Wild Horse Cull

[Donkey Oatey]

Originally Posted by sunsetrider2011

Then you know absolutely nothing of history. enough said, like Sheep I too am finished.

Laughable.

These horses we are talking about are not wild horses native to North America. They were brought to North America with the Spanish about 500yrs ago. Horses ended up in ALBERTA through settlement and through Indigenous Peoples.

These horses in the west country are feral livestock. Treat them as such and put them down or behind a fence.

I already posted if that doesn't work and they are truly wild creatures, classify them as such under the Wildlife Act.

They deserve no special protection or treatment over native, natural animals. Horses are not naturally occurring in N.A. for 10,000yrs. The term is extirpated. You want them to be native and occur in the wild, lets classify them as wildlife and be done with it. As long as they are considered livestock and untouchable they need to be controlled or destroyed.

Where are your strawmen now?

[recce43]

Originally Posted by sunsetrider2011

the neighbors cows get out on my grass they are feral,,if they were there 200 years before i got here they are no longer feral but a fixture

But the feral horses have only been around since the early 1900s

[Sooner]

Originally Posted by Rocky7

It crumbles to nothing in no time and it does not splatter on my windshield as when I hit a puddle of cow liquid on the FTR.

It's easy to avoid.

That is true Rocky and eewwww on the cow puddles.

[Rocky7]

Originally Posted by sunsetrider2011

Funny you say Extinct,, and i have a couple hundred + head in my possesion,, they look far from extinct,..

You see dead horses.

(sorry)

[Rocky7]

Originally Posted by sheephunter

No dodge at all.....perhaps it wasn't the answer you hoped for but it was honest....please refer to post #215.

You most definitely dodged the question - and then doubled down by referring me back to your dodgy answer.

I'll take you back through our conversation to make it easier to follow:

You said, at Post #83:

Originally Posted by sheephunter

They serve zero useful purpose in the wild and compete directly with our native ungulates.

Given the fact that cows serve ZERO USEFUL PURPOSE IN THE WILD and COMPETE DIRECTLY WITH OUT NATIVE UNGULATES (sorry for the caps, but I think you skipped over that bit. I thought it was obvious.).

I said, at Post #212:

Originally Posted by Rocky7

Where was that comment in any of the many previous threads we've had here about grazing leases in the West Country? You were strangely silent when the issue was shytters in the wild. Is there another agenda at play?

And you then respond thus at Post #215:

Originally Posted by sheephunter

These horses stress our native wildlife and they have no economic value to society as a whole so it's easy to do the math.

I point out that your words do not answer the question at all since the cows you tolerate in the wild do not add any value to society as a whole, either.

I won't bother checking back for an answer to my question at Post 212. We both know it won't be here.

You are willing to slaughter wild horses that are not bothering you one iota because they "don't belong in the wild" and "compete for feed" and yet you are perfectly willing to tolerate 1,000's of cattle who likewise "don't belong in the wild" and "compete for feed".

There's another agenda at work in your position. Either that, or you are irrational.

If both of those are wrong, you'll need to either surrender the arguments you have been advancing to kill wild horses OR join me in arguing for removal of cows from the Eastern Slopes and foothills - that is the same range used by these wild horses. You cannot suck and blow at the same time.

[singleshotom]

I talked to a fellow last year that was going to a horse adoption program and was picking up a horse for a $1. He said there was a lot of paper work but the horses were cheap. During the winter he picked up 8 or 9 and was there to get the 10th. one. He was asked how many he had all together and when he told them none they were surprise.
They asked him about the last 8 or 9, he said well I take them out to the farm and shoot them and shoot coyotes off them.
They went pretty wild, but he thought he was doing some of these ol horses a favor. He was being sincere, many of them were lame or foundered and one was even blind.
So I guess in this case its somewhat the same, some people have one view and others have apposing views as far as what is right and what should be done.
sst

[catnthehat]

Originally Posted by singleshotom

I talked to a fellow last year that was going to a horse adoption program and was picking up a horse for a $1. He said there was a lot of paper work but the horses were cheap. During the winter he picked up 8 or 9 and was there to get the 10th. one. He was asked how many he had all together and when he told them none they were surprise.
They asked him about the last 8 or 9, he said well I take them out to the farm and shoot them and shoot coyotes off them.
They went pretty wild, but he thought he was doing some of these ol horses a favor. He was being sincere, many of them were lame or foundered and one was even blind.
So I guess in this case its somewhat the same, some people have one view and others have apposing views as far as what is right and what should be done.
sst

The guy bought the horses, what he did with them after that , of course was noboody's business but his own!
Would it have made a difference if he shot a horse that was blind that he owned but did not use for 5 years?
Same as me, I sold a nice Remington SXS hammer double a few years back.
The guy cut it down for cowboy actiuon then sold it!!
If I knew he was going to cut it down i wouldn't have sold the gun, but I did and it was his.
He could have easily flipped it for twice what i sold it to him for and the outcome would have been the same - it ws his, not mine.
Cat

[Grain]

Originally Posted by singleshotom

I talked to a fellow last year that was going to a horse adoption program and was picking up a horse for a $1. He said there was a lot of paper work but the horses were cheap. During the winter he picked up 8 or 9 and was there to get the 10th. one. He was asked how many he had all together and when he told them none they were surprise.
They asked him about the last 8 or 9, he said well I take them out to the farm and shoot them and shoot coyotes off them.
They went pretty wild, but he thought he was doing some of these ol horses a favor. He was being sincere, many of them were lame or foundered and one was even blind.
sst

Something doesn't sound right with that story, a little too urban mythish for me. I'm not sure which self respecting outfit would adopt out lame, foundered or blind horses. The "lot of paper work" didn't include clauses of providing good homes, which he signed saying he would? If he was just using them as coyote bait, why'd he need 10 in one winter? They won't rot in the cold, and if the coyotes are eating that many, he's feeding them not shooting them.

