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Old 06-04-2015, 06:32 AM
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You're at the point now where any gear changes to shave weight are going to start costing significant amounts of money. If you're ok with that, change out the tent, sleeping bag, and tripod. Those will equate into the biggest weight savings. I had a chance to try out my new Tigoat vertex tipi tent with stove on a bear hunt this spring and having that stove is a game changer on a cold morning (as well as being able to dry out gear). Check out the quilts at enlightened equipment, ordered mine a month ago, should be here by the end of June. Again not cheap, but the weight and size savings compared to my old bag will be substantial.
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Old 06-04-2015, 07:57 PM
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Thanks for the advice everyone.

Priority list for future purchases are: tripod, spotter and binos in that order.

The tipi and stove is something for consideration down the road. No real weight savings, but it would be like having a wall tent you can carry on your back.
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Old 06-04-2015, 09:07 PM
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Pillows can be made with anything. Deodorant my not be a good idea. Regarding weight savings.

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Old 06-04-2015, 09:10 PM
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If you want to save more weight ditch the knife and bring a 5 dollar pearing knife instead. Or a light weight Havalon. It's surprising how much a hunting knife weights. I haven't had a hunting knife me for 10 years unless I'm after moose, then you need one. I never bring a tripod. Use your pack as a rest. It's not as comfortable as using a tripod but it's sheep hunting. It's not supposed to be fun.
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Old 06-04-2015, 09:45 PM
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Thanks for the advice everyone.

Priority list for future purchases are: tripod, spotter and binos in that order.

The tipi and stove is something for consideration down the road. No real weight savings, but it would be like having a wall tent you can carry on your back.
A 10'x10' or 12' tarp can be pitched for summer heat or sudden blizzard without changing the 4 corner pegs.
Tipi shaped shelter is a waste of material and has to be specially sewed. It cannot be changed from a sun shade all sides open shelter to all sides fully closed in tight to the ground shelter from a windy rainstorm or blizzard.

You can spend lots of money on kifaru or T goat stoves and not have a stove that can cook a meal using less than 1 lb of wood.
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Old 06-05-2015, 11:12 AM
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When you cook with wood in the summer it is good to do it with as little heat (wood) as possible. If you have to carry wood up the mountain weight also becomes important. Charcoal has lots of heat with less weight than wood.

It only took me 1/2 a pound of wood this morning to cook raw potatoes, carrots and 1 1/2 liters of tea for two on my 30 ounce tin can stove/chimney.
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Old 06-05-2015, 11:19 AM
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Wood is a great back up but it a blizzard hits or a bad rain storm, dry wood is hard to come by and hard to burn in a tent or shelter when compared to a small stove.
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Old 06-06-2015, 12:48 AM
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If your any kind of outdoorsman enough wood is gathered and stowed away well before any storm or inclement weather comes in. It's called being prepared.
Easy to put enough wood inside your tipi or under a big spruce to get your clothes dry and take the edge off if the snow starts coming down.
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Old 06-06-2015, 01:31 AM
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Here is my recent list. Still a little tweaking to do.
Revision 4 sheep list 2014

Kuiu icon pro 720096 oz
Kuiu guide glove 3 oz
Kuiu super down hooded puffy 11 oz
Kuiu chugach jacket 18 oz
Kuiu chugach pant13.5 oz
Kuiu guide and merino beanie1.9 oz
2 pair merino socks5 oz
Icebreaker 200 weight long underwear6.9 oz
Vivo barefoot ultra (camp shoes)8 oz
Camp towel (2)1.6 oz
Total above164.9 oz or 10.3 pounds

Western mountaineering antelope/overfill 49 oz
Integral designs socal bivy 30 oz
Thermarest neoair xlite16 oz
Cocoon pillow 3 oz

Total above98 oz or 6.1 pounds

Kuiu bino harness and swaro 8.5 by 4237.4 oz
Sirui T-025X tripod and outdoorsman head32 oz
Swarovski sts 65 spotter48 oz
Total above117.4 oz or 7.3 pounds

