What 30-06 ammo for bear encounters - Page 2

Cowtown guy · #31 02-03-2015, 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by chuck

Wounding a bear with buck shot at close range is not the greatest idea out there. That is what I have in mind.

OK

Cowtown guy · #32 02-03-2015, 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by edmhunter

Question for those of us that carry defenders while bow hunting : Which is your round of choice 3" mag slugs or 00 buckshot? Just curious. Thanks

I've never been a fan of buckshot. Slugs would be my go to.
When you are bow hunting how do you pack your defender?

edmhunter · #33 02-03-2015, 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Cowtown guy

I've never been a fan of buckshot. Slugs would be my go to.
When you are bow hunting how do you pack your defender?

I have a special holster then sits in the middle of back along my spine, don't even feel it really, but I can have it off my back and aim and pumped and ready to shoot in about 1 and 1/2 seconds, timed.

I load it with 1 00 buckshot as the last round the other 3 are 3" magnum Federal Express Hi Shock Slugs.

The shotgun is a mossy 88 short barrel, no hand grip a real stock.

Her name is Woo means Woo lol

Pathfinder76 · #34 02-03-2015, 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Cowtown guy

I've never been a fan of buckshot. Slugs would be my go to.
When you are bow hunting how do you pack your defender?

If you aren't a fan of buckshot then why are you recommending it?

Talking moose · #35 02-03-2015, 04:38 PM

Imagine that..... The government wants people packing spray around the bush instead of firearms.....I'm shocked!

edmhunter · #36 02-03-2015, 04:44 PM

Ya I thought about that so I went out and bought a bottle of Franks Red Hot Sauce, but that s---t really doesn't work on everything! hehe

Cowtown guy · #37 02-03-2015, 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by chuck

If you aren't a fan of buckshot then why are you recommending it?

If you can show me where I recommended buck shot I will try and figure out why the hell I recommended it.

I said shot gun. Not buck shot.

rugatika · #38 02-03-2015, 05:41 PM

IF I was being charged, I think I would prefer a gun. The bigger the better, you'll probably only get one shot anyway.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0tbSuGINWic

edmhunter · #39 02-03-2015, 05:44 PM

That's why I posed the question, If you only get one chance before an animal rips you apart and eats you maybe 00 buckshot is the better option. In any case hope it never happens to me!

rugatika · #40 02-03-2015, 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by edmhunter

That's why I posed the question, If you only get one chance before an animal rips you apart and eats you maybe 00 buckshot is the better option. In any case hope it never happens to me!

I've never shot anything other than paper with buckshot, but my concern would be penetration. And why I think a well constructed heavy for caliber bullet would be better than a slug. I'm not a pro though. SO...grain of salt etc etc etc.

sikwhiskey · #41 02-03-2015, 05:52 PM

A heavy, well constructed bullet. 200-220 grain. In a pump action with a tube feed mag I would pick a round nose 200-220.

nelsonob1 · #42 02-03-2015, 05:57 PM

Trying to kill a aggressive grizzly with a shotty will be one a helluva experience. Truly up close and personal. Slugs are hard to aim far, 00 buckshot ineffective at distance. Its going to be blood, guts and a lot of screaming - hopefully not yours.

Give me a big bore rifle, or a guide lever over a shot gun any day. Its going to do most of what a slug will do at short ranges and help a lot more at longer distance.

Better still. if you are big game hunting in an active grizzly area then hunt with a dangerous game set up.

edmhunter · #43 02-03-2015, 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by rugatika

I've never shot anything other than paper with buckshot, but my concern would be penetration. And why I think a well constructed heavy for caliber bullet would be better than a slug. I'm not a pro though. SO...grain of salt etc etc etc.

I am going to stick with my 3" mag slugs and last shot being 00 Buckshot! Thanks Rugs!

rugatika · #44 02-03-2015, 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by edmhunter

I am going to stick with my 3" mag slugs and last shot being 00 Buckshot! Thanks Rugs!

Truth be told that's exactly what I carry when I'm in bear country...Remington 870 or my bps stainless loaded with slugs. (2-3/4" slugs)

Few years ago we spent a fair bit of time and slugs practicing shooting dirt lumps off the top of a stick with them, without hitting the stick. Sometimes it's good to be 12 again.

And that's despite having a Remington 7600 carbine in 30.06. One of these days I'll track down some 220gr loads for it and see how it does.

Pathfinder76 · #45 02-03-2015, 09:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Cowtown guy

If you can show me where I recommended buck shot I will try and figure out why the hell I recommended it.

I said shot gun. Not buck shot.

I'm an idiot. I took "spray" and "shotgun" to be referring to buckshot. My bad. I'll try and pay more attention next time.

Grizzly Adams · #46 02-03-2015, 09:40 PM

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Originally Posted by nelsonob1

Trying to kill a aggressive grizzly with a shotty will be one a helluva experience. Truly up close and personal. Slugs are hard to aim far, 00 buckshot ineffective at distance. Its going to be blood, guts and a lot of screaming - hopefully not yours.

Give me a big bore rifle, or a guide lever over a shot gun any day. Its going to do most of what a slug will do at short ranges and help a lot more at longer distance.

Better still. if you are big game hunting in an active grizzly area then hunt with a dangerous game set up.

Never used to, while Big Game hunting, but now there are times I carry one up the spout.