[Brent_reid]

Leave the wild horses alone, maybe we should put a cull on politicians and their pensions lol Oops was that my outside voice/

[Arachnodisiac]

Cull 'em all.

Big difference between wild and feral.

[Sloughsharkjigger]

Won't someone think of the children!

[Nait Hadya]

now that the horse hugger is out of the 1+2=3, lets look at some facts.

the feral horses have taken over the winter grazing areas where elk once roamed. there are few areas where they have not grazed, be it the top of the mountain or down in the valley.

it's not unreasonable to conclude that the elk can't compete with the ferals and are pressured off the prime winter habitat which exposes them to predators and overgrazing.

[sunsetrider2011]

Originally Posted by recce43

But the feral horses have only been around since the early 1900s

Better do a lil more research

[6mmhunter]

Originally Posted by Arachnodisiac

Cull 'em all.

Big difference between wild and feral.

Exactly!!!!

[sunsetrider2011]

Originally Posted by Brent_reid

Leave the wild horses alone, maybe we should put a cull on politicians and their pensions lol Oops was that my outside voice/

I do believe i said they should open a cull for all the idiots

[roger]

finally!
there are wild dogs on many reserves to perhaps we should save them too!
feral anything is still feral!

funny how a zebra, is a lifetime goal in africa, yet shooting a feral horse in your own backyard is taboo.

[Rocky7]

Originally Posted by roger

funny how a zebra, is a lifetime goal in africa, yet shooting a feral horse in your own backyard is taboo.

I have no interest in shooting a zebra. None. Just sayin....not that it's relevant to this discussion.

[pickrel pat]

feral....

[Sloughsharkjigger]

Spill it Pickeral..... What's on your mine?

[pickrel pat]

Originally Posted by Sloughsharkjigger

Spill it Pickeral..... What's on your mine?

hotdogs.(for the children)....

[sunsetrider2011]

I find this very interesting,

http://www.thecanadianencyclopedia.com/articles/wapiti

says they were extinct in ab before 1913

so by that they would be feral

[pickrel pat]

Originally Posted by Sloughsharkjigger

Spill it Pickeral..... What's on your mine?

im not big on feral, yes feral, horses runnin around, but I would still like to see some of the "destruction" caused by these horses that some people claim..... if it was that devestating im sure you took pics..... post em.

[Rocky7]

Originally Posted by sunsetrider2011

I find this very interesting,

http://www.thecanadianencyclopedia.com/articles/wapiti

says they were extinct in ab before 1913

so by that they would be feral

Interesting. For those who won't click, it's about our elk:

They went extinct in Alberta prior to 1913, but were reintroduced from Yellowstone National Park (in the central northwestern United States) by 1917.

The plot thickens.

Originally Posted by Rocky7

You are willing to slaughter wild horses that are not bothering you one iota because they "don't belong in the wild" and "compete for feed" and yet you are perfectly willing to tolerate 1,000's of cattle who likewise "don't belong in the wild" and "compete for feed".

There's another agenda at work in your position. Either that, or you are irrational.

If both of those are wrong, you'll need to either surrender the arguments you have been advancing to kill wild horses OR join me in arguing for removal of cows from the Eastern Slopes and foothills - that is the same range used by these wild horses. You cannot suck and blow at the same time.

LOL...I'll likely regret asking but what is this agenda at work? Do I need my tinfoil hat?

[sunsetrider2011]

heres another interesting fact.

http://www.smouse.force9.co.uk/facts3.htm

[Sloughsharkjigger]

Originally Posted by pickrel pat

im not big on feral, yes feral, horses runnin around, but I would still like to see some of the "destruction" caused by these horses that some people claim..... if it was that devestating im sure you took pics..... post em.

I don't know about this whole debate.... If we look at the definition of feral it is basically a domestic gone wild. What about the off spring of the feral.... after a few generations you would think the feral is long gone and should be
be classified as wild game.

Give you a chance for those wieners.

[Arachnodisiac]

Reintroduction of a native species is different than allowing a feral one to remain as an introduced non-native species.

Originally Posted by sunsetrider2011

I find this very interesting,

http://www.thecanadianencyclopedia.com/articles/wapiti

says they were extinct in ab before 1913

so by that they would be feral

[vcmm]

While we are at it about culling non native species.Lets open a big azz can of worms.What about TROUT?

[sunsetrider2011]

Originally Posted by Arachnodisiac

Reintroduction of a native species is different than allowing a feral one to remain as an introduced non-native species.

The horse was actually part of this landscape as well.

[sunsetrider2011]

Originally Posted by vcmm

While we are at it about culling non native species.Lets open a big azz can of worms.What about TROUT?