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Old 11-03-2012, 08:37 PM
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Rocky Mountain House newspaper the Mountaineer of October 30, 2012 reported that Ron
Allan of Edmonton was fined $6,000 for illegally catching six bull trout and keeping them while fishing with bait, 3 rods and barbed hooks on the North Saskatchewan River. The poaching incident happened August 5 and the bust was the result of a call to Report a Poacher. The Crown dropped eight more charges. He also lost his gear and got a license suspension for a year.

Thought that some of you might be interested.

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Old 11-03-2012, 09:00 PM
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good to hear, too bad the rest got dropped
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Old 11-03-2012, 09:07 PM
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good to hear, too bad the rest got dropped
x2. Thanks for posting this Don!
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Old 11-06-2012, 08:01 AM
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x2. Thanks for posting this Don!
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Old 11-06-2012, 08:57 AM
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Federal Enforcement notification website:

Environment Canada Enforcement Notifications

Once its in the courts its public knowledge, no reason Alberta couldn't do this for court convicitons (every ticket might be a little much).
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Old 11-03-2012, 09:12 PM
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Figured this would be a good spot for an idea I have,,, let's say we create a pay as you go fishing license as do you really think this poacher will stop poaching?

Here's my idea,,, everybody buys a flat rate fishing license the regular way, and everytime you head out you stop by a roadway or gas station setup with a win number receiver.

When f&w ask for your license to fish, a swipe of your win tells f&w that yiu can fish that day or a number of days you picked. If you have infractions, the daily sign on method would have disallowed you to fish.

If you fished 10 times over the year, then the next year your flat rate of $26.00 wiuld be the same but if you fished 100 times -or over the flat rate max- you would have to pay .50 ¢ per outing the next time you get a license. This would generate more towards f&w and curb poaching a bit.
Wait! There's more,,,, seniors and kids would have to get licences too for $5.00,, yup,, geezers and kids,, or a family license,,, this way kids dont get to be the poachers excuse for barbs and bait and lack of knowledge.

I've become bitter as of late,,, long story best saved for another day.

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Old 11-03-2012, 09:21 PM
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Brilliant.... Now i have to drive 20 min out of my way and pay more to go fishing...... Stop with the good ideas!!! I cant afford it! Fine, confiscate gear, shoot the poachers, no problem, why is the first reaction of our society to punish the law abiding citizens?????????

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Old 11-03-2012, 09:27 PM
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I think that should also include:

If you don't catch any fish that day, you drive the extra 20 mins again, swipe your card and get a rebate.
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Old 11-03-2012, 09:34 PM
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I think that should also include:

If you don't catch any fish that day, you drive the extra 20 mins again, swipe your card and get a rebate.
That is good and as ludicrous as my idea.

I will explain later on my reasons for making pay as you go fishing, actually it has more to do with family fishing.

It would be awesome to see poachers making the front page or the nightly news.

Shame is a greater deterrant than money imo,, but $1000 per bull trout is great too!
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Old 11-03-2012, 09:49 PM
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What a POS...
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Old 11-03-2012, 11:49 PM
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That is good and as ludicrous as my idea.

I will explain later on my reasons for making pay as you go fishing, actually it has more to do with family fishing.

It would be awesome to see poachers making the front page or the nightly news.

Shame is a greater deterrant than money imo,, but $1000 per bull trout is great too!
sooooooooooo ...... you really think a poacher is going to swipe his card and, when rejected, turn around and go home? do you think most fisherman are going to like to go find a place to swipe their WIN card? Sounds like a fantastic idea to me.
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Old 11-04-2012, 10:09 PM
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Figured this would be a good spot for an idea I have,,, let's say we create a pay as you go fishing license as do you really think this poacher will stop poaching?

Here's my idea,,, everybody buys a flat rate fishing license the regular way, and everytime you head out you stop by a roadway or gas station setup with a win number receiver.

When f&w ask for your license to fish, a swipe of your win tells f&w that yiu can fish that day or a number of days you picked. If you have infractions, the daily sign on method would have disallowed you to fish.

If you fished 10 times over the year, then the next year your flat rate of $26.00 wiuld be the same but if you fished 100 times -or over the flat rate max- you would have to pay .50 ¢ per outing the next time you get a license. This would generate more towards f&w and curb poaching a bit.
Wait! There's more,,,, seniors and kids would have to get licences too for $5.00,, yup,, geezers and kids,, or a family license,,, this way kids dont get to be the poachers excuse for barbs and bait and lack of knowledge.

I've become bitter as of late,,, long story best saved for another day.

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This won't curb poaching - its only going to be a PITA for law biding citizens. Poachers poach because they don't care about the law; adding another law will do nothing to stop them.
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Old 11-04-2012, 11:08 PM
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When did a guy poaching fish turn into the law abiding citizens paying even more money, are you sure you people don't work for the government?
How is me paying an extra 50 cents Gona stop a poacher?
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Old 11-05-2012, 12:13 AM
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Figured this would be a good spot for an idea I have,,, let's say we create a pay as you go fishing license as do you really think this poacher will stop poaching?