Sil pack cover4.4 oz
Platypus big zip 3 liter 5.5 oz
Jetboil flash, fuel can, coffee cup,spoon27.5 oz
Zebra headlamp including battery3.6 oz
2 spare 18650 batteries3.3 oz
6 spare AA batteries3 oz
Garmin 60 csx including batteries8 oz
Kuiu drybag XL for boned meat2.1 oz
Bomb tags bags 10 oz
4 pairs rubber gloves2 oz
Havalon bolt and 6 blades2.2 oz
Loctite super glue1.95 oz
Spare Kevlar boot laces1 oz
2 tensor bandages2.1 oz
Strike force flint3.6 oz
Medical kit3.8 oz
200 feet iron wire and guy line6 oz
Fire starter2 oz
Mountain money in Ziploc4 oz
Baby wipes 5 oz
Pills in a bottle, tums3 oz
Duct tape around credit card1.5 oz
Camptek microburst3 oz
Total above109 oz or 6.8 pounds
Wilderness athlete superman mix5 oz
Earplugs.5 oz
Delorme inreach including batteries 8 oz
New trent extreme and iphone cord11.5 oz
Iphone 5s5 oz
Blistex.5 oz
Vias coffee packs (13)1.9 oz
Bic lighters.5 oz
Toothbrush and paste 1 oz
Spices.5 oz
Sawyer squeeze bags and filter6 oz
Gatorade bottle 1.3 oz
Plastic bowl1 oz
Kifaru field chair14 oz
Sheep tag and license??
Couple small ziplocs for berries??
Thermarest lite seat3.6 oz
Lens pen. .69 oz
Total above60.3 oz or 3.77 pounds

Seek outside 6 man tipi and carbon pole77.8 oz
20 stakes 9.8 oz
Large wifi stove and pipe 48 oz
Total above135.6 oz or 8.5 pounds
Total above gear is 685.2 oz or 42.8 pounds

Food weights (mountain house)
Mac and cheese7.9 oz x5 = 39.5 0z4700 calories
Chicken alfredo7.0 oz x3 = 21.0 oz2220 calories
Beef stroganoff/noodle5.9 oz x2 = 11.8 oz1240 calories
Turkey tettrazini5.2 oz x2 = 10.4 oz1080 calories
Pantry cheesecake5.4 oz x2 = 10.8 oz1080 calories
Quaker porridge (2)3.3 oz x6 = 19.8 oz1920 calories
(4) oh henry2.4 oz x4 = 9.6 oz1120 calories
(4) snickers2.1 oz x4 = 8.4 oz1112 calories
2 cups almonds4.0 oz x2 = 8 oz1644 calories
2 cups Costco trail mix6.6 oz x2 = 13.2 oz1680 calories
Total weight. 152.5 oz or 9.5 pounds 17796 calories
That averages out to 2966 calories per day
Total with food is 837.7 oz or 52.4 pounds.
Total pack weight with food is 52.84 pounds. Water is 2 pounds per liter probably start out with 1 liter
Total 54.84 pounds
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Old 06-07-2015, 01:33 PM
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Hey guys have a quick question for you what’s your thought I will be packing my Leica 10X42 Geovids and my rifle is topped with a Night force 5.5x22-56MM scope, do you guys think I should also pack the spotting scope just looking at weight I realize its easier for my eyes to do the hiking then me. My partner will most likely be packing his we can share if required.
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Old 06-07-2015, 02:44 PM
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Hey guys have a quick question for you what’s your thought I will be packing my Leica 10X42 Geovids and my rifle is topped with a Night force 5.5x22-56MM scope, do you guys think I should also pack the spotting scope just looking at weight I realize its easier for my eyes to do the hiking then me. My partner will most likely be packing his we can share if required.
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That one is going to be up to you. Usually we bring one if theres two of us and share it. Each use our binos and when we find possibles use the glass for a closer look. But make sure you guys have one with you its a must.
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That one is going to be up to you. Usually we bring one if theres two of us and share it. Each use our binos and when we find possibles use the glass for a closer look. But make sure you guys have one with you its a must.
Thanks thats kinda what I figured
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Old 06-07-2015, 08:00 PM
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If your any kind of outdoorsman enough wood is gathered and stowed away well before any storm or inclement weather comes in. It's called being prepared.
Easy to put enough wood inside your tipi or under a big spruce to get your clothes dry and take the edge off if the snow starts coming down.
Keep it together, rob.
Or you can pack a small portable stove and spend the time you would have spent gathering wood, out hunting or spotting.
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I see about 1.5 lb weight savings that will make you money. Drop the 56 mm scope and get a 450$ Leupold ultralight. Also ditch every spare battery, not required.
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Or you can pack a small portable stove and spend the time you would have spent gathering wood, out hunting or spotting.
How long does it take to find 1 1/2 lbs. of wood for the days cooking?

