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[canuck]

Livingstone - Porcupine Hills Footprint and Recreation Planning

The Livingstone-Porcupine Hills area is known internationally for its rich biodiversity, iconic viewscapes, and diversity of climate regimes and ecosystems. The South Saskatchewan Regional Plan (SSRP 2014, amended 2017) establishes the long-term vision for the region and identifies the need for subregional planning to improve the management of cumulative effects of human disturbance on public land. SSRP identified this area of public land in southwestern Alberta as a priority for Land Footprint and Recreation Management planning.

Southern Alberta’s Eastern Slopes are highly valued landscapes for their natural resources, biodiversity and are the source of most of the region’s drinking water. Forestry, energy and mining, tourism, recreation, and grazing are among the primary uses around rural communities in this part of the province. Growing population pressure and the diverse interests that converge on this landscape have led to a need to focus resource and environmental management for its long-term health and use.

This land has also provided shelter, food, medicine and enabled a way of life for Indigenous Peoples. It continues to be culturally significant to a number of First Nations communities for a variety of traditional uses, ceremonies and exercising Treaty Rights.

Managing this part of Alberta has implications far beyond its borders. The Livingstone and Porcupine Hills, along with the Castle, are subregions of the Eastern Slopes that form important components of the Crown of the Continent landscape. The Crown of the Continent includes the headwaters of the South Saskatchewan, Missouri and Columbia River systems and is critical for providing clean water for downstream use. Understanding how these subregions connect, and how to accommodate an appropriate mix of uses and activities are important dimensions of landscape management. In recognition of these multiple values, the Castle area became part of the province’s network of conservation areas, and the Livingstone and Porcupine Hills continue to be multiple-use public lands.

Why is the Government of Alberta Consulting Now?
The provincial government began engaging with stakeholders and First Nations in 2015 to develop the draft Livingstone-Porcupine Hills Land Footprint and Recreation Management Plans. A number of information meetings and workshops have been held with participants from multiple sectors and communities (e.g. First Nations, municipalities, landowners, recreationists, industry, NGOs). The feedback and information gathered has been used to inform the development of the draft plans. Treaty 6 and Treaty 7 First Nations were engaged through the SSRP Implementation Table and through one-on-one meetings to gather their ideas and perspectives.

Your feedback is important to us as we continue to better understand how cumulative effects will shape our social, environmental and economic values on this multiple-use landscape. This is a shared responsibility!

Please take the time to complete the surveys and provide your thoughts on the draft Livingstone-Porcupine Hills Land Footprint and Recreation Management plans. By registering to take the surveys, you will be able to save your progress and return later as needed. Each survey takes a minimum of 30 minutes to complete if you try all the questions. The surveys have been prepared with all questions being optional, giving you the opportunity to skip questions that you are not interested in, or do not have the expertise to respond. If you are working off of a phone or tablet, we recommend you print off the plans to make it easier to reference.

*Please note: Near the end of each survey you will have an opportunity to provide detailed comments in an essay box with unlimited space.

Surveys will be open until 4:00 pm on Thursday April 26, 2018.

Supporting Documents
The draft Livingstone-Porcupine Hills Land Footprint and Recreation Management Plans can be found in the Document Library to the right of the survey. In addition, a narrative about public land in Alberta has been prepared to provide additional context for the planning area and to describe the challenges of managing such a diverse and important landscape.


https://talkaep.alberta.ca/livingsto...ation-planning

[Newview01]

Lol.

Some of us knew this would happen. Others, not so much.

[Taco]

lmao

About time!

[LKILR]

Originally Posted by Taco

lmao

About time!

X 10. Some changes are in order for sure. Oh the tears from the OHV community! Lol.

[HoytCRX32]

Unfortunately, they are using the generic term "human footprint" as in "Reducing human footprint over time". This is a catch all and can refer to everything from a single hunter to a massive forestry operation.

