Go Back   Alberta Outdoorsmen Forum > Main Category > Guns & Ammo Discussion

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 02-20-2013, 06:07 PM
260 Rem 260 Rem is offline
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: East Central Alberta
Posts: 8,315
Default My factory hunting rifle shoots under .75" all day, Really, Prove it!

This CHALLENGE for the shooters not prepared to attempt either of the 1/2" Challenges. The Rules are the Rules. No whining or complaining.
THE RULES
- Rifles are restricted to unmodified factory rifles with muzzle diameters under .75"
(No heavy barreled varmint rigs)
- No modifications to stock, trigger,etc. No aftermarket stocks or barrels.
- No rest restrictions, so from lead sled to off-hand.
- To post, must show five consecutive groups of three shots in each group--- on one target panel... with no group exceeding .75" measured C to C. Five groups only, not best five out of seven.
- Target distance must be 100M, but 100 yds is OK for shooters not into metric.
- Must post target picture showing all five groups under 0.75" with calipers showing measurment over the largest group. Write the size of each group under the group. Provide the five group average. No coins or other items which could hide a flier.
- Successful challengers must post a picture of the groups and the rifle as shot, including rest...bags...fence post...
NOTE: There are no caliber or bullet restrictions.
High end factory rifles including Cooper, HS Precision are permitted.
Shooting can take place during legal hunting hours and at any temperature to simulate real world conditions

Last edited by 260 Rem; 02-20-2013 at 06:22 PM.
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 02-20-2013, 07:03 PM
Dick284's Avatar
Dick284 Dick284 is offline
 
Join Date: May 2007
Location: Dreadful Valley
Posts: 14,586
Default

I'm out, all my factory rifles are bedded, and have the triggers tweaked.
__________________


There are no absolutes
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 02-20-2013, 07:19 PM
260 Rem 260 Rem is offline
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: East Central Alberta
Posts: 8,315
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Dick284 View Post
I'm out, all my factory rifles are bedded, and have the triggers tweaked.
RULE CLARIFICATION/ Modification
Good point Dick
Tweaking factory triggers OK as long as it is only for pull weight, creep, and overtravel. No new trigger parts.
Glass bedding OK (some factory rifles Browning are bedded so this change will even the requirements.) But, no after factory pillars installed.
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 02-20-2013, 07:23 PM
Dick284's Avatar
Dick284 Dick284 is offline
 
Join Date: May 2007
Location: Dreadful Valley
Posts: 14,586
Default

Well then, here's hoping for this weekend
__________________


There are no absolutes
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 02-20-2013, 08:43 PM
Twisted Canuck's Avatar
Twisted Canuck Twisted Canuck is offline
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: GP AB
Posts: 16,208
Default

Well, I think my rifle could do it, but I'm also pretty confident that I personally couldn't do it. I have a Remington 700, Boone & Crockett edition (laminate, with fluted barrel), bedded and trigger tuned at Corlanes, chambered in 7mm08. I shot this 5 round group at Wapiti shooter's Club here, and it is probably the best group I have ever shot. I can't prove my rifle can meet this challenge, because frankly I don't have the shooting skills others on this board have. But I am pretty confident that with the right person behind it, my rifle could probably meet the challenge. I have a VX3, 3-9 x 40 on this rifle, and was shooting 140 gr Nosler partitions, Federal Premium factory loads (I don't reload yet). I'd honestly like to see what this rifle could do with a better man behind the trigger. I think that the best I could manage with your criteria is probably in the 1"-1 1/4" range, on a good day.

__________________
'Once the monkeys learn they can vote themselves a banana, they'll never climb another tree.'. Robert Heinlein

'You can accomplish a lot more with a kind word and a gun, than with a kind word alone.' Al Capone
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 02-20-2013, 08:50 PM
bsmitty27 bsmitty27 is offline
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: East of the big smoke
Posts: 1,496
Default

Getting closer! 8-)
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 02-21-2013, 01:01 PM
260 Rem 260 Rem is offline
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: East Central Alberta
Posts: 8,315
Default