How much does the fuel and container weigh for the gas stove? How do you know how much fuel you will need, you might run out if you stay longer?

Do you like cooking outside in the wind and maybe rain? Do you risk your life or health cooking inside the tent without a chimney?
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Old 06-07-2015, 09:42 PM
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I am not talking about cooking. The titanium stove is for heating the shelter, drying out your soaked gear and cooking sheep meat.
I use a jetboil to boil water fast and get back to glassing and hunting.
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Old 06-07-2015, 10:36 PM
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The titanium stove is an awesome add to a pack hunt in my opinion. Having that heat when it snows 10" of wet snow or rains all day is well worth the weight penalty. I leave the jet boil at home so that makes the net weight penalty around 2 pounds. It only takes a few minutes to bring a couple cups of water to a boil.
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Old 06-08-2015, 12:29 AM
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Mad mountain, I agree that one could leave the jetboil but in early season especially the heat may not be warranted and the jetboil is great for boiling up the water for your daily meals.
There is nothing else to replenish moral, have dry gear and make it a little easier to crawl out of the sleeping bag than a nice light wood stove burning on those cool wet mornings.
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Old 06-08-2015, 07:16 AM
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Kats How do you like your Seek Outside 6 person tent? Do you think it could work as both a backpacking tent year round as well as a family tent during the summer? Also how is it without a floor. Do you get any bugs or rodents in it? Just wondering as they look like awesome tents.
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If your backpackers wood stove cannot keep a cooktop hot burning 2 or 3 sticks 1/2" in diameter or 2 charcoal brickets then you should leave it home. That is if you are traveling in summer or above the tree line.
If your stove does not have a chimney it should stay home
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Old 06-08-2015, 11:46 AM
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I can get a 3 hour burn with 3-4" dia wood and the stove choked off. Travelling alone it's a little heavy to pack camp and a ram but travelling with a partner it's more than doable.
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Old 06-08-2015, 03:58 PM
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Raab, so far it has been awesome.
How big is your family?
For 2 guys with backpacks, wood stove and some dry wood piled up it is just right.
If not running the stove could probably do 4 in a reasonable fashion.
You stake it tight to the ground but yeah you will still get some bugs and have heard of guys having mice crawl in. Just something that has to be dealt with going floorless. It is super nice to be able to almost stand upright and wear your boots in and out.
Any other questions just ask.
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Raab, so far it has been awesome.
How big is your family?
For 2 guys with backpacks, wood stove and some dry wood piled up it is just right.
If not running the stove could probably do 4 in a reasonable fashion.
You stake it tight to the ground but yeah you will still get some bugs and have heard of guys having mice crawl in. Just something that has to be dealt with going floorless. It is super nice to be able to almost stand upright and wear your boots in and out.
Any other questions just ask.
Keep it together, rob
Thanks Katts. The family is just me, the wife and our two small children so it sounds like that would work for a bit until the kids get older. Do you wish you had got the 8 man version for the weight difference or do you find the 6 man more then enough for the majority of outings?
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Old 06-08-2015, 05:55 PM
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Raab, honestly cannot remember when we shopped for it the difference in weight but The sheep partner was thinking four man and I said we better go 6 and I am very glad we did.
One thing to know is if running any single layer sil nylon tent you will get condensation in cool and or damp weather. This can be limited running a liner or having the wood stove to take the condensation.
We prefer the latter.
If summer camping only you should have no issue with the family as temps are generally mild
Hope that helps.
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Here is my gear list for this coming sheep season. Not included is what I wear: boots, gaiters, pants, collared shirt, and hat. Also water and food is not included. Usually walk around with one litre. I keep a flat bottle handy to fill up and chug at streams. Food will be around 1.5# per day with a little extra.

