Tag System has flaws

[Donkey Slayer]

A person I know got a bull moose tag in a Nov zone with a priority of zero, he said he has never put in for a moose tag before. This year that zone needed a 2 to have a slight chance of a tag.

I was waiting for the 2012 draw summary to be posted just to check the numbers.

I was with him when you looked at the WIN number info on Alberta Relm and it has him listed as being drawn. I even checked his history just to verify that he has never put in for a moose draw before, and he has not.

I always assumed the draw system was fair and bullet proof. I now have solid proof it is not.

That fire in Calgary has helped some people. I'm justing wondering how many people got #$#* by the draws.

[Okotokian]

What WMU? There are plenty of them where a zero will get you a tag.

[Canuk]

there is always the posibility that he 999 moose years back and forgot, or someone else did it for him.

or you are right and it was a glitch.

Just saying when we base "solid proof" of one persons word or memory it will eventually embarass us.

Either way, good for him!

[elkhunter11]

I even checked his history just to verify that he has never put in for a moose draw before, and he has not.

My history only goes back to 2007, and have priorities of 9 for some draw codes, so all of my applications are not shown in the history.

[pottymouth]

Originally Posted by swampdonkey

A person I know got a bull moose tag in a Nov zone with a priority of zero, he said he has never put in for a moose tag before. This year that zone needed a 2 to have a slight chance of a tag.

I was waiting for the 2012 draw summary to be posted just to check the numbers.

I was with him when you looked at the WIN number info on Alberta Relm and it has him listed as being drawn. I even checked his history just to verify that he has never put in for a moose draw before, and he has not.

I always assumed the draw system was fair and bullet proof. I now have solid proof it is not.

That fire in Calgary has helped some people. I'm justing wondering how many people got #$#* by the draws.

Take some pictures, of the successful draw, and the priority history. Block the guys personal info, and post it.

That would be the first solid piece of evidence of the draw system being flawed. Then we would have concrete evidence and we could start the ball rolling.

Usually it's people error, caught only the second time they go back to get the evidence!

[nc21]

Originally Posted by pottymouth

Take some pictures, of the successful draw, and the priority history. Block the guys personal info, and post it.

That would be the first solid piece of evidence of the draw system being flawed. Then we would have concrete evidence and we could start the ball rolling.

Usually it's people error, caught only the second time they go back to get the evidence!

Agreed !!!!!!! Lets see the proof and then we can all make Judgements

[duffy4]

From what I understand there is some data entry by human beings along the line in the draw process. And as we know if there is a human doing something then there is the possibility of an error happening occasionally.

From the stories I hear of draw glitches, I think most often the glitch is at the applicants end. However the odd one is at the system end. What can we do about it? Sleet happens!

[7brent]

For starters r draw system dose not work it a joke .. All it is is a loto draw !!!!!!

[Okotokian]

Originally Posted by 7brent

For starters r draw system dose not work it a joke .. All it is is a loto draw !!!!!!

Bring forward the evidence. We all want to see it.

[pottymouth]

Originally Posted by 7brent

For starters r draw system dose not work it a joke .. All it is is a loto draw !!!!!!

With that many exclamation marks, Brent you sound like you got a lot of evidence your going to provide us .

[MAC]

Originally Posted by 7brent

For starters r draw system dose not work it a joke .. All it is is a loto draw !!!!!!

I have to respectfully disagree with you on this.
The system has worked exactly it is supposed to for me.
I look at the previous years draw use these as a guide to what I may possibly draw and plan if I can dedicate my time to this animal.
Antelope in 09 got it as expected with 9 points
Mule deer in 2010 got it as expected with 4 points
Hernia surgery in 2011 999 everything built up points
2012 have my Bull moose tag with 9 points Time is booked off
2013 Hoping for archery antelope will decide once I see the numbers
Whenever I can take the entire month of november off I will have a 410 Ram tag in my pack.
Glitches happen and I know some that it has happened to. F&W bent over backwards to correct the mistake and provide them with a tag. Some documentation to show them the error and they will correct it if you lost out.
I also dont think they will pull a tag drawn in error.
Its not perfect thats for sure, but its far from broken.

[Dark Wing]

With over 60000 people applying for a bull moose tag I'm sure a mistake or two was made.

[deanmc]

Originally Posted by swampdonkey

A person I know got a bull moose tag in a Nov zone with a priority of zero, he said he has never put in for a moose tag before. This year that zone needed a 2 to have a slight chance of a tag.

I was waiting for the 2012 draw summary to be posted just to check the numbers.

I was with him when you looked at the WIN number info on Alberta Relm and it has him listed as being drawn. I even checked his history just to verify that he has never put in for a moose draw before, and he has not.

I always assumed the draw system was fair and bullet proof. I now have solid proof it is not.