[fainthopeacres]

Thanks for posting Canuck - as a hunter this will affect me big time as random camping and hunting go hand in hand for us big time as well as many other hunters. But - at least this is only temporary as this rein of ridiculousness is coming to a screeching halt in 2019 ;o)

[LKILR]

Originally Posted by fainthopeacres

Thanks for posting Canuck - as a hunter this will affect me big time as random camping and hunting go hand in hand for us big time as well as many other hunters. But - at least this is only temporary as this rein of ridiculousness is coming to a screeching halt in 2019 ;o)

Nothing ridiculous about setting sights on conservation. The days of the free for all are over. Unregulated camping and OHV use has left a large human footprint in the porcupine and Livingstone area. Not to mention the huge footprint left behind due to logging.

[Masterchief]

Originally Posted by HoytCRX32

Unfortunately, they are using the generic term "human footprint" as in "Reducing human footprint over time". This is a catch all and can refer to everything from a single hunter to a massive forestry operation.

agreed... it's scary because they will push as far as they can, taking out one area and one activity at a time until there is nothing left

[Taco]

Damn straight this must be allowed to continue! What the hell was I thinking?!













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[Taco]

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[goldscud]

But Taco it's my Right to destroy habitat

[pikergolf]

Thrash and trash. Rock on boys.

[dmcbride]

A few bad apples and some glorified pictures, while the majority of users loose rights. Selfish.

[Sledhead71]

Originally Posted by goldscud

But Taco it's my Right to destroy habitat

Originally Posted by pikergolf

Thrash and trash. Rock on boys.

You do realize that there is no single user group which do not have idiots which ultimately cast doubt on the survival of these groups.

Picking the low lying fruit and dividing all outdoorsmen and women will destroy any and all activities for future generations.

Enforcement of laws which already exist should be the discussion, not closures or more restrictions.

[dmcbride]

Originally Posted by Sledhead71

You do realize that there is no single user group which do not have idiots which ultimately cast doubt on the survival of these groups.

Picking the low lying fruit and dividing all outdoorsmen and women will destroy any and all activities for future generations.

Enforcement of laws which already exist should be the discussion, not closures or more restrictions.

Bingo!

Lots of solutions to this problem that don't involve banning.

[Newview01]

Typical of the left / ban camp.

Cherry picking evidence, pushing a self serving agenda.

95% of what you call "damage" is cause by 5% of the users.

And because of that you wish to ban OHV users?

[pikergolf]

Originally Posted by dmcbride

A few bad apples and some glorified pictures, while the majority of users loose rights. Selfish.

Yes saving something for future generations, one of the most selfish acts there is. Thrash and trash, entirely selfless.

[dmcbride]

Originally Posted by pikergolf

Yes saving something for future generations, one of the most selfish acts there is. Thrash and trash, entirely selfless.

What are we saving if no one can access it?

[pikergolf]

Originally Posted by dmcbride

What are we saving if no one can access it?

But you can access it, use your quads (legs).

[slopeshunter]

Originally Posted by LKILR

Nothing ridiculous about setting sights on conservation. The days of the free for all are over. Unregulated camping and OHV use has left a large human footprint in the porcupine and Livingstone area. Not to mention the huge footprint left behind due to logging.

Agreed.

[Taco]

Originally Posted by Newview01

Typical of the left / ban camp.

Cherry picking evidence, pushing a self serving agenda.

95% of what you call "damage" is cause by 5% of the users.

And because of that you wish to ban OHV users?

Pretty funny about the left/ban camp considerin' I was carryin' a Reform Party membership back when Preston thought 2 or 3 dozen people at an organizational meeting was a pretty good turnout.

Try again hoss.

[Taco]

Try reading this and then comment because IMO it's pretty damn grounded in reality.

http://oldmanwatershed.ca/blog-posts...g-what-we-love

[Newview01]

Originally Posted by Taco

Pretty funny about the left/ban camp considerin' I was carryin' a Reform Party membership back when Preston thought 2 or 3 dozen people at an organizational meeting was a pretty good turnout.

