alberta beef producers proposing pay to play

[bhguy]

Originally Posted by expmler

Neither is my land.

The crop is a consumable, the wildlife isn't ruining your land its the crop

[expmler]

Originally Posted by jungleboy

What makes you think I don't pay my way? I spend thousands of dollars to support my hunting hobby. Just because I don't give you money doesn't mean I don't pay my way .

For each dollar you spend you receive a benefit. You pay for guns, ammo, gas, gear and get a benefit from each one. It benefits you to have access to my land but that benefit you want for free.

[bhguy]

Originally Posted by expmler

For each dollar you spend you receive a benefit. You pay for guns, ammo, gas, gear and get a benefit from each one. It benefits you to have access to my land but that benefit you want for free.

But it equally benefits you removing a problem

[JRsMav]

Originally Posted by covey ridge

Sooooooo, you guys are threatening the land owners to do it your way or you will take action against them? Sure I know you are talking about the dimwits promoting paid access, but this thread seems to be mostly against landowners who will not let anyone and everyone on their property. This has nothing to do with having your cake and eating it too, but seems to be more about shooting yourself in the foot.

Way to make friends

No, you misinterpreted my post, and missed my previous post. I am a landowner! I am also friends and neighbors to many landowners. Most of which have shared a bottle or two after a long day in one of their fields. I am positive none of the landowners i know would ever push for paid hunting access....myself included. I will however openly lash back against those members of the 'landowners fraternity' that obviously have their heads lodged up where the sun dont shine. Keep in mind, and at the same time, im sure youre a good guy. Pretty confident we could sit down and shoot the bs. At the same time all one needs to do is look south and read about the horror that is free enterprise land access. Not only do hunters suffer, but the game as well boys. One member already commented. Once it becomes a business arrangement it also becomes a me me me scenario when speaking of the hunters that have the dollars to pay

[Albertacoyotecaller]

All I hear is poor, poor me. It's as annoying as listening to my children complain about their terrible life.

[expmler]

Originally Posted by Albertacoyotecaller

All I hear is poor, poor me.

On BOTH sides

[jungleboy]

Originally Posted by expmler

For each dollar you spend you receive a benefit. You pay for guns, ammo, gas, gear and get a benefit from each one. It benefits you to have access to my land but that benefit you want for free.

Actually If hunting on your land was my only option I would give up hunting all together. I hunt on crown land .

[bhguy]

Originally Posted by JRsMav

No, you misinterpreted my post, and missed my previous post. I am a landowner! I am also friends and neighbors to many landowners. Most of which have shared a bottle or two after a long day in one of their fields. I am positive none of the landowners i know would ever push for paid hunting access....myself included. I will however openly lash back against those members of the 'landowners fraternity' that obviously have their heads lodged up where the sun dont shine. Keep in mind, and at the same time, im sure youre a good guy. Pretty confident we could sit down and shoot the bs. At the same time all one needs to do is look south and read about the horror that is free enterprise land access. Not only do hunters suffer, but the game as well boys. One member already commented. Once it becomes a business arrangement it also becomes a me me me scenario when speaking of the hunters that have the dollars to pay

Bang on!!

[Albertacoyotecaller]

Originally Posted by expmler

On BOTH sides

Not really. Don't want to grant a privilege. Fine. Don't mess with the animals. There part of the resource we all own. I will find some other opportunities to hunt. Continue farming, apply for comp and move on like I will do.

[bison]

Originally Posted by JRsMav

why do you continue to link granting or not granting permission to paid access? two entirely different things. No hunter ever, at anytime has protested against being denied permission to hunt a section of land. We are all fine with that aspect.

You could've fooled me
I been given the finger more than once.

[expmler]

Originally Posted by bhguy

But it equally benefits you removing a problem

How about this, I allow you access to my land. You shoot an Elk and give me a hind quarter. That way you benefit at no cost for access and whatever the Elk cost me in damage is negated because I benefit by eating the Elk.

[pickrel pat]

well atleast theres only a couple farmers out of probably a thousand plus farmers on this board that are for paid access to help them with wildlife damaging their crops.....heck, those 2 don't even have the backing/support of other farmers here. In fact, other farmers are telling them what a dumb idea it is.....lol. Theres power in numbers, you 2 stick together now, make that dream come true!!!!