Grizz

fordtruckin · #47 02-03-2015, 10:10 PM

Nothing but API! lol

Cowtown guy · #48 02-03-2015, 10:42 PM

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Originally Posted by chuck

I'm an idiot. I took "spray" and "shotgun" to be referring to buckshot. My bad. I'll try and pay more attention next time.

I was wondering about that No problem Chuck. Get on that M70 write up now eh? Lol

grinr · #49 02-04-2015, 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by sikwhiskey

A heavy, well constructed bullet. 200-220 grain. In a pump action with a tube feed mag I would pick a round nose 200-220.

220gr is the obvious choice for a dedicated griz defence 30-06...bigger the better.That said,Rem 7600 30-06 has been my go-to weapon of choice/meatslayer for over 30 years now.In spite of my confidence and familiarity with this rifle,and close to 100 " big game" kills to it's credit(admittedly mostly deer,but also several moose,elk,and black bears)it would still not be my choice for a dedicated griz defender,if only because it's not as compact as I'd prefer in a bear defence carry.(ie;bowhunting/fishing/camping).Give me a compact 12ga pump with slugs,or in a "full size" rifle I'd take a .45-70 carbine.Ideally,I'd love to see Rossi,Henry,Chiappa or whomever offer MaresLegs/Ranch Hands etc in "real" rifle chambering,ie;45/70 or similar....or in lieu of that,sensible CDN gun laws that wouldn't make it illegal to chop down a .45/70 to Ranch Hand proportions.
Oh,and fwiw,7600 is NOT tube fed,it's a 4rd DM.

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Originally Posted by Talking moose

Imagine that..... The government wants people packing spray around the bush instead of firearms.....I'm shocked!

No chit!!
Take these so called "pepper spray vs. bullets" studies with a grain....er,make that a big lump of salt.Where do they even find poll respondents....from a pool of "reported" bear encounters.I think it's safe to say that there have been many,many bear encounters in Alberta alone that ended favourably with firearms,and you will NEVER read about them in any newspaper nor have those results reflected in bear spray biased polls.

58thecat · #50 02-04-2015, 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Talking moose

Wonder what Alaskan guides use and prefer to stop charging grizz......

a slow client!

edmhunter · #51 02-04-2015, 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by 58thecat

a slow client!

CritterCommander · #52 02-04-2015, 10:24 AM

Bear spray is 100% effective. Spray the guy you're with and off you go!!

Seriously the effective range of bear spray IF the wind is exactly in your favour is about 20 feet. And once it's gone it's gone. We used to pack defender shot guns loaded exactly per Edmhunter and Rugatika, 3 slugs and a buck shot for the finale. Never had to use it on a bear but we blew off lots of ammo for fun. Knocked down many a 12" tree.

A 30-06 would work as well and maybe even better because you could start shooting a LOT earlier in the game, load em heavy. And with defender or 06 both are reloadable so have to give the nod to a firearm.

wwbirds · #53 02-04-2015, 01:39 PM

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blew off lots of ammo for fun. Knocked down many a 12" tree.

and we certainly want to encourage everyone to do this

Talking moose · #54 02-04-2015, 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by wwbirds

and we certainly want to encourage everyone to do this

If I have a dead(or alive) tree on my property I would be frowned upon? By who?

fish_e_o · #55 02-04-2015, 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Talking moose

If I have a dead(or alive) tree on my property I would be frowned upon? By who?

me...

a true hipster would do it with an axe.

but seriously i'm going to listen to someone for a total of a 1/4 second if they try to tell me what to do on my own land

CritterCommander · #56 02-04-2015, 02:57 PM

You supposed to pack a steel post into the bush to tie your target to?

Sheesh. What a crock.

edmhunter · #57 02-04-2015, 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by CritterCommander

You supposed to pack a steel post into the bush to tie your target to?

Sheesh. What a crock.

no kidding!

fish_e_o · #58 02-04-2015, 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by CritterCommander

You supposed to pack a steel post into the bush to tie your target to?

Sheesh. What a crock.

as i recall its a good fine for doing that on crown land

unless you get one of these

http://esrd.alberta.ca/forms-maps-se...s/default.aspx

twofifty · #59 02-04-2015, 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by edmhunter

I have a special holster then sits in the middle of back along my spine, don't even feel it really, but I can have it off my back and aim and pumped and ready to shoot in about 1 and 1/2 seconds, timed.

I load it with 1 00 buckshot as the last round the other 3 are 3" magnum Federal Express Hi Shock Slugs.

The shotgun is a mossy 88 short barrel, no hand grip a real stock.

Her name is Woo means Woo lol

You are the first who mentions actually doing some type of training with the bear defence method that you rely on.

Edmhunter, does your training include actually firing the shotgun (kudos on having a real stock btw) into a target (mobile or fixed) and does it involve you firing while on the move, say sidestepping or backpedalling?

I realize none of the above is like the real thing, but at least it teaches a guy to draw and quickly acquire a sight picture and to fire at that very instant.

Plus there's the benefit of having drawn and shot at a moving target (like an IPSC swinger or drop-turner) and/or having drawn and shot while on the move.

And while being clocked with a shot timer so you can measure how your performance improves through your training regime. And how it degrades when we don't maintain our training.

Good on ya.

wwbirds · #60 02-04-2015, 03:48 PM

you can do whatever you want on your own property. I guess I assumed he was cutting down trees on crown land and if that was not the case I am a big bad wolfie.

Just struck too close to home that a couple guys got bored out here hunting gophers and decided to chop one of my fence posts down with a shotgun and slugs to see it they could do it for "fun".
I dont see the point but if it is your property have at it.