Feb 21- just back from the Range where I was fortunate to have some "real world" conditions with temp at -7C, light cross wind from behind, intermitent light snow. Didn't have enough loads for my 308 Win hunting rifle to shoot all groups with the same load... so had to go with two different batches..as you see, the three groups with the 165 Sierra Game Kings shoot well in this rifle...the 168 Berger Hunting VLD's not quite so good.
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 02-21-2013, 01:05 PM
260 Rem 260 Rem is offline
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: East Central Alberta
Posts: 8,315
Default

Rifle is out-of-the-box .... TC ICON Weathershield chambered in 308 Win. The trigger is adjustable but I can't seem to get this one much below 4 lbs.
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 02-21-2013, 06:21 PM
jeepster jeepster is offline
 
Join Date: May 2011
Posts: 30
Smile

Are you happy? Groups look great. That TC shoots better that most custom/specialty rifles that I've seen!
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 02-21-2013, 06:58 PM
260 Rem 260 Rem is offline
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: East Central Alberta
Posts: 8,315
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by jeepster View Post
Are you happy? Groups look great. That TC shoots better that most custom/specialty rifles that I've seen!
I would have been happier if I would have had enough of the Sierra 165's loaded to shoot all five groups. There was tension during the two groups with Bergers. A good reminder of why I don't shoot competatively. Also, remember these are only three shot groups, but this rifle does typically shoot 5 shot groups in the .6" range.
EDIT: Just checked pull weight - average 3.5lbs, but breaks clean with no overtravel.
Reply With Quote
  #11  
Old 02-21-2013, 07:05 PM
bulletman bulletman is offline
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Posts: 1,103
Default groups

Nice groups 260!
Reply With Quote
  #12  
Old 02-25-2013, 11:29 AM
260 Rem 260 Rem is offline
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: East Central Alberta
Posts: 8,315
Default

Although shooting 3 shot groups feels like cheating, I buried my pride again and dug out an old favorite that I haven't shot in years. My last shooting with this rifle was in my "pre Berger" days, so I thought I would do so some load testing while taking the challenge. Shot at 100M ..Two groups on right were with 43.0gr H4350, center with 43.3, and two left with 43.6gr...the last groups showed a bit of pressure. Rifle is stock Cooper Model 22 in 260 Rem.


Reply With Quote
  #13  
Old 02-25-2013, 04:39 PM
260 Rem 260 Rem is offline
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: East Central Alberta
Posts: 8,315
Default

Better view of stock, and the reason this rifle is still with me after several years.
Reply With Quote
  #14  
Old 03-02-2013, 06:10 PM
260 Rem 260 Rem is offline
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: East Central Alberta
Posts: 8,315
Default

Weather was great today (Sat)...if you didn't get out today, you may be out-of-luck for a few days...snowing!
Reply With Quote
  #15  
Old 03-02-2013, 10:20 PM
Lefty-Canuck's Avatar
Lefty-Canuck Lefty-Canuck is offline
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Look behind you :)
Posts: 27,775
Default

If I wasn't at an archery tournament I would be out shooting

LC
__________________
Reply With Quote
  #16  
Old 03-20-2013, 02:26 PM
260 Rem 260 Rem is offline
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: East Central Alberta
Posts: 8,315
Default

To date. March 20, still only two rifles with successful group pictures? What's up? We've had typical hunting weather. Come on shooters!
Reply With Quote
  #17  
Old 04-19-2013, 12:52 PM
260 Rem 260 Rem is offline
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: East Central Alberta
Posts: 8,315
Default

To date, April 19th and still only two factory rifles to show ... Load'em up and shoot this weekend.
Reply With Quote
  #18  
Old 05-19-2013, 12:31 PM
260 Rem 260 Rem is offline
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: East Central Alberta
Posts: 8,315
Default

This Challenge migrated from Sipers Hide in 2012 to Gunnutz where it was posted by Underthegun on Jan 21, 2013..and was again re-posted (by myself) to AO on Feb 20, 2013. It has been "stickied" on Gunnutz (Hunting and Sporting Arms Forum) so it is easy to find for challengers, and to date it has had over 17,000 views with four different shooters meeting the original challenge requirements for posting. On the re-post, I did not carry forward the Gunnutz practice of tracking the "smallest" group or "smallest average" in order to keep it a CHALLENGE as opposed to a competition.
Reply With Quote
  #19  
Old 10-04-2013, 09:24 AM
260 Rem 260 Rem is offline
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: East Central Alberta
Posts: 8,315
Default