Try again hoss.

Ok, we'll stick with ban camp.

And self-serving.

[dmcbride]

Originally Posted by pikergolf

But you can access it, use your quads (legs).

My idea of wilderness isn't paying to camp at a campground.

[Newview01]

Originally Posted by Taco

Try reading this and then comment because IMO it's pretty damn grounded in reality.

http://oldmanwatershed.ca/blog-posts...g-what-we-love

Yes, it sure is. It also seems to cater to all outdoor groups. I am surprised you agree with it.

[bezzola]

I know a guy he is an activist in Edmonton goes on all the protests and is complaining all the time. Last year i seen him and his flipping jeep stuck in the river at cadomin.
Didnt take me long to snap some pics

[pikergolf]

Originally Posted by dmcbride

My idea of wilderness isn't paying to camp at a campground.

And my idea isn't the chit show that is happening now. The wild west is over. To many people doing to much damage, some people say enough before others will.

[jcrayford]

Careful what you wish for... Start by banning one user group, then pretty easy to amend those rules to include another user group, then another and another.... Soon, only those employed by the Government are allowed in for "research" purposes....

And I do agree with Sledhead - enforce the existing laws with a lot more teeth! One drone operated by a CO can cover 36 square miles very quickly all while recording evidence against that 5% of idiots ruining it for all users. Then give out tickets with supporting video evidence in the neighborhood of $10,000. A couple of instances of these kinds of tickets and I'm sure that the 5% would very quickly avoid water courses and cross on bridges (because you can't hear that drone when your toy is running)

Just a thought.... Drones are really cheap. My company buys professional level drones for less than $2000 and they take incredible photos / videos from 400 feet up.

J.

Edit - could be a good business plan for the summer season! Contract yourself out to Alberta Environment....

[Sledhead71]

Originally Posted by Taco

Try reading this and then comment because IMO it's pretty damn grounded in reality.

http://oldmanwatershed.ca/blog-posts...g-what-we-love

I wonder if the author would defend his passion of angling if this recreation was being restricted and discussed ?

The environmental impact of angling is real, there is the issues of overfishing, pollution, littering, ext....

There are experts who warn that if we continue to allow recreational angling there will be more species at risk or even extinct...

We probably should restrict angling or even shut done, especially in the pristine Eastern Slopes to allow future generations to take pictures and play angling games on electrical devices...

Originally Posted by pikergolf

And my idea isn't the chit show that is happening now. The wild west is over. To many people doing to much damage, some people say enough before others will.

You sir need a Snickers... Your shooting passion will be next, do you really think the general public wants ranges or you to discharge your weapons on crown land ? News flash, they don't.... Your group has it's own issues and problems, just like the group we are discussing...

Allowing the snowflakes to remove recreational activities is not the answer... Enforcement of current laws and stiffer penalties must be tabled and discussed and user groups need to bind together... Divide and Concur is the path we are taking.

[st99]

Originally Posted by jcrayford

Careful what you wish for... Start by banning one user group, then pretty easy to amend those rules to include another user group, then another and another.... Soon, only those employed by the Government are allowed in for "research" purposes....

And I do agree with Sledhead - enforce the existing laws with a lot more teeth! One drone operated by a CO can cover 36 square miles very quickly all while recording evidence against that 5% of idiots ruining it for all users. Then give out tickets with supporting video evidence in the neighborhood of $10,000. A couple of instances of these kinds of tickets and I'm sure that the 5% would very quickly avoid water courses and cross on bridges (because you can't hear that drone when your toy is running)

Just a thought.... Drones are really cheap. My company buys professional level drones for less than $2000 and they take incredible photos / videos from 400 feet up.

J.

Edit - could be a good business plan for the summer season! Contract yourself out to Alberta Environment....

x2, and could had new regulations like no tire with tread over 3/4"