is with a CZ452 Varmint, 4-12X AO scope. Last year, I bought a rifle that I think is meant for this kind of "training" (in spirit anyway) and Anschutz 64 MPR "Tactical Trainer". See my post here; http://www.outdoorsmenforum.ca/showthread.php?t=345003 At the time, it came equipped with a 20MOA rail, incredible trigger and at it's heart..the Anschutz 64MPR. Great gun, very heavy though. I baby it too much, but have bought a selection top-shelf ammo to try through it when the dam* weather cools off a bit here in Ontario.

[obsessed1]

Managed to go 30/35 on my 4" plate at 100 yds today with my marlin 39 A. Factory 24" micro groove barrel factory semi buckhorn sights. Total group size was just over 2.5" ( only counting the hits....all misses were low. I cant load the pics for some reason but my verticle spread is 1.75" and horizontal spread 2.75" Shooting prone with front vanguard tripod rest and rear sqeeze bag. 8 oclock wind at 7-10 mph. Ammo was HV federal target rounds i had laying around.

[pikergolf]

Originally Posted by Groundhogger

Well, I wouldn't call it "training" but I regularly push 22LR way out there. It's my favorite caliber, hands-down. In the third photo down in this thread I posted, we're doing exactly ^that. http://www.outdoorsmenforum.ca/showthread.php?t=346865

As for rifles, most of my field shooting is with a CZ452 Varmint, 4-12X AO scope. Last year, I bought a rifle that I think is meant for this kind of "training" (in spirit anyway) and Anschutz 64 MPR "Tactical Trainer". See my post here; http://www.outdoorsmenforum.ca/showthread.php?t=345003 At the time, it came equipped with a 20MOA rail, incredible trigger and at it's heart..the Anschutz 64MPR. Great gun, very heavy though. I baby it too much, but have bought a selection top-shelf ammo to try through it when the dam* weather cools off a bit here in Ontario.

Please let us know your results when you do this, I am very interested.

[Groundhogger]

Originally Posted by pikergolf

Please let us know your results when you do this, I am very interested.

Will do pikergolf. I had posted some targets on CGN using CCI SV and SK Standard...just searched and couldn't find the post. The gun likes both, the SK having a consistency edge. I've since tried SK Rifle match (even better!) but have RWS 50, Lap. Center X, and a few others to test out. Something about buggy, 32C (feeling like 40C with humidity) conditions that makes load testing seem a little unappealing. lol

I might add, I've never felt a trigger anything like the one on this gun, and I've had the privilege of owning a couple of nice rifles (including a Cooper)...and shooting a few others. Very fun target gun...if I can bring myself to stop babying it, maybe it'll get called into gopher duty one day!

[antlercarver]

Used to shoot with brother. If I hit the gong, he owed me a .22 shell, if I missed
I owed him a .22 shell, then it was his turn to shoot. We had a gong at 200 yds.

[58thecat]

Originally Posted by Groundhogger

Will do pikergolf. I had posted some targets on CGN using CCI SV and SK Standard...just searched and couldn't find the post. The gun likes both, the SK having a consistency edge. I've since tried SK Rifle match (even better!) but have RWS 50, Lap. Center X, and a few others to test out. Something about buggy, 32C (feeling like 40C with humidity) conditions that makes load testing seem a little unappealing. lol

I might add, I've never felt a trigger anything like the one on this gun, and I've had the privilege of owning a couple of nice rifles (including a Cooper)...and shooting a few others. Very fun target gun...if I can bring myself to stop babying it, maybe it'll get called into gopher duty one day!

Jeepers eh....I hate to say I would loose the 100 bucks going up against that rig

[58thecat]

Originally Posted by Groundhogger

Well, I wouldn't call it "training" but I regularly push 22LR way out there. It's my favorite caliber, hands-down. In the third photo down in this thread I posted, we're doing exactly ^that. http://www.outdoorsmenforum.ca/showthread.php?t=346865

As for rifles, most of my field shooting is with a CZ452 Varmint, 4-12X AO scope. Last year, I bought a rifle that I think is meant for this kind of "training" (in spirit anyway) and Anschutz 64 MPR "Tactical Trainer". See my post here; http://www.outdoorsmenforum.ca/showthread.php?t=345003 At the time, it came equipped with a 20MOA rail, incredible trigger and at it's heart..the Anschutz 64MPR. Great gun, very heavy though. I baby it too much, but have bought a selection top-shelf ammo to try through it when the dam* weather cools off a bit here in Ontario.