Pack/Gun.................... Pound#........ Ounce
Sky 7400, 2 belt pouches, weapon sling.... 4# 14
Pack cover ......... 4.5
Tikka 3006, scope cover, ammo sleeve, tape........ 6# 11
15 rounds........... 14.5

Sleep stuff
Tent (northface stormfront 1)........ 3#.... 5
Bag (zpacks -12).... 1#..... 8
Neoair pad..... 12.5
Siltarp 1....... 8
Ground sheet...... 1.5

Optics
Spotter (Razor 65), cover...... 3#.... 4.25
Tripod (silk compact II)..... 1#..... 5.25
Binos (Zeiss Terra 10x42)..... 1#..... 8.75
Harness, cover..... 2
Rangefinder (leupold 1000 tbr)....... 7.5
Optics cloth ....... 1
Glassing pad......... 2.75

Cooking (2 weeks fuel)
Jetboil Sol+100g fuel (cup & burner only) ......1#... 0
230g fuel......... 13
Cup, spoon, extra spoon......... 2.5

Electronics/Navigation
SPOT, 4AAA......... 4
GPS, 2AA (no case)........ 7.5
Camera (no case)......... 4.25
Batteries 4AAA, 2AA......... 2
Maps .........1
Compass & Mirror......... 1.25

Clothing
Rain gear (OR jacket, kryptek pants)........ 1#....... 10
Puffy (kelvin lite)......... 13.75
Merino shirt......... 8
Sock x1......... 4.5
Underwear x1......... 3
Toque......... 2.25
Mechanix Gloves ......... 2
Mitts ......... 4.5
Neck gaitor ........ 1.5
Dry bags x2 (clothes, sleep stuff) ........... 3.5
Wiggys waders......... 10


Kill kit......... 1# .......0
2 game bags, dry bag, tags, pliers,
plastic sheet, havalon x10 blades,
latex gloves x2,

First Aid kit ............ 6
pain killers, med tape, bandages, polysporin,
waterproof matches, strips for cuts, tensor,
eye drops, zip ties, pen/paper, ear plug,

Toiletries ........... 7.5
tooth brush/paste, floss, TP, wet wipes,
nail clippers,

Other items
Trekking poles...... 1#....... 3
Bear spray.......... 12.25
Knife ........... 4.25
Headlamp, 3AAA......... 2.5
small headlamp........ 1
Water bladder 2L ........ 4
Flat bottle 1L x2 ......... 2
Bic lighters x2......... 1
Fire sticks x3.......... 1.5
1.8mm cord 50ft. ........ 1
Sun/Eye glasses & case ......... 4
Towel ......... 1.5
Sunblock .......... 2.5
Lip balm........... 1
Gorilla tape .......... 1
Leukotape p.......... 0.25
Tenacious tape.......... 0.75
Zip locks.......... 1


Total......... 23#....... 267 oz.

This gear only list (no food or water) is just under 40#. Might leave the wiggys depending on area. I've had everything in the mountains, but haven't had a chance to test the kill kit on a ram.....yet. Will change out a few things before season opener. Want to go to a floor less shelter next year with a wood stove, but my tiny tent is good for now. Salt will be stashed or will pack 1# of it.

I am open to any suggestions. Thanks to all who posted their lists and tips.
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Hey guys have a quick question for you what’s your thought I will be packing my Leica 10X42 Geovids and my rifle is topped with a Night force 5.5x22-56MM scope, do you guys think I should also pack the spotting scope just looking at weight I realize its easier for my eyes to do the hiking then me. My partner will most likely be packing his we can share if required.
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Take a spotting scope....
I wouldn't go sheep hunting with out one

As for the Nightforce , been there done that
Now using a Z5 3.5x18x44
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Well now that I've got a season or two under my belt 😉

Some of the best things I can't live with out...

My food scale , only nothing weighs nothing
Allan Carr's ...Easy Way To Quit Smoking
My gun holder to free my hands for trekin poles


Good pack , boots & glass

Mountain hunting isnt easy, you test your body and mind.
Your body can take more then 99% of what people think
Your mind is the most important, stay in the game , if you lose that , pull out
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If not solo, a miniature deck of cards to wile away rainy days or play while glassing
This is fun , even if your partner couldn't play crib to save his life
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