That fire in Calgary has helped some people. I'm justing wondering how many people got #$#* by the draws.

http://mywildalberta.com/Hunting/Hun...t/Default.aspx

[deanmc]

Mine have worked as expected so far.

[ishootbambi]

i dont believe it for a second. show us some proof.

[Elkaholic523]

Pics or Its not true

[riden]

Originally Posted by Canuk

there is always the posibility that he 999 moose years back and forgot, or someone else did it for him.

or you are right and it was a glitch.

Just saying when we base "solid proof" of one persons word or memory it will eventually embarass us.

Either way, good for him!

Yup

My sons are all about work now, but I have pumped their priorites pretty high. They have no clue.

[duffy4]

Originally Posted by riden

Yup

My sons are all about work now, but I have pumped their priorites pretty high. They have no clue.

One day they will apply and get drawn and tell their friends "I had never applied for moose in this zone and I got drawn first time". And the friend will say"&*%%$## I have been applying the last 4 years and still didn't get drawn...THE DRAW SYSTEM IF FLAWED!!!!!

"And now you know the rest of the story"

[hal53]

Originally Posted by duffy4

One day they will apply and get drawn and tell their friends "I had never applied for moose in this zone and I got drawn first time". And the friend will say"&*%%$## I have been applying the last 4 years and still didn't get drawn...THE DRAW SYSTEM IF FLAWED!!!!!

"And now you know the rest of the story"

Huh????.....

[elkhunter11]

THE DRAW SYSTEM IF FLAWED!!!!!

IF FLAWED? That's a big IF.

[Rackmastr]

Originally Posted by hal53

Huh????.....

Sometimes watching Duffy use the internet is like watching a Rhino eat a banana.....

However, in this case I actually DID understand what he was trying to say!!

[duffy4]

Originally Posted by elkhunter11

IF FLAWED? That's a big IF.

....IS FLAWED was my intent of course.

Do Rhinos eat bananas? I didn't know that. Are you really talking about rhinos or are you calling antelope rhinos now?

[Rackmastr]

Originally Posted by duffy4

....IS FLAWED was my intent of course.

Do Rhinos eat bananas? I didn't know that. Are you really talking about rhinos or are you calling antelope rhinos now?

Haha Duff it's surprising but I actually chuckled when I posted Rhino and wondered if you'd call me on using a slang word. Too funny....and that seriously gave me a good chuckle this morning....

[Sneeze]

Originally Posted by ishootbambi

i dont believe it for a second. show us some proof.

I found this today.

Check out draw code 811.

I would imagine the data clerk creating this must have made a mistake?

http://www.mywildalberta.com/hunting...de-11-2012.pdf

There are two things wrong here....

[killerbren]

Originally Posted by Sneeze

I found this today.

Check out draw code 811.

I would imagine the data clerk creating this must have made a mistake?

http://www.mywildalberta.com/hunting...de-11-2012.pdf

There are two things wrong here....

Well, my guess is the guys with the priority 9 and 8 applied for the draw in a group, and even though their priority was 9 and 8, the group priority was much lower. Since applying in a group they take the priority of the lowest applicant, that could mean these people would not of gotten drawn. Another reason (although very very unlikely) is they already got drawn for another antelope tag, and since you cant hold more than one tag they would be disqualified from the others. This is probably unlikely since if you have a priority 9 you would probably know you were going to be drawn and therefore 999 that draw or the other draw.

as for drawing 6 tags in a zone with a quota of 5? Not too sure on this one. My guess is when they had the last tag to draw, they drew a person that was in a group of 2 therefore giving out one more tag. my guess.

[Rackmastr]

Originally Posted by killerbren

as for drawing 6 tags in a zone with a quota of 5? Not too sure on this one.

Happens when 2 applicants draw. One 'name' is drawn and the other is attached to it, so it goes over quota. Happened on WMU438 sheep tag a couple years ago. The hunters applied together so rather than 3 tags in the season, there were 4 issued.

And yep...as for the other higher priorities not drawing, I'm guessing killerbren has got it right and they applied with someone with a lower priority and didnt draw.

[killerbren]

rack, good call on the 6 tags, I guess I cant type fast enough

[Sneeze]

Good answers. I didn't think far enough outside the box. Would be nice to confirm, the over quota thing makes sense to me.

I have a hard time understanding why you would party up on a P9 however!

[Rackmastr]

Originally Posted by Sneeze

Good answers. I didn't think far enough outside the box. Would be nice to confirm, the over quota thing makes sense to me.

I have a hard time understanding why you would party up on a P9 however!

I know several guys that would rather partner up than to draw by themselves...regardless of priority. If your a P9 and live in Grande Prairie, an antelope hunt is a big trip!

[Sooner]

Is it possible this person grabbed an undersubscribed tag and thinks it's a draw?