This should add a little spice to those who feel inclined to take up the CHALLENGE now that all the factory hunting rifles are out of the safe.
Reply With Quote
  #20  
Old 10-04-2013, 09:38 AM
forgesmith forgesmith is offline
 
Join Date: Jul 2013
Location: West of Innisfail a few miles
Posts: 219
Default Nice piece of wood

Quote:
Originally Posted by 260 Rem View Post
Better view of stock, and the reason this rifle is still with me after several years.
Nice to see some wood that is a pleasure to look at. So much black these days
Reply With Quote
  #21  
Old 10-05-2013, 08:34 AM
twispi twispi is offline
 
Join Date: Nov 2012
Posts: 127
Default

Well I head out today shooting. Getting ready to hunt northern alberta next week. Last time I was out had about .6 groups. see if I can keep my shooting consistent enough to get to post pictures
Reply With Quote
  #22  
Old 10-05-2013, 10:33 AM
Icefisher2885 Icefisher2885 is offline
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Posts: 460
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by forgesmith View Post
Nice to see some wood that is a pleasure to look at. So much black these days
I agree - I have a couple black rifles too, but there is nothing more beautiful than a fine piece of figured wood for a rifle stock.
Reply With Quote
  #23  
Old 10-10-2013, 10:39 AM
300backfire 300backfire is offline
 
Join Date: Nov 2012
Posts: 321
Default

I humbly come to this thread with defeat in my bones. best group .725. after that it started going south. a three shot group is one thing, but 5 is quite another, and to do it 5 times yet? my hat goes off to all you guys that can do it. maybe another 10 yrs and $30,000 dallars in ammo. until then ill hang my head and slither back to my basement
Reply With Quote
  #24  
Old 12-10-2013, 08:02 PM
260 Rem 260 Rem is offline
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: East Central Alberta
Posts: 8,315
Default

Any interest
Reply With Quote
  #25  
Old 12-10-2013, 08:29 PM
silver silver is offline
 
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: Maidstone Sask
Posts: 2,793
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by 260 Rem View Post
Any interest
Yes, there is. I have a rifle or two that shows promise. I have one that has shown moments of brilliance. It may be that I have finally found my problem and the solution. Or maybe not.

If I can get some days off when it isn't blowing a gale, I may get a chance to shoot a group or two. I may be able to find out if my theory is right or if I am flailing in the dark.

I may even have a big bore that has shown promise.
Reply With Quote
  #26  
Old 12-14-2013, 11:10 PM
qmurphy qmurphy is offline
 
Join Date: Sep 2012
Posts: 116
Default

So what do you guys think would be a realistic average for off the shelf hunting rifles? 1.5"?
Reply With Quote
  #27  
Old 12-14-2013, 11:36 PM
260 Rem 260 Rem is offline
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: East Central Alberta
Posts: 8,315
Default

I doubt there are any studies on factory fresh rifle groups, but I think the number of sucesses in to date in this thread would suggest there may a limited number that will do the repeat shot performance called for in this thread. I hear a fair number "under 1MOA claims" but haven't seen any go five in a row.
Reply With Quote
  #28  
Old 12-14-2013, 11:48 PM
Pathfinder76 Pathfinder76 is offline
 
Join Date: May 2007
Posts: 15,773
Default

I'm still wondering when I'm going to get 15 shots at a deer off a bench.
__________________
“I love it when clients bring Berger bullets. It means I get to kill the bear.”

-Billy Molls
Reply With Quote
  #29  
Old 12-15-2013, 08:54 AM
Bushrat's Avatar
Bushrat Bushrat is offline
 
Join Date: May 2007
Posts: 6,898
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by chuck View Post
I'm still wondering when I'm going to get 15 shots at a deer off a bench.
I've heard the best deer stand is a Concrete Bench. Deer is easy to kill, paper is a different story.
Reply With Quote
  #30  
Old 02-02-2014, 09:56 AM
260 Rem 260 Rem is offline
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: East Central Alberta
Posts: 8,315
Default

Well, it's been nearly a year...and I'm back from Palm Springs (again). Bumping this thread to see if there is interest among Tikka shooters ...well, anybody really Remember, it's just a Challenge, not a contest. Have fun, and do some shooting.
Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -6. The time now is 02:01 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.5
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.