[expmler]

Originally Posted by Albertacoyotecaller

Not really. Don't want to grant a privilege. Fine. Don't mess with the animals. There part of the resource we all own. I will find some other opportunities to hunt. Continue farming, apply for comp and move on like I will do.

Who's messing with the animals?

[Big Daddy Badger]

Originally Posted by expmler

You forget supply and demand. If Canadian farmers hold their products out of the market that causes a shortage in supply making the price rise.Just like when they get a frost in Florida and they lose their orange crop, price of orange juice goes up.

Sure has worked well for you so far eh?

[bhguy]

Originally Posted by expmler

How about this, I allow you access to my land. You shoot an Elk and give me a hind quarter. That way you benefit at no cost for access and whatever the Elk cost me in damage is negated because I benefit by eating the Elk.

If I could give the meat legally yes, sounds logical, no,money involved both benefit

[jungleboy]

16 pages Expmler is gonna hit the 500 post mark before you know it. I heard the give a crisp new $5 bill when you hit 500 posts now

[expmler]

Originally Posted by bhguy

If I could give the meat legally yes, sounds logical, no,money involved both benefit

Legal here. I think we have attained world peace.

[expmler]

Originally Posted by jungleboy

16 pages Expmler is gonna hit the 500 post mark before you know it. I heard the give a crisp new $5 bill when you hit 500 posts now

Donate it to the Alberta wildlife fund in my name.

[Big Daddy Badger]

Originally Posted by jungleboy

I think you are on to something here Big daddy . Seems the ones pushing the most for some of these changes are the big operation farms. Could it be that they see an opportunity to squeeze out the little guy and get a larger slice of the pie for themselves . to paraphrase an earlier post ,is their selfishness showing through?

The guys behind this are looking further ahead than the next hunting season.

[bhguy]

Originally Posted by expmler

Legal here. I think we have attained world peace.

Appears so

[Big Daddy Badger]

Originally Posted by covey ridge

I think that the motivation for some of these threads is just to obtain forced permission from landowners.

Not at all.

Give permission or do not...its a free country and you can do whatever you want.

BUT...do not expect tax payers to cover your losses when you make choices that result in lost income.

By way of example.... I do not want cats around my place.
I do not then expect someone to buy me mouse traps when rodents show up...do I?

[mudbug]

Originally Posted by expmler

For each dollar you spend you receive a benefit. You pay for guns, ammo, gas, gear and get a benefit from each one. It benefits you to have access to my land but that benefit you want for free.

Hmmmm what kind of benfit do you get Let's see, feedback on livestock that might not be doing well, knowing about open gates, knowing about tresspassers, problem animals like coyotes being controled, deer numbers being kept at a reasonable population so they don't damage feed stores as much etc etc. Then there's some other benefits of having someone like me access your land, I've brought out items from suppliers to landowners before to save them trips into the city etc. Helped with fence repair and other chores at times when help is needed by the land owner. Genuine friendship usually develops as an added benefit to both parties.
Apparently this is not for you though and that's fine with because it is your land and you have every right to control access to it. That is one of the benefits of owning your property. Just remember that though when you have a problem with users that don't ask for permission and go on your land that you don't have the added benefit of honest legit users keeping an eye out for your proerty etc. If you think a paid user will be as responsible and respectfull as someone you actually develop a good relationship with then you better think that one over. Just my two bits anyways, I've always had great relationships with the landowners I know that allow me access to hunt etc. It's too bad you don't seem to have experienced this type of relationship with some hunters etc.

[Big Daddy Badger]

Originally Posted by Sneeze

I think we need to take a closer look at the ranching industry in Alberta in regards to how it is affecting the water quality in our lakes, rivers & irrigation districts.

We also need further testing of spring melt water from feedlots and ranch yards for pollutants and biologically hazardous waste.

We also need to lobby government to make ranchers financially responsible for remediation of riverbanks, lake shores and wetlands from damage due to cattle.

I think it is also fair that the tax payer is compensated for the use of water - a public resource - by ranchers.