Here's my idea,,, everybody buys a flat rate fishing license the regular way, and everytime you head out you stop by a roadway or gas station setup with a win number receiver.

When f&w ask for your license to fish, a swipe of your win tells f&w that yiu can fish that day or a number of days you picked. If you have infractions, the daily sign on method would have disallowed you to fish.

If you fished 10 times over the year, then the next year your flat rate of $26.00 wiuld be the same but if you fished 100 times -or over the flat rate max- you would have to pay .50 ¢ per outing the next time you get a license. This would generate more towards f&w and curb poaching a bit.
Wait! There's more,,,, seniors and kids would have to get licences too for $5.00,, yup,, geezers and kids,, or a family license,,, this way kids dont get to be the poachers excuse for barbs and bait and lack of knowledge.

I've become bitter as of late,,, long story best saved for another day.

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This litterally makes no sense and it would cost millions to install swipe card machines across the province. Let alone the costs to enforce it. And what if i go fishing at 5am and the gas station isnt open till 10 on sunday?
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Old 11-05-2012, 08:26 AM
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I suspect that the web site may poke up what most of us think. There is about "0" enforcement out there. Would be a sorrowful experience to have month after month w/o any updates as no new court cases exist.

It's not quite 0 enforcement, in my 10 years of fishing alberta I have been stopped twice by a CO. Once on the crowsnest (last year) and once on gull lake (several years ago). I havn't done the math on what the ratio of days fished to those 2 instances that I was checked but I would say it's probably about .001% enforcement!

It is good to know that someone is being punished though!
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Old 11-05-2012, 10:14 AM
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It's not quite 0 enforcement, in my 10 years of fishing alberta I have been stopped twice by a CO. Once on the crowsnest (last year) and once on gull lake (several years ago). I havn't done the math on what the ratio of days fished to those 2 instances that I was checked but I would say it's probably about .001% enforcement!

It is good to know that someone is being punished though!
I'll do my math for you.

Fishing since I was 10...

Average of 25 times on water and 10 times ice fishing per year (conservative)
Number of times I have been checked. 0

I'm now 29 so I have fished 665 consecutive times without being stopped. My ratio is 0%

Pleasure craft operator. - I recieved mine at 15. I boat on average 30 days per year. 14 x 30 = 420 consecutive outages without having to produce a boating licence. My ratio on this is also 0%

On that note however I have called RAP 2 times in the last 5 years. Each incident the suspected was visited by an officer.

Conclusion:
Honest law abiding fisherman - 0 enforcement checks
suspected law breakers - 100%
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Old 11-05-2012, 08:32 PM
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I would be happy to pay an extra $10-$20 per licence just to see more CO's out there.

Unfortunately, I've been only been approached 5-6 times in the last 20 years, worse yet on at least one occasions, it was not a pleasant experience. Take the one "drunken with power guy" experience away, and I'd be more than happy to have a CO at my boat every second outing.

I think these guys have a tough job with all the criminals out there and simply not enough resources and manpower.

Only one way to fix that - generate (or allocate) more funds to enforcement.
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Old 11-06-2012, 07:05 AM
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At the lakes I frequent, I get checked by F&W about once every 3 to 4 outings in the winter months and about once every 6 outings in the summer months. 20 years ago I would get checked every 2nd outing summer or winter. There needs to be more F&W officers out there. They need more funds. The Provincial Gov should step up to the plate and provide them with the funds at no charge to the fisherman and fisherwoman. Suck it up Gov and lose some of those costly perks you all get and protect our fishery. Maybe the licence fees should go up a little but its almost too high now. Maybe close 1/2 the lakes to fishing thus more F&W to visit the fishable lakes. Would obvious if a boat or truck was on the lake as to what they are doing with a drive by, by F&W, then they could nail those poachers on those closed lakes. Leaving more time and oficers to vist and check all on the open lakes. Also it may provide a better fishery if 1/2 lakes were closed for a couple years.
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Old 11-06-2012, 02:01 PM
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The punishment fits the crime and I think it is fair. The best way to deter poaching is to report them. This is a perfect example of how the system works. We all have cell phones with cameras nowadays. We as responsible anglers can do more to curb the issue than any government program by simply getting involved. I do not condone approaching the individual directly, but you can do a lot by walking away and making a call.