I call it training, controlled breathing, trigger squeeze, target acquired, 200 yard target, keeping it all together fully knowing that a 100 buck bet is on the line of making the shot....good training to keep it together and have bragging rights for another week at work

[Scottmisfits]

I had a buddy that had one made up that fits in the Hornaday (among other brands I'm sure) comparator gauge.

[Big Sky]

I've weighed a lot of 22 ammo from different manufacturers. Everything from bulk stuff to mid priced Euro ammo. It's easy to do while watching hockey.

Generally speaking, the higher the price of the ammo, the smaller the range of weights. IMO this is one factor that can provide you with consistent ammo.

It would be nice if a person could remove the bullet and powder from a cartridge and then weigh the bullet, powder and case. Then reassemble it all and shoot it. But, common sense tells me that the accuracy of the cartridges would be destroyed in the process.

Here comes my very simplified thoughts.
Bullets can either be of the correct weight(cw), light of weight(lw) or heavy in weight (hw). The same goes for the powder and cases. And of course, there's degrees of lightness and heaviness.

I'm ignoring case weight from this.

In a perfect world, 22 ammo would come off the assembly line with correct bullet weight and correct powder weight. Consistent ammo would be the result. But that is not the case.

However, I can weigh finished cartridges and sort them into different 'piles', according to their total weight. In a perfect world the results would look like a normal curve with the best ammo being the ammo from the middle of the curve. ie the ammo closest to the average weight

Here's the problem
A 'correct weight' bullet and a 'correct weight' powder charge would give you a 'correct weight' cartridge. This is what I would want for my ammo.
But a light bullet with a heavy powder charge could also result in a 'correct weight' cartridge. This combo should give higher velocity and should result in a flier, even thought it's total weight makes you think it is a 'good' cartridge.
Also, a heavy bullet with a light powder charge can give you a correct weight cartridge. But this combo should result in slower velocity and will most likely be a flier.

And .......
A heavy bullet with a heavy powder charge would appear to be a poor (heavy) cartridge, but in reality this could produce the desired velocity and accuracy.
Same with a light bullet and a light powder charge.


I made a simple chart about rimfire cartridge weights. Something to think about.

[catnthehat]

According to what I was told from ammunition manufacturers themselves , the biggest factor in accuracy consistency of rimfire Ammo is the crimp itself .
Weighing and measuring rim thickness is about all we as consumers can do to to
Assure we have the most accurate Ammo we can get for match shooting
Cat

[Don_Parsons]

^^^ X's 2

I was thinking about doing the ammo sorting thing,,, but I've had good experiences with the factory Target stuff.

Other than that I use the hollow points since I do the predator control thing.

Beldding in the 22 rimfire with my hunting rifle stuff helps keep me up to speed now days,,, alot of plinking before I luanch the heavy weights down range.

What a savings of powder and bullets little lone the reloading bench time.

I'm lucky if I spend a few hours a month now loading ammo for the full bore,,, pretty hard to not spend $3 to $3.65 for a box of 50,,, I like the 13 to 1600 rounds per bucket at $99 to $127,,,, what a deal.

Yuppers,,, Have Gun will travel since its easy to pack and darn fun to shoot,,, the kids enjoy this stuff since they like trying different targets and iron silhouettes.

I get a kick out of it my self since we get to share in the good times. That's what really counts.

👍

[Don_Parsons]

Looks like the weather is slowly coming around,,, its 22 rimfire time and finish off the hot charged center fire loads,,, hopefully I can plant 15 to 20 of them into a extra large basketball size group at distance. Ha... More like the size of a sliding barn door.

The full bore work over can't start soon enough.

The oil companies opened up 100's of cutlines up North,,, we've been traveling around by truck,,, quads with tracks,,, and sleds... Endless miles in all directions sight-seeing,,, plinking,,, stump shooting,,, and camp fire smoky -dog cooks... I must remember to bring lawn chair and warm blanket when it comes to afternoon nap time. LOL.

Its blue skies up here this morning,,, hopefully it stays the same for the next 4 days of good times.

The over night control unit is all rigged up,,, lots of food, gas,,, and toys,,, the rimfire and full bore is fun,,, the Trad bow will deffinatly add to this mix.

👍