I also think a close look at methane pollution by cattle in Alberta is in order. The rest of Alberta's industries have been forced to reduce carbon emissions, maybe its time to apply this to ranching?

Lastly, a good look at subsidies and tax breaks provided to ranchers in Alberta to see if they adequately reflect economic conditions and current public sentiment of the industry.


What is that? Something about cake and eating it?

That might just be a good idea.

There is no point in continuing to supliment the inductry if they have eliminated their problem by means of what some here are suggesting.

Why would we let folks double dip at taxpayers expense?

[expmler]

Originally Posted by jungleboy

Actually If hunting on your land was my only option I would give up hunting all together. I hunt on crown land .

Now you have hurt my feelings.

[expmler]

Originally Posted by mudbug

Hmmmm what kind of benfit do you get Let's see, feedback on livestock that might not be doing well, open gates, knowing about tresspassers, problem animals like coyotes being controled, deer numbers being kept at a reasonable population so they don't damage feed stores as much etc etc. Then there's some other benefits of having someone like me access your land, I've brought out items from suppliers to landowners before to save them trips into the city etc. Helped with fence repair and other chores at times when help is needed by the land owner. Genuine friendship usually develops as an added benefit to both parties.
Apparently this is not for you though and that's fine with because it is your land and you have every right to control access to it. That is one of the benefits of owning your property. Just remember that though when you have a problem with users that don't ask for permission and go on your land that you don't have the added benefit of honest legit users keeping an eye out for your proerty etc. If you think a paid user will be as responsible and respectfull as someone you actually develop a good relationship with then you better think that one over. Just my two bits anyways, I've always had great relationships with the landowners I know that allow me access to hunt etc. It's too bad you don't seem to have experienced this type of relationship with some hunters etc.

If you want to come out and work on my farm for a few days in the summer, I'll give you access for a few days in the fall. Might even tell where to find what your hunting.

[Dacotensis]

Originally Posted by expmler

Donate it to the Alberta wildlife fund in my name.

Which screen name should be applied to that?

Ya'll are being trolled.....
Maybe this discussion has to happen to ferret out the Weasles.

I know lots of farmers ranchers and landowners.
I don't think any of them are pro pay.
In fact, everyone of them are also anti outfitter.

Every one Of them wants a good ole Alberta boy to come take care of the animal issue.
In return they get many benefits that mudboy provided.

I can honestly say, I have received phone calls out of the blue from ranchers I have not met but want me to come hunt their land because they know I'm hunting their neighbours land.
I don't take a bottle with me or $100 bills either when I go and meet them.
We sit and have a coffee while momma makes lunch and shoot the chit about farming, land and people.
The topic of paid hunting comes up and many guys get irate over the concept.

[JRsMav]

Justin? Gerritse?

[expmler]

Originally Posted by Big Daddy Badger

Not at all.

Give permission or do not...its a free country and you can do whatever you want.

BUT...do not expect tax payers to cover your losses when you make choices that result in lost income.

By way of example.... I do not want cats around my place.
I do not then expect someone to buy me mouse traps when rodents show up...do I?

Nobody stands in your way if you get rid of the rodents yourself...do they?

[crownb]

Originally Posted by Dacotensis

Which screen name should be applied to that?

Ya'll are being trolled.....
Maybe this discussion has to happen to ferret out the Weasles.

I know lots of farmers ranchers and landowners.
I don't think any of them are pro pay.
In fact, everyone of them are also anti outfitter.

Every one Of them wants a good ole Alberta boy to come take care of the animal issue.
In return they get many benefits that mudboy provided.

I can honestly say, I have received phone calls out of the blue from ranchers I have not met but want me to come hunt their land because they know I'm hunting their neighbours land.
I don't take a bottle with me or $100 bills either when I go and meet them.
We sit and have a coffee while momma makes lunch and shoot the chit about farming, land and people.
The topic of paid hunting comes up and many guys get irate over the concept.

Sounds bang on to me, I do enjoy some home made sausage though if the hunters is successful.

[crownb]

Wait a minute if I accept said sausage does that make it paid hunting., come on now all walks of life involve common sense I think everyone on the thread needs some more including me.