I certainly hope those of you suggesting a death sentence for catching 6 bulls is sarcasm because that type of attitude is not helping your cause, it is hurting it.
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Old 11-06-2012, 07:29 PM
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I hope they start to really nail poachers to the wall it will at least curb the people that are not entirely losers!!
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Old 11-07-2012, 03:06 PM
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This chaps my ass x10! I fish those waters on a regular basis and the only time i've ever seen enforcement is at the one boat launch at saunders. They were handing out tickets to guys for open beer. Poachers beware. River boat gamblin will lookin for ya! We throw back if a rocky is even close to borderline let alone a banned fish.
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Old 11-07-2012, 03:15 PM
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one more thing. I agree with ezm. Albertans need to start paying an ACCESS fee to public lands. People are willing to drop 100 bucks a year to go into the national parks, why not provincial lands. We payed 60 bucks for a blm pass in California (yearly)when we went down to the dunes. It went on the dash of my truck. it's simple and pays for a heck of alot of enforcement.If you want to park on public lands and use public recreation areas, pay the fee. Hell, you could add it to your vehicle registration you pay yearly.
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Old 11-06-2012, 06:21 PM
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Figured this would be a good spot for an idea I have,,, let's say we create a pay as you go fishing license as do you really think this poacher will stop poaching?

Here's my idea,,, everybody buys a flat rate fishing license the regular way, and everytime you head out you stop by a roadway or gas station setup with a win number receiver.

Your thoughts?
This will be my first posting... but... hell I wanna know who is going to man that swiping station when I am getting on hard water at 5:00 AM ...
I think this idea is an epic PITA.
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Sorry man... but really glad you aren't in charge :-)
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Old 11-06-2012, 07:23 PM
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This will be my first posting... but... hell I wanna know who is going to man that swiping station when I am getting on hard water at 5:00 AM ...
I think this idea is an epic PITA.
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Sorry man... but really glad you aren't in charge :-)
Tiz fine,,, I was just trying to figure out more revenue to get more officers,, just idras but here's one; if you have an infraction like a $6000 one, do they take your license away? Or are you allowed to keep it?
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Figured this would be a good spot for an idea I have,,, let's say we create a pay as you go fishing license as do you really think this poacher will stop poaching?

Here's my idea,,, everybody buys a flat rate fishing license the regular way, and everytime you head out you stop by a roadway or gas station setup with a win number receiver.

When f&w ask for your license to fish, a swipe of your win tells f&w that yiu can fish that day or a number of days you picked. If you have infractions, the daily sign on method would have disallowed you to fish.

If you fished 10 times over the year, then the next year your flat rate of $26.00 wiuld be the same but if you fished 100 times -or over the flat rate max- you would have to pay .50 ¢ per outing the next time you get a license. This would generate more towards f&w and curb poaching a bit.
Wait! There's more,,,, seniors and kids would have to get licences too for $5.00,, yup,, geezers and kids,, or a family license,,, this way kids dont get to be the poachers excuse for barbs and bait and lack of knowledge.

I've become bitter as of late,,, long story best saved for another day.

Your thoughts?
Why not create a registry for fishing rods? brilliant, only put the cost on the baby boomers, awesome, really shouldn't give our betters any ideas though.
I don't pay enough taxes anyway, people need my money more than I do.
Glad FW caught him. fine should be larger.
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Old 11-13-2012, 04:53 PM
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I don't think the ideas terrible at all.... Works all across the states. You wanna boondock ect. you should have a pass. Pretty simple
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Rocky Mountain House newspaper the Mountaineer of October 30, 2012 reported that Ron
Allan of Edmonton was fined $6,000 for illegally catching six bull trout and keeping them while fishing with bait, 3 rods and barbed hooks on the North Saskatchewan River. The poaching incident happened August 5 and the bust was the result of a call to Report a Poacher. The Crown dropped eight more charges. He also lost his gear and got a license suspension for a year.

Thought that some of you might be interested.

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Discusting, why let him off on 8 charges? Nail him to the fence post with a sign saying Poachers beware.
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I think this sentence is fair and sends a message to other would be Poachers.

6 Grand is a good chunk of change. I doubt he will be keeping any Bulls when he gets his fishing priviledges back. Any other Bull Keepers reading this story will be thinking twice about doing it again.

The other charges were likely dropped in order to get the conviction that they did get.
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I think this sentence is fair and sends a message to other would be Poachers.

6 Grand is a good chunk of change. I doubt he will be keeping any Bulls when he gets his fishing priviledges back. Any other Bull Keepers reading this story will be thinking twice about doing it again.

The other charges were likely dropped in order to get the conviction that they did get.
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I think that if 6k wont make him change his ways really there is just one other option...... Hopefully he and others who have done this will see or hear about this and think twice next time.
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Old 11-06-2012, 06:26 PM
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Second Post for me..:-)
Anyways... If they want to deter poachers, then stop watering down the punishment, Should not have dropped other chargers and.. They have the ability to take anything that was used to perpetrate the crime.. that includes the guy's vehicle... Sell the vehicle.. donate the funds to more lake stockings and open up some damned Walleye limits.
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